Morgan to Depose George, Cindy & Lee

[jennyb]

lin, question: Can the A's continue to appeal and appeal and appeal???

 

[Amster]

To me it seems logical that a criminal case should always come before a civil case. Not that I see it happening here, but for arguments sake, what IF it should come out during the criminal trial that there actually is another ZFG and she did kidnap Caylee? In the meantime, ZFG has, potentially, been awarded damages when, in fact, Casey was only telling the truth.

Yeah, I know, but let's pretend.

In your dreams....

 

[reeseeva]

Why does this judge remind me of Lance Ito? Sweeps, ratings, mentioning his daughter is in the *biz*. Totally inappropriate.

ETA: I've decided to expect nothing reasonable from this judge in the future. Nada, zip, zero.

:clap::clap:

I felt the same way! Many of his replies were a bit cheeky, & inappropriate... Shades of Judge L Seidlin, Anna Nicole Smith case.

 

[jennyb]

:clap::clap:

I felt the same way! Many of his replies were a bit cheeky, & inappropriate... Shades of Judge L Seidlin, Anna Nicole Smith case.

Glad I didn't watch it. I would've bounced off the walls. Reading here is all I can take!

 

[Chilly Willy]

Why do I have the feeling that if this judge had ordered the depos to go ahead he'd be praised as a hero - Judge of the Year - instead of being compared to Ito or the CryBaby Judge?

 

[elementary]

Why does this judge remind me of Lance Ito? Sweeps, ratings, mentioning his daughter is in the *biz*. Totally inappropriate.

ETA: I've decided to expect nothing reasonable from this judge in the future. Nada, zip, zero.

Oh geez, I thought I was the lone wacko on this so I didn't mention it!

Did he actually mention rating and sweeps????

If true, then I was right that he is mindful of the media and public opinion and this is NOT a good sign. And he knows about sweeps and ratings, but not about the As' post-remains appearances?

I'm disappointed.

 

[fortytwo]

Yes because it's the A's out there making appearances. If the pool is being contaminated, it's by them and the people/state can't be punished for it. I expect that to be a key point in the argument against change of venue.

I agree with that, but the point I was trying for is that a well known and respected lawyer who is local to the area was completely unaware of events in his own back yard that were at least tangentially related to his case.

If he didn't know that the A's were riding the national media circus wagon, then it shouldn't be too hard to find twelve people out of a jury pool the size of Orlando's who know less about the case than they do about third order differentials.

 

[nancy botwin]

Why do I have the feeling that if this judge had ordered the depos to go ahead he be praised as a hero - Judge of the Year - instead of being compared to Ito or the CryBaby Judge?

lol-- I agree.
to quote Judge Larry "crybaby" Seidlin "when the whale rises, it gets harpooned."
:dance:

 

[jennyb]

Oh geez, I thought I was the lone wacko on this so I didn't mention it!

Did he actually mention rating and sweeps????

If true, then I was right that he is mindful of the media and public opinion and this is NOT a good sign. And he knows about sweeps and ratings, but not about the As' post-remains appearances?

I'm disappointed.

Hopefully since he's so media sensitive he'll be sure to hear an earful in the next few days. I think his *ratings* just took a nosedive

 

[nancy botwin]

Is there a link to the video of this hearing anywhere online??

 

[DianeB]

Why do I have the feeling that if this judge had ordered the depos to go ahead he be praised as a hero - Judge of the Year - instead of being compared to Ito or the CryBaby Judge?

Well yeah, he's being compared to indecisive judges because he was ...indecisive. And a little flip.

I wonder which judges he'd be compared to if he'd nixed the deposition completely. Sounds as if he's just waiting to rule on the media access.

I agree with you that Morgan did himself and his client no favors by telegraphing his intentions to invite the press and have a depo party. That seems to be the reason for the delay.

 

[elfie]

To me it seems logical that a criminal case should always come before a civil case. Not that I see it happening here, but for arguments sake, what IF it should come out during the criminal trial that there actually is another ZFG and she did kidnap Caylee? In the meantime, ZFG has, potentially, been awarded damages when, in fact, Casey was only telling the truth.

Yeah, I know, but let's pretend.

I think it's safe to assume by the time of the criminal trial (if no attempt to plea is made prior to) any misconceptions still lingering (? ) about a nanny will be completely dismissed. The grounds for the civil trial will have further dwindled.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I think it's safe to assume by the time of the trial (if no attempt to plea is made prior to) any misconceptions still lingering (? ) about a nanny will be completely dismissed. The grounds for the civil trial will have further dwindled.

