More Than 1,000 Dead Birds Fall From Arkansas Sky

[waltzingmatilda]

This is what I am afraid of too IWK. It just makes the most sense to me. This recent phenomena isn't occuring without a reason.....cause and effect. WE know the effect already. The cause being corexit picked up from the waters into the clouds of moving weather systems is the only sense I can make of it with the deaths being so wide spread. Plus, the US has had strange weather patterns this year.

I am very concerned about our wildlife/fish and am now doubly concerned with the cow deaths. Cows are large animals and if they died from drinking water or eating grass after a rain then imagine the effect it could have on other mammals. We humans don't drink from a trough or eat grass in a pasture but we do eat crops grown on the land which is dependent on the rains to grow.

Gosh, that thought makes me want to plant a small garden inside my condo!

Have the weather patterns been checked for the area where the cows died for the week prior to their deaths? If not, I can try and help research it.

wm

 

[drip~drop]

Don't forget the emu.

Never!

 

[Reannan]

Just throwing this in to the mix.... and a glass of the best Pinot Grigio ever to the person who finds something that details what the "major milestone" was. Every article I find is frustratingly vague! Oh, and this new weapons system relies on magnetic forces from some of my reading. :shush:

"The Navy has passed a major milestone in its quest to build an incredibly powerful new anti-aircraft gun. Scientists with the Navy's Office of Naval Research have demonstrated a prototype system capable of producing from thin air the electrons needed to generate ultrapowerful, "megawatt-class" laser beams for the agency's next-generation system."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...ough-revolutionize-naval-power/#ixzz1BdI4qXDA
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[drip~drop]

Just throwing this in to the mix.... and a glass of the best Pinot Grigio ever to the person who finds something that details what the "major milestone" was. Every article I find is frustratingly vague! Oh, and this new weapons system relies on magnetic forces from some of my reading. :shush:

"The Navy has passed a major milestone in its quest to build an incredibly powerful new anti-aircraft gun. Scientists with the Navy's Office of Naval Research have demonstrated a prototype system capable of producing from thin air the electrons needed to generate ultrapowerful, "megawatt-class" laser beams for the agency's next-generation system."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011...ough-revolutionize-naval-power/#ixzz1BdI4qXDA
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If it was one incident with just the birds, I may say "yeah, the Navy or AirForce or whatever was experminting with a whatever. BUT, this is happening far and wide.


Oh, I'll take that glass of pinot later, just because.

excuse my spelling, I'm fairly well medicated right now.

 

[Reality Orlando]

Hundreds of Yankton, South Dakota birds poisoned by USDA..I find this disgraceful.

http://www.ktiv.com/Global/story.asp?S=13865540

 

[IWannaKnow]

Here is another set of purposely poisoned starlings, Colorado this time:

http://www.kktv.com/news/headlines/Solved_Dead_Birds_Mystery_In_Dacono_114319109.html
Solved: Dead Birds Mystery In Dacono
Posted: 5:53 PM Jan 20, 2011
Reporter: CBS4 Denver

“We did an application of pesticides to control starlings in that area,” explained Michael Yeary, State Director of Wildlife Services for APHIS, the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

Yeary said his crew responded to a complaint from a dairy some four to five miles from the car dealership.

Apparently a flock of starling, estimated at 3,000 birds, was consuming feed at the dairy and contaminating the area with droppings.

“This is rather common actually,” said Colorado Division of Wildlife spokeswoman Jennifer Churchill.

Well, it pi$$es me off! Killing huge numbers of animals because they are eating the feed from an operation that should be outlawed in the first place! They are killing US with those damn feedlots, not to mention the completely inhumane treatment of the poor cattle and now we find the starlings are suffering because of this crap too! If nothing else comes from these die-offs other than wider knowledge of these planned poisonings, I will consider that a small victory. Especially if the populace puts pressure on the USDA to stop this practice!!!!!!!

