Motion to Take Deposition to Perpetuate Testimony of Jill Kerley

[Cat13067]

I respectfully disagree. I found her to be credible. I also find Rk to be obese not small. I have no idea what size she was when they were married. Moo

If she was credible why didn't JB put her under oath at the time he spoke to her?

RK is a stocky man now, but what weight was he when he was married to JK?

 

[Searchfortruth]

Other then the not under oath seriously edited "depo" video on youtube. Is there anything else that can verify JK's story? Such as an arrest record, police reports, 911 calls, eyewitnesses, or anything of that nature for the incidents in question?

Yes, I would think that there would be a police report documenting this violent duct taping incident...but, something tells me there's not.

 

[LinasK]

Personally, I feel this was the sleaziest tactic the defense engaged in. And JB can pass it off as his own idea, but I doubt it - he hasn't done much of anything of substance the past year - this came out when AL and her sidekick came into the picture.

It was sleazy because they didn't interview this woman under oath and submit it as discovery, which would have allowed the state to respond and verify it as true or to investigate it on their own before it was displayed to the public through the media. This "interview" was heavily edited and attached to a motion - like some sneaky barnacle of an addendum to a bill in government - so that it could circumvent the normal procedure of the Sunshine Law in FL and pretty much go directly to the media and thereby influence the public. Anyone who knows anything about manipulating the media is aware that if an audience sees a picture of something it doesn't matter how many times it is retracted later, the first visual impression stays with the audience as truth.

To have completely bypassed normal procedure and slapped lipstick on this slanderous pig of an "interview" and palmed off her allegations as evidence to the general public (which may not understand the distinction between a youtube-y type video and an actual sworn statement) is not just unethical, it should be criminal.

To add insult to injury, the defense then delayed as long as possible in making the state aware of this woman's contact information, so they had little chance of following up until she might be too ill to be correctly deposed.

I hope this whole thing backfires on them. If JK is unable to give a proper deposition due to illness, or if her treatment interferes with her ability - then the entire thing can be thrown out as inadmissible. If not, then she can appear and let the state verify the validity of her claims. Making a very ill woman your star witness and delaying her access to the opposition is just junk lawyering, imo.

However, even if things go well for this woman, and I hope she comes through her treatment - I have trouble thinking her testimony will be all that credible. She has her own sketchy history and past which I'm sure will mitigate any story she feels she needs to tell.

One thing we know is, many many people can substantiate the lies and criminal acts of KC - including but not limited to a family that never reported them. If all that stands against RK's reputation is a disgruntled ex and her daughter, I don't think it will stick.

Frankly, as hinky as people find the whole RK story, I think the fact that RK's family did a 180 on their initial reactions to him (some on paper) after he found Caylee's remains and suddenly popped up as defense witnesses, is just as bizarre, if not more so. It smacks of outside influence if you ask me.

The above points were just so accurate, I felt they bore repeating!!!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[marspiter]

Yes, I would think that there would be a police report documenting this violent duct taping incident...but, something tells me there's not.

That and wouldn't there be something from the hospital indicating her injuries. I believe JK made the comment that she had to hospitalized at one point do to RK.

With all do seriousness has any evidence surfaced that can back up JK's claims? With out anything to back up any of this and the little barring it has on this case should a depo by JK even be admissible as evidence?

 

[Cat13067]

Wouldn't you think that JK would have contacted the SA upon hearing that her abusive duct taping former husband found CA? After all she states that she just had a gut feeling he was involved in CA's murder. I find it odd that she sat back, and waited for JB to find her before she told anyone.

When I watched her interview it sorta reminded me of MC talking about Haleigh. Closing her eyes, and putting her head down....hmmm

 

[Cat13067]

Anyone know who filed for the divorce? I sure hope it was JK, because if it wasn't that woman got some explaining to do.

 

[notthatsmart]

Other then the not under oath seriously edited "depo" video on youtube. Is there anything else that can verify JK's story? Such as an arrest record, police reports, 911 calls, eyewitnesses, or anything of that nature for the incidents in question?