I hadn't thought of that but you're absolutely right. If ZFG's name is totally cleared at or before the criminal trial there would be no need for a civil trial to 'officially' clear her name...which is all Morgan wants, right?

 

[lin]

Bold 1: Wow wow wow! That explains a lot! Glad to know the judge did not spontaneously volunteer that remark. Thanks!

Bold 2: So the judge moved mountains for the As, correct?

Bold 3: Heh. Achoo! Your reasoning about the judge's reasoning is convincing. Thanks! I'd rather think well of the decision than not.

Bold 4: Does this mean BC has run out of options? And that the judge absolutely must make a decision?

Bold 5: If the court learns that BC lied what happens to BC? Pardon me while I savour this event.

I think I have a better handle on how the court works now. I so appreciate the time you've taken to explain and surmise. It almost stopped the itching!

Thanks for numbering; so much easier and no excuse to miss anything. Pleadings are usually numbered too!

1. Glad to help.

2. I think the court feels mountains have been moved in this case. He could have issued a stay of the depo's pending a hearing on the emergency motion at some distant time, when there was a legit opening on his calendar. Completely within his discretion to do. Let's face it, this really wasn't an emergency. No one was going to be hurt; no one was absconding or dissipating assets. Judges get a really good feel for just how petty things are after they, hypothetically spend a morning in domestic violence court; then a divorce requesting a freeze of assets because one spouse is systematically transferring them out of the court's reach; then preside over a hearing with DCF about an abused child; and then a real emergency custody change due to a parent being in jail or on drugs; and then have to make an opening for the A's "emergency."

3. Thanks!

4. Nothing specific is likely to happen to BC. He can always plead ignorance. Were the A's at the hearing? I doubt it. But the judge will know and will not be amused and it does not bode well for this guy in this case and in the future if the court knows he's prone to lying. Courts have very broad discretion on many issues in a civil case.

Glad it eased the itching a bit. I've never stepped foot in a court in Orlando and don't know any more about this judge than anyone else here. But I'm giving you my honest read on the guy, subject to change without notice.

 

[jennyb]

Well yeah, he's being compared to indecisive judges because he was ...indecisive. And a little flip.

I wonder which judges he'd be compared to if he'd nixed the deposition completely. Sounds as if he's just waiting to rule on the media access.

I agree with you that Morgan did himself and his client no favors by telegraphing his intentions to invite the press and have a depo party. That seems to be the reason for the delay.

Diane, I was just looking for your earlier comment to quote because you said it so well. The judge showed little leadership, certainly wasn't a beacon of judicial decisiveness today. And I agree Morgan wasn't as prepared as he could've been but neither was BC, even though it was his *emergency hearing*. He came with nothing.

 

[elfie]

I hadn't thought of that but you're absolutely right. If ZFG's name is totally cleared at or before the criminal trial there would be no need for a civil trial to 'officially' clear her name...which is all Morgan wants, right?

That's my understanding.

 

[lin]

I'm wondering about the number of civil cases that have come before the outcome of the criminal case. (I know this part of the discussion much earlier).

I also think that may have been a tactical error on Morgan's part, Chilly.

Usually the outcome of the criminal case can be used as additional evidence in a civil case. I'd think a parallel case like this is not all that common.

Maybe error and maybe court would have ordered it all to go forward but for the media but on the other hand, media and Morgan may ultimately win this one. Hope they brief it well.

 

[GoneWithTheWind]

I think (key work THINK) Morgan said he would drop the suit if KC admitted publicly this was not his ZFG. Obviously, she can't do that so I might be wrong.

why can't she do that?

 

[lin]

To me it seems logical that a criminal case should always come before a civil case. Not that I see it happening here, but for arguments sake, what IF it should come out during the criminal trial that there actually is another ZFG and she did kidnap Caylee? In the meantime, ZFG has, potentially, been awarded damages when, in fact, Casey was only telling the truth.

Yeah, I know, but let's pretend.

You raise a good point but the same evidence can be used in this civil case to show a different ZFG using truth as an absolute defense. If they had such evidence, I'm sure that KM/JM would withdraw their complaint.

However, I'm becoming more and more convinced that the defense intends to keep the imaginanny in play. What else have they got?

 

[lin]

Yes, I think Morgan & Co. got their wake up call today and they will be PREPARED for any and all eventualities at the next hearing. (fingers crossed).

On 24 hours notice, I am very impressed with what they pulled out and keep in mind, I missed most of it. But yes, I am constrained to agree with you because it's part of TOS, I think, and they are going to be keeping very close tabs on these 'minor' players from here on out. I think the A's just bought themselves three weeks and a vengeance, if not a vendetta.