Mothers Who Kill Their Children

[Goody]

This is all pure speculation but IF Darlie suspected something between Dana and Darin that night and IF Darin was a cad, which I'm sure he could be at times, and IF he even possibly alluded to anything with Danathat night, then I could picture rage pouring out of every pore of Darlie's body and ultimately leading up to the horrors that happened. It would also explain Darin standing by her through thick and thin for so many years, given that he probably felt some level of guilt for goading her on that night. Again, that's just speculation. And one more thought... even if Dana was engaged, she was young enough to feel a certain level of admiration for Darin, who was perceived to be the family hero in that he brought enormous riches to the table through his business acumen. If he made any kind of pass at Dana, I can see her being young enough to feel very flattered by his attention. Nobody will ever know if that's what happened but it would explain a lot of things. It wouldn't justify them, but it would explain them.

Anything is possible, but I am still leaning toward money being the motive. It just seems the more I dig, the more I find that supports money being the core issue. How exactly it all links together to lead to the end result, I am not sure. There may have been a fight over Dana as well, but I can't find a place to really fit it in so that it plays a key role.

As for Darin feeling guilty and that is why he supports Darlie, I really doubt this. Call me a cynic, but I think if anything binds him to Darlie, it is real guilt and fear of what she might hold over his head. The same for her. I think they both have enough on each other to seal their fate. If it were only misplaced guilt causing Darin's actions, it would have worn off by now. One or the other of them would be talking. Since neither is, it tells me that they both hold some powerful information about the other. And that is what buys their silence.

Darlie can't talk right now, not until her appeals are up. When that happens, one or both of them will be talking if Darin is only guilty of a cover up or trying to protect her. If he has some real guilt in what happened, it will be Darlie talking. If she doesn't, I expect that he will be writing a tell-all book that puts all of the blame on her, released after her execution.

 

[beesy]

Anything is possible, but I am still leaning toward money being the motive. It just seems the more I dig, the more I find that supports money being the core issue. How exactly it all links together to lead to the end result, I am not sure. There may have been a fight over Dana as well, but I can't find a place to really fit it in so that it plays a key role.

As for Darin feeling guilty and that is why he supports Darlie, I really doubt this. Call me a cynic, but I think if anything binds him to Darlie, it is real guilt and fear of what she might hold over his head. The same for her. I think they both have enough on each other to seal their fate. If it were only misplaced guilt causing Darin's actions, it would have worn off by now. One or the other of them would be talking. Since neither is, it tells me that they both hold some powerful information about the other. And that is what buys their silence.

Darlie can't talk right now, not until her appeals are up. When that happens, one or both of them will be talking if Darin is only guilty of a cover up or trying to protect her. If he has some real guilt in what happened, it will be Darlie talking. If she doesn't, I expect that he will be writing a tell-all book that puts all of the blame on her, released after her execution.

Money in which aspect? Can't be insurance money. IMO Darin feels guilty because he somehow "dared" her to do it. When she did, he helped her finish the job which then turned him into a criminal, not a distraught father. I am not saying issues with Dana were the key to the whole thing. A quick temper and paranoia can be caused by Rx diet pills. You just said Dana is a touchy-feely person. Instead of telling me that had no impact on Darlie, it just convinces me more. Not that they WERE having any type of affair, but maybe Darlie just got dang sick of Dana being touchy-feely with HER husband. So let's say that Darin chatted with Dana once he got her home. Nothing romantic or sexual, just chat. But we have Darlie sitting at home, already in a bad mood. Is she thinking "why is he taking so long"? Is she simmering sitting there stuck at home with the boys while he is out too long? She had the boys all day. They had splashed all of the water out of the hot tub. How did they manage that anyway? She was "strung out", worrying about her fancy life style, her irritation at Darin growing stronger and stronger. I really feel that his taking too long to deliver Dana was a factor. Again, not that they were doing anything sexual, but just the fact that Darlie was annoyed in general.

 

[beesy]

I think Dana was just a touchy,feely person, but I agree that something triggered the events of that night. I am not totally convinced that it was ALL Darlie or that she even acted alone that night, but I agree that it could have gone down that way. Still too much that we don't know.