Sorry for the rant....:rant:

I plan to start a calander today, where I can track the specific events and associated weather patterns. Hopefully that combined with a map will make some sense of this. It is going to take me awhile. Anyone who can supply links would be greatly appreciated (thanks for the offer wm!), especially the weather. I found I had a very hard time finding that data....

 

[IWannaKnow]

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

http://www.wctrib.com/event/article/id/77432/group/homepage/
Published January 19 2011
Dead birds in South Dakota city likely ate poison
Officials said a bird poison used at a feedlot apparently caused a die-off of birds at Yankton.
By: AP wire report, West Central Tribune, Associated Press

Officials said a bird poison used at a feedlot apparently caused a die-off of birds at Yankton.


Yankton Animal Control Officer Lisa Brasel said DRC 1339, a bird poison used by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, was the likely cause of death for more than 300 starlings found in the downtown area.


Brasel said a USDA official contacted her after seeing new reports about the dead birds.


In an interview with the Press & Dakotan newspaper, wildlife biologist Ricky Woods confirmed that the poison was used by the USDA at a feedlot about 10 miles south of Yankton. He said birds usually die before getting so far from the poison.

The bottom of that article says the info came from the Yankton Press. I looked for an article that confirms this information, couldn't find one. This was the original, I think I posted it on the previous page:
http://www.yankton.net/articles/2011/01/20/community/doc4d36568a9e0bf182406588.txt

I would like to see confirmation that the USDA called her again after seeing other reports of more dead birds......could be shoddy reporting, but it is hard to say.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Good morning all!

OK I don't have a link because I heard this on the morning news on WECT.com and they are lame about posting am stories on their site IMO.

Bob Townsend, one of the am anchors gave an update on the pelican task force. He stated the task force is conflicted about the deaths because a few of the birds had been shot. They are also considering the deaths could be attributed to injuries from large sea animals.

One thing he stated alarmed me as I had never heard this stated before.

He said the pelican deaths have occured at Topsail Bch, Wrightsville Bch, Oak Island and one other place I cannot remember, but I think it was Beaufort or Morehead City, not sure though. This is the first I have heard about these other locations. I live on an Isand between WB and OI and in an earlier post I mentioned seeing a few dead pelicans here a few months ago.

Like I said before I have lived here 24 years and never seen a dead pelican in the canal or on the beach so to see two in one week is unusual. I WILL be calling the division of fish and wildlife if I see any more and I'll also take pics.

Sorry about no link. I checked the site that Reannan kindly linked for an update there, but couldn't find one. I'll post as soon as I find something.

MOO

wm

 

[orb4me]

Stephen Kings Dome came down, only this time, not just a town but the whole world. The birds (Alfred Hichcock would have loved this) ran into the dome as it came down. The Dome people sucked all the 02 out of the water. They are coming for us next. OR....... the corexit is now making its way around the world, in our underground water system. Birds, cows, etc drink that water.
When they started spraying Corexit, you could see the spray in the air. This past Oct my daughter came to visit and we went to Panama City Beach, finally decided to try the water. It felt slimmy, we got out and noticed YIEKS, all the suntan oil we had on as well as natural body oil on our arms and legs was gone. You could see the water pouring out of our swim suits and running down our legs. No bubbly look like you normally get when you get out of the water. My skin is still too dry, Ive never dealt with dry skin like this.
From my shoulder blades up, the skin is fine.

JMO, by now the corexit has made its way up into the iceburgs. There the iceburgs are fresh water, and the salt falls out of the bottom back into the water that then comes back around. (sorta) I forget the orginial ppm of Coexit but its very toxic, banned in England (Ithink) so at 2.61 would mean that for every million drops of water there is 2.61 drops of Coexit. In southern Fl, there is a huge amount of oil that is laying in a deep trench. Its on the bottom, telling me the Coexit pushed/holding it down.

I saw maybe 10 birds flying across I-10 this past Sat, Looked really disoriented. How many more birds, mammals, fish has died and we dont know it? Why are we taking these animals to different labs all over the place? Are they properly wrapped, etc to make sure nothing is coming from them? How do they know blunt force hit the birds before they hit the ground? Did they catch one in midair? sigh...................