Only thing I can think of right now is in the CS statement, she says that Rk father called her to help get Rk out of jail after he was arressted on kinapping charges. He told her that they found handcuffs and duct tape in his car. So there is duct tape incident #2. There should be records of such, but am not sure if they retain police logs and reports after a Grand Jury expunges them. Moo

 

[sleutherontheside]

Only thing I can think of right now is in the CS statement, she says that Rk father called her to help get Rk out of jail after he was arressted on kinapping charges. He told her that they found handcuffs and duct tape in his car. So there is duct tape incident #2. There should be records of such, but am not sure if they retain police logs and reports after a Grand Jury expunges them. Moo

Actually....RK's fathers statement would be considered hearsay unless he gave that as his own testimony. If that is not the case......it wouldn't be in the records as it would be inadmissable in court. And by the way....expunged means expunged and so in essence....statements don't hold any value. If I call the Orlando media and make an unsubstantiated statement......does that qualify as an "incident"? If that's the case..........

 

[marspiter]

Ok so we have some hearsay evidence about Rk. Hearsay evidence that is tied to the kidnapping that RK was not guilty of and had expunged from his record. Still nothing that is tied directly too any of JK's claims.

So once again nothing can verify JK's claims. As far as duct tape being in his car. Well that is a pretty common item to keep in your vehicle. I have a roll in my trunk right now with my jumper box and ratchet set. To me this is all just reaching and seriously so.

I also find in interesting that the Sparks and JK weren't given actual depo's under oath by the defense. Instead they edited these non under oath statements and released them on youtube. So the statements they make are as meaningful to this case as random posts on a place like topix.

 

[Cat13067]

Only thing I can think of right now is in the CS statement, she says that Rk father called her to help get Rk out of jail after he was arressted on kinapping charges. He told her that they found handcuffs and duct tape in his car. So there is duct tape incident #2. There should be records of such, but am not sure if they retain police logs and reports after a Grand Jury expunges them. Moo

I think your incident #2 reeks of heresay. IMO

 

[wonders]

It's funny to me that the defense has only come up with seedy characters to "prove" KC didn't murder Caylee. JK never spoke until the defense in all their wisdom went to her. IMO the defense will only get their fingers burnt playing with these ingredience for their big bomb.
What ever happened to the Nanny? Did somebody bump her off before they could even find that "10" , like say O's Finest?

 

[Cat13067]

NTS why are you so fixated on the duct tape when there is so much evidence that points to KC? GA had duct tape on his gas cans, front door poster, and it all matched the duct tape found on Caylee. Should we look at GA as the killer of Caylee? Your arguement is weak when you look at all the evidence against KC. Justice means getting to the truth....right?

 

[Cat13067]

I guess I see duct taping your wifes wrist as horrific. Didn't realize it was so common. Gosh I hope not. I do not believe it will be a feather, but I do agree with the scale thing. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence against Rk and I posted it in the Rk thread. And yes, I agree it has to be reasonable. They will prolly looking for a way to tie Rk to Kc through a 3rd party of some sort. The depositions may help them to do that. Moo

Maybe they should ask KC what her tie is to RK. If KC is blaming RK for Caylee's murder she would be the one to connect the dots for her defense...don't you agree? IMO

 

[marspiter]

Hmm I wonder how many of Casey's friends have ever used duct tape or owned a roll. How many people in this case have owned duct tape or used it. If JB has ever used duct tape does that mean he should throw himself under the bus? I mean he has ties to this case.

He mysteriously came into this case. He's mysteriously getting paid. He claims to have evidence of Casey's innocence but refuses to release it for discovery. He allegedly told DC to come to him if he found the body and may have known where the body was. I'm sure his ex-wife would have not so nice things to say about him and he was in trouble for not paying child support. He's Hispanic and a 10...well ok maybe not a 10 but hey he's starting to fit as a possible suspect as much or more then RK. So does that equate reasonable doubt?

Perhaps JB's ex-wife and daughter should have to give depos based on the above train of thought?

All in jest of course but I think I made the point.