I've said before that I think Darin went as far as delivering the final wound to Damon. At that point he was in too deep anyway:twocents:. Darin is an odd character in all of this. He claims his life was ruined by lousy LE investigations. His life was ruined when the boys were killed! LE didn't destroy their world. The murders did.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Anything is possible, but I am still leaning toward money being the motive. It just seems the more I dig, the more I find that supports money being the core issue. How exactly it all links together to lead to the end result, I am not sure. There may have been a fight over Dana as well, but I can't find a place to really fit it in so that it plays a key role.

As for Darin feeling guilty and that is why he supports Darlie, I really doubt this. Call me a cynic, but I think if anything binds him to Darlie, it is real guilt and fear of what she might hold over his head. The same for her. I think they both have enough on each other to seal their fate. If it were only misplaced guilt causing Darin's actions, it would have worn off by now. One or the other of them would be talking. Since neither is, it tells me that they both hold some powerful information about the other. And that is what buys their silence.

Darlie can't talk right now, not until her appeals are up. When that happens, one or both of them will be talking if Darin is only guilty of a cover up or trying to protect her. If he has some real guilt in what happened, it will be Darlie talking. If she doesn't, I expect that he will be writing a tell-all book that puts all of the blame on her, released after her execution.

I agree.

 

[HeartofTexas]

I truly can't imagine what Darlie could possibly be holding over Darin's head that would keep him under her thumb for 9+ years. If it was the hired burglar, that story has already come out. If it was drugs, it's too after the fact for any LE to prove anything and thus prosecute him. If it's something illegal he did with his business, there's not much they can do to hurt him now since any statute of limitations has run on those crimes, and he's already lost the business anyway.

So what do you think could be so big that it would still be controlling him so many years later?

 

[j2mirish]

I truly can't imagine what Darlie could possibly be holding over Darin's head that would keep him under her thumb for 9+ years. If it was the hired burglar, that story has already come out. If it was drugs, it's too after the fact for any LE to prove anything and thus prosecute him. If it's something illegal he did with his business, there's not much they can do to hurt him now since any statute of limitations has run on those crimes, and he's already lost the business anyway.

So what do you think could be so big that it would still be controlling him so many years later?

I cant figure it out either....even if he knows for a fact she did it, and he didnt testify to it, that cant be it cause they cant do anything to him for that- then i wonder sometimes if he really is stupid enough to think she is innocent....how could he take the one remaining son to prison, to visit her, if he believed she stabbed their other 2 sons to death?

 

[Goody]

I truly can't imagine what Darlie could possibly be holding over Darin's head that would keep him under her thumb for 9+ years. If it was the hired burglar, that story has already come out. If it was drugs, it's too after the fact for any LE to prove anything and thus prosecute him. If it's something illegal he did with his business, there's not much they can do to hurt him now since any statute of limitations has run on those crimes, and he's already lost the business anyway.

So what do you think could be so big that it would still be controlling him so many years later?

He played a role in the killings. It is the only thing she could have big enough to keep him silent and loyal all these years. At least that is my opinion.

 

[Goody]

I cant figure it out either....even if he knows for a fact she did it, and he didnt testify to it, that cant be it cause they cant do anything to him for that- then i wonder sometimes if he really is stupid enough to think she is innocent....how could he take the one remaining son to prison, to visit her, if he believed she stabbed their other 2 sons to death?

If he believed she was not herself when she committed the killings, (you know, like a bad hair day), then he could justify taking the child to see her. He wouldn't believe she would flip out again like that. Plus, she is safe in prison. Even if she had a high propensity to do it again, she wouldn't be a threat to anyone as long as she is inside (bad hair day or not).

 

[Goody]

Money in which aspect? Can't be insurance money. .

Money as the motive stretches from the pressures of financial chaos, which they were experiencing, and her inability to slow down and regroup; to possibly what financial gains she might have envisioned as a result of the boys' deaths. She obviously felt so committed to her lifestyle that she couldn't cancel her trips or just explain to others that they were tapped out temporarily.

So anything is possible regarding how she envisioned financial change to come about after the murders, from possibly charging the funerals and using the cash to fund her immediate needs, or seeing herself as Rowlett's sweetheart being showered with donations from well wishers to selling their story and capitalizing on the tragedy in whatever way they could. So far earning money had been easy for them. It is not too much of a stretch to see her thinking of taking it up a notch or two. Maybe she just thought life would be easier without the added expense two little boys caused, but I tend to think Darlie dreamed big when she dreamed so I don't have a problem envisioning an ambitious entreapeneur at work here. By the same token, because earning big bucks did come so easy for them, she might have been just playing it by ear all the way thru, just ready to take advantage of opportunities that might spin off of the crime without really planning anything specific.

