Moscow - 41 people have died in horrific Russian plane crash, 5 May 2019

[JanetElaine]

I thought the third photo Greg posted was strange. The one with the people walking away from the crash with stuff in their hands.

Terrible.

I immediately noticed that. You're not supposed to bring anything off the plane in an emergency evacuation. It looks like lighter items that they could have had in their hands already or stowed under the seat in front of them and easily grabbed, but it's still not allowed to carry anything off.

 

[Gardenista]

Andrew Roth‏ @Andrew__Roth
Seating chart from @kpru shows that all but one of the 41 passengers and crew who died during passenger jet fire were sitting behind row 10 and were likely trapped in the tail section of the plane... https://www.krsk.kp.ru/daily/26973.5/4031355/ …

6:48 AM - 6 May 2019

 

[MsFacetious]

I’m sorry @MsFacetious I was not suggesting you imagined or dreamt 13 people had died. I was following the Daily Mail, Daily Mirror and Airliners for news and originally they reported one air steward had died and then the death toll rose to 41. As I am in the U.K I was not following CBS news for crash information so did not see the 13 fatalities being reported as you did.

I did not think you were suggesting it greg, it's just happened to me before! I'll wake up utterly convinced that something occurred before I went to bed. When in reality it did not.

More than once it's been creepily similar to actual events that did take place. I saw this breaking story on CNN of 13 dead, in the middle of the night just before bed so I honestly did not know if it was a figment of my imagination or a completely different crash or what.

Discussing Khlebushkin, one online commenter said: 'He saved his backpack. And he is looking really great, knowing that everyone further back than the 11th row died.'

Another said: 'The first passengers tried to throw out their bags from the cabin and then to slide down. This is why there are delays.'

'That fat man from the video who was angry that he did not get a refund within 40 minutes – he surely took his bag from the overhead compartment despite all the other people,' said another.

But an unrepentant Khlebushkin demanded a refund for the flight - which never reached Murmansk - and said the airline 'consists of heartless and unprofessional people'.

Survivor of Moscow plane inferno is accused of 'blocking' escape | Daily Mail Online

This man is disgraceful.

UN-BE-LIEVABLE!

I am utterly astonished he made it out of the airport without getting knocked out. I would not have been able to restrain myself! The majority of the passengers on this flight died because a few were too self absorbed to just GET OFF THE PLANE.

This has happened before, we should KNOW these things by now. Yes, I understand shock and everything but fight or flight should take over. Not grab my stuff, fight with people and THEN flee the plane after most don't have time to get out. Unfortunately the passengers behind him likely couldn't do much. Plane aisles are just not big enough to knock someone down and escape.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

You are specifically told to leave your luggage. Monstrous

Also shoes, particularly heals as they can puncture the slide. These 2 points really needs to be reinforced more strongly when flying. IMO

 

[MsFacetious]

Seven bodies on the stricken Aeroflot fireball plane were today deemed too unrecognisable to identify.

The charred remains of six men and one woman are to be matched to the DNA of grieving relatives.

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Steward Maxim Moiseev (left and right) was the only crew member killed during the blaze while trying to save people from the rear of the aircraft.

The youngest fatality in the tragedy was Sofia Novikova (pictured left), 12, who died alongside her doctor father Evgeny Novikov. It was the second awful tragedy for the family in less seven months. In October 2018, Sofia’s cousin Alina Kerova (pictured together right) died aged 16 in the Kerch school massacre in Crimea when a pupil opened fire killing 21.

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He revealed sedatives were given to survivors in the aftermath of the crash.

Another survivor Dmitry Khlebnikov said: 'I thank God - and the stewardesses who saved me.'

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'It attempted an emergency landing but did not succeed the first time, and on the second time the landing gear hit (the ground), then the nose did, and it caught fire,' a source said.

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The plane had registration number RA-89098. Flightradar24 tracking service showed that it made two circles around Moscow and landed after about 45 minutes.

Survivor of Moscow plane inferno is accused of 'blocking' escape | Daily Mail Online

A couple of lines in here are still old and quote the 13 people dead. 41 out of 73. Nobody behind row 11. Man.

The circling may end up having caused these deaths. If it was like Swiss Air 111 where they should have landed faster. If the fire did start on landing, maybe not.

That combined with selfish people certainly sealed the fate of the 41 passengers and crew.

 

[gregjrichards]

Also shoes, particularly heals as they can puncture the slide. These 2 points really needs to be reinforced more strongly when flying. IMO

Are you allowed to hold on to your shoes going down the chute though? I would just be worried about being able to run from the airplane once off the cute in case it exploded.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

Are you allowed to hold on to your shoes going down the chute though? I would just be worried about being able to run from the airplane once off the cute in case it exploded.

There seems to be conflicting opinions on shoes and emergencies. This is from our Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

• remember to remove high heel shoes before evacuating via a slide.