 

[notthatsmart]

Actually....RK's fathers statement would be considered hearsay unless he gave that as his own testimony. If that is not the case......it wouldn't be in the records as it would be inadmissable in court. And by the way....expunged means expunged and so in essence....statements don't hold any value. If I call the Orlando media and make an unsubstantiated statement......does that qualify as an "incident"? If that's the case..........

Yes I agree, they may have to depose Rk father if the daisy chain of depositions leads to him. Moo

 

[notthatsmart]

Ok so we have some hearsay evidence about Rk. Hearsay evidence that is tied to the kidnapping that RK was not guilty of and had expunged from his record. Still nothing that is tied directly too any of JK's claims.

So once again nothing can verify JK's claims. As far as duct tape being in his car. Well that is a pretty common item to keep in your vehicle. I have a roll in my trunk right now with my jumper box and ratchet set. To me this is all just reaching and seriously so.

I also find in interesting that the Sparks and JK weren't given actual depo's under oath by the defense. Instead they edited these non under oath statements and released them on youtube. So the statements they make are as meaningful to this case as random posts on a place like topix.

I am not sure how the depo thing works. Do you have to get a Judges permission first? If so, do you need a statement first to get him to agree to a deposition first? I think they were just doing in order so they could legally depose her.

Not sure if they released these to the press or if this was actually part of the motion to implicate Rk and the links were given to the Judge. The first day I saw the video was the same day as the motion. I am really happy the Judge is allowing these depo's. We can now clear this matter up. If there's nothing there, then there is nothing to worry about for the majority view. Moo

 

[notthatsmart]

NTS why are you so fixated on the duct tape when there is so much evidence that points to KC? GA had duct tape on his gas cans, front door poster, and it all matched the duct tape found on Caylee. Should we look at GA as the killer of Caylee? Your arguement is weak when you look at all the evidence against KC. Justice means getting to the truth....right?

I don't want to get into GA gas can duct tape, but the last doc dump the Fbi said the fabric is disimiliar that is consistent with coming from a different source/roll. So there is no match. IMO I have looked at all the evidence that I can find and I find my argument that she is not guilty of premeditated murder to be very strong. Rk is a very important witness in this case. Jk will help to impeach him. The defense has the right to impeach a witness as does the prosecution. By the time the defense is done with Rk, the Jury may have a very hard time believing anything he says, including the body was there in August. Moo

 

[notthatsmart]

Maybe they should ask KC what her tie is to RK. If KC is blaming RK for Caylee's murder she would be the one to connect the dots for her defense...don't you agree? IMO

I disagree. I don't believe Kc is blaming Rk for the murder of Caylee. She is just impeaching him as a witness and she has every right. I think Kc does not know the person who killed Caylee. Moo

 

[notthatsmart]

Hmm I wonder how many of Casey's friends have ever used duct tape or owned a roll. How many people in this case have owned duct tape or used it. If JB has ever used duct tape does that mean he should throw himself under the bus? I mean he has ties to this case.

He mysteriously came into this case. He's mysteriously getting paid. He claims to have evidence of Casey's innocence but refuses to release it for discovery. He allegedly told DC to come to him if he found the body and may have known where the body was. I'm sure his ex-wife would have not so nice things to say about him and he was in trouble for not paying child support. He's Hispanic and a 10...well ok maybe not a 10 but hey he's starting to fit as a possible suspect as much or more then RK. So does that equate reasonable doubt?

Perhaps JB's ex-wife and daughter should have to give depos based on the above train of thought?

All in jest of course but I think I made the point.

Good point, but Jb didn't find the body with 200 mile an hour duct tape on it.. Moo

 

[RR0004]

I am not sure how the depo thing works. Do you have to get a Judges permission first? If so, do you need a statement first to get him to agree to a deposition first? I think they were just doing in order so they could legally depose her.

Not sure if they released these to the press or if this was actually part of the motion to implicate Rk and the links were given to the Judge. The first day I saw the video was the same day as the motion. I am really happy the Judge is allowing these depo's. We can now clear this matter up. If there's nothing there, then there is nothing to worry about for the majority view. Moo

Ya mean like they would need to be actually placed on a witness list?