So, to answer your question, somewhere between the financial pressures and what I see as a deep rooted need for the good life lies the motive. Whatever it is, money is at the core, you can be sure of that. Their attraction to it is the only consistent thing in this case.

IMO Darin feels guilty because he somehow "dared" her to do it. When she did, he helped her finish the job which then turned him into a criminal, not a distraught father. I am not saying issues with Dana were the key to the whole thing. A quick temper and paranoia can be caused by Rx diet pills. You just said Dana is a touchy-feely person. Instead of telling me that had no impact on Darlie, it just convinces me more. Not that they WERE having any type of affair, but maybe Darlie just got dang sick of Dana being touchy-feely with HER husband. So let's say that Darin chatted with Dana once he got her home. Nothing romantic or sexual, just chat. But we have Darlie sitting at home, already in a bad mood. Is she thinking "why is he taking so long"? Is she simmering sitting there stuck at home with the boys while he is out too long? She had the boys all day. They had splashed all of the water out of the hot tub. How did they manage that anyway? She was "strung out", worrying about her fancy life style, her irritation at Darin growing stronger and stronger. I really feel that his taking too long to deliver Dana was a factor. Again, not that they were doing anything sexual, but just the fact that Darlie was annoyed in general

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The boys splashed only HALF the water out of the hot tub that day, but it ticked their parents off all the same. Water must be expensive in Texas.

As for Darin, I think if he feels guilt it is real, not something misplaced, but until he writes his tell-all, I guess we will will never know for sure. Even then we might not know.

 

[Goody]

I've said before that I think Darin went as far as delivering the final wound to Damon. At that point he was in too deep anyway:twocents:. Darin is an odd character in all of this. He claims his life was ruined by lousy LE investigations. His life was ruined when the boys were killed! LE didn't destroy their world. The murders did.

If he did deliver that final blow,he is guilty of Damon's murder, not Darlie. Do you really think she would sit on death row all these years and say nothing?

 

[HeartofTexas]

Water must be expensive in Texas.

No, water is relatively cheap here. I don't think it was the monetary expense that bothered her with the water in the spa... but probably the fact that she saw the boys as being out of control. I think Darlie felt like her whole life was spiraling out of control during that time and the boys' misbehavior was just another item on the list.

 

[j2mirish]

If he believed she was not herself when she committed the killings, (you know, like a bad hair day), then he could justify taking the child to see her. He wouldn't believe she would flip out again like that. Plus, she is safe in prison. Even if she had a high propensity to do it again, she wouldn't be a threat to anyone as long as she is inside (bad hair day or not).

my concern wasnt that she could do anything to drake--- my point was--- he almost has to think she is innocent, if he takes the only living son to see her, where she is caged for having killed the other 2--bad hair day or not---

 

[j2mirish]

As for Darin, I think if he feels guilt it is real, not something misplaced, but until he writes his tell-all, I guess we will will never know for sure. Even then we might not know.

so- would you buy the book?

 

[beesy]

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Money as the motive stretches from the pressures of financial chaos, which they were experiencing, and her inability to slow down and regroup; to possibly what financial gains she might have envisioned as a result of the boys' deaths. She obviously felt so committed to her lifestyle that she couldn't cancel her trips or just explain to others that they were tapped out temporarily

Yes, money in that aspect. I wasn't sure if you were talking about the insurance money. But, yes, IMO, Darlie did NOT want to give up her lifestyle

So anything is possible regarding how she envisioned financial change to come about after the murders, from possibly charging the funerals and using the cash to fund her immediate needs, or seeing herself as Rowlett's sweetheart being showered with donations from well wishers to selling their story and capitalizing on the tragedy in whatever way they could. So far earning money had been easy for them. It is not too much of a stretch to see her thinking of taking it up a notch or two. Maybe she just thought life would be easier without the added expense two little boys caused, but I tend to think Darlie dreamed big when she dreamed so I don't have a problem envisioning an ambitious entreapeneur at work here. By the same token, because earning big bucks did come so easy for them, she might have been just playing it by ear all the way thru, just ready to take advantage of opportunities that might spin off of the crime without really planning anything specific.
So, to answer your question, somewhere between the financial pressures and what I see as a deep rooted need for the good life lies the motive. Whatever it is, money is at the core, you can be sure of that. Their attraction to it is the only consistent thing in this case

Agreed. Darlie thought she'd have a book or movie deal, that she'd end up on the morning shows as a victim and as a grieving mother. Well, she's infamous at least.

