Mortal Evidence - Cyril Wecht

[helix]

I believe the white is her shirt...

 

[why_nutt]

Originally posted by tipper
So what is the white thing we are seeing since the blanket remained downstairs? There's a seam visible and it appears to be a loose garment of some kind. A turtleneck would cover her arm unless she was half out of it.

I think the white object is JonBenet's shirt, which was not a turtleneck but should have been over her arm nonetheless. Another shot from that same photo session is this:

http://members.aol.com/whynutt/jbronrug.jpg

You can see the shirt clearly, you can see a portion of the carpet in the upper left corner, and the ligature cord portion attached to the handle dangles off to the left.

It certainly is question-provoking as to why we can see JonBenet's arm and its lividity and blanched area. More intriguing is why her arm is not over her head as has been described.

Edited to add: You can also see the blue hair tie in the Wecht photo. It is much longer than I expected it to be and appears to be knotted into two loops. I wonder whether, as he preserved the knots on the ligature, Meyer also preserved the knot on the hair tie? It would not be enough to convict beyond a reasonable doubt, but I could see BPD holding close to their vests the knowledge that the knot in the hair tie was the same as any one of the knots on the ligature or wrist restraint, especially the similarly-double-looped knot of the wrist cord.

 

[helix]

Is it possible that we are looking at her back or side here?

 

[Jayelles]

You are right Helix - it's not her arm, it's her back. The shirt has ridden up exposing her back. So what could have caused the yellow/white marks in the lividity? Is that caused by her lying on something?

 

[why_nutt]

Originally posted by helix
Is it possible that we are looking at her back or side here?

Yes, absolutely. The Wecht photo is of JonBenet after her body has been rolled over onto her belly. The photo I linked to is the same thing, of JonBenet rolled over.

 

[why_nutt]

Originally posted by Jayelles
You are right Helix - it's not her arm, it's her back. The shirt has ridden up exposing her back. So what could have caused the yellow/white marks in the lividity? Is that caused by her lying on something?

The question stands as to why her left arm is not raised in the photo.

 

[helix]

I have seen other photos of her back, and the white marks. I assume they are from her lying on top of her "bunched up" shirt, and white blanket for such a long period of time.

 

[lannie]

Oh my, that picture really brings her death home, how could someone of done this?
That mark looks just like it could of been made by that pot holder loom , I remember steping on one when I was little & it jumped up & back just like a rake will if you step on it ,made that same kind of mark on the top of my foot & it hurt like crazy .We did make a lot of pot holders in my day , & rugs all from that tiny loom ,those metal teeth can really dig in to your skin .Please what do you think ,I would love to see those tiny ties in her hair ,I do know her room was scattered with loops from the loom .how sad something so simple that enables a little girl (I just can't call her that child )to fill a sence of acomplishment is part of this crime.

 

[ajt400]

Those pictures are so awful....it breaks my heart to see them. Poor little baby.

 

[Jayelles]

The picture that WN postd is the one that grips my stomach most. The swell of her little cheek reminds me of when I go in to kiss my own children at night.

 

[Eagle1]

Does that sore on her jaw look too big to be a cigarette burn? Could it be from a cigar? Looks like it was scabbed over before she was killed. Somebody was really sadistic. So much so that the parents may fear him?

Was it something that happened on the 23rd, reason she was so upset, crying, didn't feel pretty, and tried to call 911? And the parents didn't even pay any attention?

Editing to add that's a significant example of their letting intruders do whatever they wanted to the Ramsey children.
Why were they so desperate for overbearing friendships? Even Susan Stine made decisions for them, got rid of police, etc.

 

[tipper]

And nobody else at the party noticed it, and it didn't show up in any photographs, and nobody at the Whites saw it either.

 

[Maxi]

I have read of a similar mark from a partial hanging.

 

[Nehemiah]

What do you mean, Maxi?

Interesting that you would say "hanging" because John Walsh's words about "John cut her down" have always stuck in my mind.

 

[ajt400]

When did JR make the "cut her down" comment? I don't remember ever hearing that....

 

[tipper]

I think John Walsh made it on LKL

 

[ajt400]

And no investigator has seen the conflicting remarks? I clearly remember him saying he pulled the tape off her mouth and then carried her upstairs.....

 

[Nehemiah]

John Walsh, not John Ramsey, said that.

 

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Nehemiah
John Walsh, not John Ramsey, said that.

Yes it was John Walsh on LKL. I think Walsh is too busy with all the little details of his TV show to get all the little details of the case right.

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Maxi
Here's the url for Jayelles pic. I left it big so you could scroll around to see the detail.

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/maxiyorkie/jbrwechtbook.jpeg

MAXI: THANKS FOR THE PIC/URL...COMPELLING IMHO...