Passenger clothing, health and behaviour

 

[PrairieWind]

My guess is that other than high heels, passengers should keep their shoes on. There is no time to take them off.

 

[Pi Thoughts]

As of Monday afternoon, more than 4,000 people had supported an online petition calling for Russia to stop flying Superjets following eight safety incidents in the past year.

But the transport minister, who heads the commission investigating the crash, said for now he didn't see any reason to stop Superjet flights. The emergencies ministry said it would not ground the plane, and Aeroflot has more Moscow-Murmansk flights scheduled later this week.
Moscow plane crash: hero steward died helping passengers escape as calls mount for Sukhoi Superjet 100 to be banned

 

[Snoods]

Look at this dude strolling away lugging at least two large bags on his right side and something slung over his left shoulder as well. Jackass. This is infuriating.

Meanwhile people seated behind him are screaming in terror and agony.

Passengers flee from burning plane

 

[MsFacetious]

My guess is that other than high heels, passengers should keep their shoes on. There is no time to take them off.

Yes, this would delay just like getting luggage. If you are wearing high heels you are not likely to want to run in those anyway. Last thing you need is to break an ankle trying to escape.

Though, I feel it's safe to say Greg wouldn't be wearing high heels. So I think we are good there.

 

[MsFacetious]

Look at this dude strolling away lugging at least two large bags on his right side and something slung over his left shoulder as well. Jackass. This is infuriating.

Meanwhile people seated behind him are screaming in terror and agony.

Passengers flee from burning plane

This is a DIFFERENT jackass than the one who had his backpack. Wow. I think I'd be committing suicide about now if I was either of them.

 

[Snoods]

This is a DIFFERENT jackass than the one who had his backpack. Wow. I think I'd be committing suicide about now if I was either of them.

He looks like he’s just worried about catching his connecting flight.

 

[jjenny]

As far as I can tell circling didn't cause the fire. The plane wasn't on fire after lighting strike. But because the plane just took off it was full of fuel. It landed really hard and bounced, and that's when it caught on fire.
Presumably it should have dumped fuel before landing.

 

[MsFacetious]

He looks like he’s just worried about catching his connecting flight.

Or getting a refund since he didn't reach his destination.
I hate humans.

 

[PrairieWind]

Or getting a refund since he didn't reach his destination.
I hate humans.

Don't hate all. There some people on that plane that did some pretty heroic things too.

 

[PrairieWind]

It will be interesting to see what the investigation finds in the end. Unfortunately Russia doesn't have a good track record for open disclosure of government investigations. So we may not get the full story. I really don't know anything about this type of aircraft.

 

[MsFacetious]

Don't hate all. There some people on that plane that did some pretty heroic things too.

I know, I just hate the majority of them. Much prefer animals.

 

[MsFacetious]

It will be interesting to see what the investigation finds in the end. Unfortunately Russia doesn't have a good track record for open disclosure of government investigations. So we may not get the full story. I really don't know anything about this type of aircraft.

It doesn't have a great track record.

Why Did The 737 MAX Get Grounded While The Reputationally Challenged Superjet 100 Keeps Flying?

The number operating today, which is hard to pin down because several carriers that own them are known to be quietly withholding them from service because of serious reliability problems and a lack of spare parts, has dwindled to somewhere around 100.


In addition to the significant problem with spare parts, the entire Superjet 100 fleet globally has been grounded temporarily a couple of times, including in 2017 and 2018 while engineers worked on a fix for design problems with the plane's horizontal stabilizer (the short "wing" on the plane's tail). The Superjet 100 also has a history of reliability problems with its French-Russian engines and with its mostly western-made avionics and electrical systems, which have never quite meshed well with the Russian design and mechanical systems used.

Actually, those issues have not surprised western aircraft experts. Sukhoi, well known for its top-nothing fighter jets, had no experience making commercial jetliners before the Superjet 100. And the company was rocked by Russian TV reports in 2007 that a large number of its unqualified engineers actually had paid large sums to obtain the fake engineering certificates that helped them land jobs at Sukhoi as the company was gearing up to design and build the Superjet 100.

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Put bluntly, the best Superjet 100 ever made, flying on its best day ever, is a vastly inferior aircraft when compared with the worst MAX plane ever built, flying on its worst day. So why the different responses?

 

[IceIce9]

Cargo compartments should lock in the case of an emergency landing. It has been suggested for years. This is not the first time passengers have died because of delays exiting during an emergency.

I travel for work and before every flight the announcement is made during the required safety demonstration: “In the unlikely event emergency evacuation is required, you must leave all personnel items and luggage on the plane.”

Because some people always consider themselves to be above the rules, cargo compartments should lock. Hopefully the video from this tragedy will be enough to get locking compartments made mandatory on all planes.