 

[Reannan]

Here is a link to a boating forum message board and they are discussing the pelicans. This is a snippet from the first message on that board:

12/22/2010
"There have been huge number of pelicans floating to shore with their heads decapitated. The decapatations were not done by any predators because the wounds were to clean. Also there has been a crap load of pelicans floating up with broken limbs and etc but still alive. They have been floating up on the beach from Morehead City all the way down to Topsail and all the way down to my hometown of Oak island. "


http://www.thehulltruth.com/carolinas/322061-mhd-city-topsail-oak-island-pelican-deaths.html

 

[drip~drop]

Here is a link to a boating forum message board and they are discussing the pelicans. This is a snippet from the first message on that board:

12/22/2010
"There have been huge number of pelicans floating to shore with their heads decapitated. The decapatations were not done by any predators because the wounds were to clean. Also there has been a crap load of pelicans floating up with broken limbs and etc but still alive. They have been floating up on the beach from Morehead City all the way down to Topsail and all the way down to my hometown of Oak island. "


http://www.thehulltruth.com/carolinas/322061-mhd-city-topsail-oak-island-pelican-deaths.html

Heads cut off???

 

[waltzingmatilda]

Here is a link to a boating forum message board and they are discussing the pelicans. This is a snippet from the first message on that board:

12/22/2010
"There have been huge number of pelicans floating to shore with their heads decapitated. The decapatations were not done by any predators because the wounds were to clean. Also there has been a crap load of pelicans floating up with broken limbs and etc but still alive. They have been floating up on the beach from Morehead City all the way down to Topsail and all the way down to my hometown of Oak island. "


http://www.thehulltruth.com/carolinas/322061-mhd-city-topsail-oak-island-pelican-deaths.html

Reannan, You Rock! Thanks for the link. The comments were very interesting and a good read. These conflicting reports are the reason that I have been so confused about this.

I know many fishermen and have fished quite a bit myself. There is a mutual respect for these sea birds, kinda like, he's just trying to make a living like I am. The comments reflect the disgust the fishermen have for anyone who could be harming the birds. I do wonder if the few birds shot was to put the poor things out of their misery due to being tangled in nets or because they were visably ill.

Here are few of my observations from personal experience....

While fishing the gulf stream, 3hrs bumpy boat ride from my residence, I don't see many birds. Actually, I don't recall seeing any pelicans that far out, just gulls. If the birds were indeed shot this far out, I would think the carcasses would move with the gulfstream currents rather than washing onshore to the east.

I see shrimp boats with their nets in early morning while walking my dog on the beach. Pelicans and gulls flock behind the boats and escort the boats thru the inlet and into the marina around noon.

It would be difficult for no one on shore to hear gunshots from the shrimp boats at this close distance as sound really carries across water.

I just find it hard to grasp that the Pelican deaths occured at the hands of one human being. The nautical miles involved are too vast, IMO.

wm

 

[legalmania]

I'm not sure what you mean by human flu but I had something a few weeks ago that was bizarreo...imo
For 4 weeks...count 'em...4! I had no voice. I felt ok, a touch of fever here and there but no sick feeling. Thing is, I couldn't talk for weeks. At times, totally nothing and now and then I could whisper.
My Dr. and I both found it odd.
Now I have my voice back and hubby is thrilled.:floorlaugh:

By human flu I mean the Hong Kong flu, the Swine Flu, Bird Flu ect. I have not heard of any people getting anything like that yet. Has anyone? I think we're going to get something like you had drip ~drop but they won't call it a flu, they want to prove their H1 N1 shot is working. I've had a sore throat and feel like it might go to my chest but then it doesn't. It will be interesting to see what develops over the next few months. I hope everyone stays healthy for a change, this winter.