The boys splashed only HALF the water out of the hot tub that day, but it ticked their parents off all the same. Water must be expensive in Texas

Oh yeah that's right. I was thinking more of how much trouble it was to mop it all up.

As for Darin, I think if he feels guilt it is real, not something misplaced, but until he writes his tell-all, I guess we will will never know for sure. Even then we might not know.

I think his guilt is real too. Most likely the reason he failed the polygraph.

 

[beesy]

If he did deliver that final blow,he is guilty of Damon's murder, not Darlie. Do you really think she would sit on death row all these years and say nothing?

Yes, I do. I think the "2-attack" theory makes alot of sense. It explains why Darlie's blood is under Damon's on the butcher knife. How is she going to say that Darin also stabbed Damon(in the 2nd attack) without hanging herself too? To put Darin in any of the attacks is to implicate herself also. Remember too they had already told their stories. Would you really believe Darlie if she suddenly said Darin stabbed Damon right in front of her? I think Darin's shock upon coming down the stairs was very real. He spoke of some basic trauma reactions which we've discussed before, slo-mo, etc. But, once he realized what had happened and Darlie made sure to let him know that in her eyes, HE made her do it, he helped her out. Remember that part in the tape where cami and I hear her saying "Damon, Damon, Damon"? To me it sounds like she's trying to get Darin's attention that Damon is moving. At that point, he had already started the cover-up and so knew Damon had to be killed. This is all IMO of course.

 

[Goody]

Yes, I do. I think the "2-attack" theory makes alot of sense. It explains why Darlie's blood is under Damon's on the butcher knife. How is she going to say that Darin also stabbed Damon(in the 2nd attack) without hanging herself too? To put Darin in any of the attacks is to implicate herself also. Remember too they had already told their stories. Would you really believe Darlie if she suddenly said Darin stabbed Damon right in front of her? I think Darin's shock upon coming down the stairs was very real. He spoke of some basic trauma reactions which we've discussed before, slo-mo, etc. But, once he realized what had happened and Darlie made sure to let him know that in her eyes, HE made her do it, he help ed her out. Remember that part in the tape where cami and I hear her saying "Damon, Damon, Damon"? To me it sounds like she's trying to get Darin's attention that Damon is moving. At that point, he had already started the cover-up and so knew Damon had to be killed. This is all IMO of course.

Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Good one, Bees. One of these days I am going to take the time to study that 911 tape. I will try to keep this observation in the back of my mind when I do.

I can see your point about the other, too. But only if Darlie truly believed they could beat the system. That is possible. Another thought to keep in the unverified section. Good job.:woohoo:

 

[Goody]

No, water is relatively cheap here. I don't think it was the monetary expense that bothered her with the water in the spa... but probably the fact that she saw the boys as being out of control. I think Darlie felt like her whole life was spiraling out of control during that time and the boys' misbehavior was just another item on the list.

Then why did Darin get so mad about it?

 

[Goody]

my concern wasnt that she could do anything to drake--- my point was--- he almost has to think she is innocent, if he takes the only living son to see her, where she is caged for having killed the other 2--bad hair day or not---

Actually I agree. It is one of my pet peeves about Darin. I just dont see how he could be that detached himself. Even Russell Yates was angry with Andrea under the calm exterior he projected to the public. So where was Darin's anger? He gets on the radio and talks about them learning what is important in life, about how they were too materialistic until they lost the boys, etc., then he goes to get a tattoo of the boys and tells the tattoo artist that they are going to make a bundle on their story by cutting the middle man out and having Darlie doing the writing. He seems to be an endless vault of oxymorons.

 

[Goody]

so- would you buy the book?

How could I not? It would be the last word on this case that has me hooked like a Blue Marlin on a celebrity fishing trip. If I didn't, I'd be left flipping and flopping on the deck of some sea crusier.

 

[Goody]

I wonder if Darlie has ever wondered what he might write about her after she is dead and gone.