---------------- Now playing: James Brown - I Feel Good via FoxyTunes

 

[hockeymom]

By human flu I mean the Hong Kong flu, the Swine Flu, Bird Flu ect. I have not heard of any people getting anything like that yet. Has anyone? I think we're going to get something like you had drip ~drop but they won't call it a flu, they want to prove their H1 N1 shot is working. I've had a sore throat and feel like it might go to my chest but then it doesn't. It will be interesting to see what develops over the next few months. I hope everyone stays healthy for a change, this winter.


---------------- Now playing: James Brown - I Feel Good via FoxyTunes

My son's pediatrician told me that lots of kids are coming in that had the flu shot. Says it wasn't working this year.

 

[essies]

This probably belongs more in the old gulf oil spill thread-but since we have tied the gulf oil spill to the birds I'll post it here. This radio program is almost 2 hours long-but well worth the time invested!! He starts speaking of the birds at about 13 minutes and doesn't see the birds as a victim of the gulf oil spill and corexit since it was one species affected. However, the fish could be another story! IWK-I know you'll love digging into this since the implications for mankind and our future are HUGE!!
BP added more than Corexit to the "spill"-they added SYNTHETIC MICROBES (SYNTHIA)!!
BP Admits Using Synthetic Microbes in Gulf of Mexico 01 Dec, 2010
snip-
Mike Utsler, Chief Operating Officer of BP’s Gulf Coast Restoration, admits publicly “There is a new form of microbiology that is attacking this (oil) plume and using it as a food source”. This brief video snippet is taken from a Novermber 7, 2010 broadcast by BBC TWO entitled ‘Has the Oil Really Gone?’ by reporter Stephen Fry and can be seen in it’s entirety at http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00vy…

Notice how Utsler is cut off by his own people at BP immediately after stating this and the interview was abruptly ended
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuDO0l8K90I
[video=youtube;-UsaDZLdhu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UsaDZLdhu0[/video]
The Perfect Genetic Storm – Synthetic DNA and the Gulf Blue Plague
19 Jan, 2011
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THE PERFECT GENETIC STORM

In a Bridging The Gap radio interview with Dr. John Waterman on September 9, 2010, he stated,

“Microbes can morph, they can change. Viruses can turn into bacteria and bacteria can turn into fungi. In the Gulf we have bacteria that can morph. It can morph [mutate] because it’s attacked by a virus. The virus can change the genetics of the bacteria so that it morphs [mutates] into something very deadly.

Some of these changed bacteria can become deadly, Ebola deadly. When you have a morphed bacterium that gets airborne, now you’re going to see it go from person to person.

We’re on the verge of something that can become a deadly pandemic. They had to know that was the case. All it has to do is enter the human host… and once it gets started, it’s going to be impossible to stop.”

In October, 2010, I was contacted by Riki Ott, PhD who had written a book on the effects of the Exxon Valdez tanker spill in Alaska. Her Master’s Science degree is in marine biology with emphasis on the effects oil has on zooplankton. She had just read my It’s Not Wise To Fool Mother Nature article and wanted to talk. So far, she is the only U.S. based scientist who has agreed with me that there were genetically bio-engineered bacteria eating the oil in the Gulf.

In an article she published while in Ocean Springs, Mississippi, entitled Bio-Remediation or Bio-Hazard? Dispersants, Bacteria & Illness in the Gulf, she recounts how comments made by a local grandmother made her re-evaluate her thoughts on crude oil bio-remediation. That grandmother said she felt the oil-eating bacteria were “running amok and causing skin rashes”. Here’s part of what Dr. Ott wrote:

http://worldvisionportal.org/wordpress/


GULF BLUE PLAGUE: A LETHAL DOSE OF ARSENIC AND LIES (Part III)

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CONCLUSION

It doesn’t matter if these arsenic compounds came from chemical warfare canisters dumped into the Gulf 50+ years ago; from gigantic lakes of crude oil that exist in the Gulf depths; or from the current dispersant spraying from airplanes and boats. Most likely, all three are equal contributors. We know it’s in the water and it’s being sprayed at night along with the other unknown proprietary (corporate secret) ingredients in what they keep calling Corexit - that is, if it’s even anything that chemically resembles what we’ve been told is Corexit in the first place.

Regardless of where in the world you live, the Gulf Blue Plague will eventually affect you in one way or another.

Wherever the Gulf wind blows…

Wherever the Gulf water flows…

 

[legalmania]

My son's pediatrician told me that lots of kids are coming in that had the flu shot. Says it wasn't working this year.

IMO the flu shot never worked, I think they are placebos, and people think because they have a shot that it's suppose to stop all flu's. I just don't buy it.

 

[Nova]

IMO the flu shot never worked, I think they are placebos, and people think because they have a shot that it's suppose to stop all flu's. I just don't buy it.

How do you form an opinion like that?

My personal experience is that I used to get every flu that came through; I was teaching college freshmen who studied together, lived together and God-knows-what together, and they shared every flu with me.

Until I started getting flu shots. Haven't had the flu since.

Nonetheless, I know my individual experience doesn't prove the efficacy of the vaccines. So how do you decide they are mere placebos?

(ETA: I'm sure you know nobody ever claimed flu shots would prevent all flus. Every season they have to predict which strains will be a problem and add those to the vaccine. They can't possibly predict with 100% accuracy, which is why we still get outbreaks of H1N1, etc.)

 

[Reality Orlando]

Interesting Orlando Sentinel column today:

Gulf-spill media darlings aren't backing up claims

"...But a number of researchers working the spill — and I talk to lots of them — are beginning to wonder if these rebels with a cause have turned into renegades without the data to back it up. In other words, it's time to put up or shut up in the peer-reviewed journals, the battleground of choice for dueling scientists.

At stake are more than academic reputations. The outcome will influence the credibility of federal agencies and future decisions about where to allow drilling and how to respond to future spills...."

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/columnists/os-mike-thomas-bp-oil-spill-012311-20110122,0,59495.column

 

[legalmania]

How do you form an opinion like that?

My personal experience is that I used to get every flu that came through; I was teaching college freshmen who studied together, lived together and God-knows-what together, and they shared every flu with me.

Until I started getting flu shots. Haven't had the flu since.

Nonetheless, I know my individual experience doesn't prove the efficacy of the vaccines. So how do you decide they are mere placebos?

(ETA: I'm sure you know nobody ever claimed flu shots would prevent all flus. Every season they have to predict which strains will be a problem and add those to the vaccine. They can't possibly predict with 100% accuracy, which is why we still get outbreaks of H1N1, etc.)

It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pharmaceutical companies have been using placebos in their products for years.

http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all

 

[Nova]

It's not an opinion it's a fact. Pharmaceutical companies have been using placebos in their products for years.

http://www.wired.com/medtech/drugs/magazine/17-09/ff_placebo_effect?currentPage=all

It's a fact that placebos have been used in experimental settings for at least 100 years. They have to be used in order to create a control group against which the efficacy of the real drug can be compared.

And yes, scientists have long recognized a "placebo effect," in which patients taking placebos report some improvement. As a rule, however, the improvement reported falls far short of a cure.

There is no evidence and there is nothing in the source you provided that claims placebos have been used entirely instead of actual medicine.

(ETA an exception would be the Tuskegee Experiment, a particularly heinous chapter in American medicine in which African-Americans with syphilis were given nothing but placebos for years so doctors could track the long range progress of the STD. Even there however, the placebos were given to a relatively small control group, not the population (not even the black population) at large. Which in no way excuses the project, but it isn't evidence of planet-wide substitution of placebos for real medicine. If you think about it, it really isn't in Big Pharma's interest to do anything that might suggest widespread use of placebos would suffice.)

So I repeat: how do you form an opinion that flu shots--vaccines that have been around now for decades and in fact attract considerable publicity since they must be adjusted every year and their availability can vary widely--are all mere placebos. On what evidence do you base such an opinion?