Motion to Take Deposition to Perpetuate Testimony of Jill Kerley

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  • #161
This is the most compelling part of today's hearing that I cannot wait to hear! According to the internet posting her mother made last August, JK apparently had Non-Hodgkins (like her father), but that did not stop her from writing bad checks that she was subsequently arrested for and was facing jail. I wonder if she was able to make it to those court hearings?

BTW...original motion stating she was too ill to travel was in November...

Wonder if she really IS going to be in Orlando today???


This woman better think about what she plans to do because the Pros will drag her butt all over that courtroom if she is going to testify for the defense against RK. Those bad checks will come out and anything else she has done that was not legal. Her credibility will be shot and for what....revenge against her ex-husband???? Maybe every ex-wife should contact the defense if they want a way to get back at their ex. Make up a story about him being in that area at that time and that he was mean to the ex and that they think he might be involved. Anyone can make up a big ole story for revenge. The other side to that is that you better have a spotless life cause if you don't the Pros will have your head.

Is this woman looking for attention plus revenge. How can someone carry a grudge for that many years when they were only married FOUR months???? I don't think physical illness is her only problem.
 
  • #162
I THINK her name starts with a 'C' and rhymes with "bristol". Doesn't that sound right? :waitasec:

Who is this person...defense?
 
  • #163
Hear Ye, Hear Ye,

It is time to bring you people back to reality. Perusing your comments, here are some answers to your questions.

1. Jill Kerley's sworn testimony is considered factual information, there does not need to be a corroborating police report.

2. I have reviewed Kerley's "criminal record" and I did not see anywhere that she has been adjudicated guilty of a felony or crime of dishonesty - just arrested for them. And an arrest is not a permissible means to impeach someone.

3. The Motion to Perpetuate Testimony is routinely used to perpetuate (i.e. preserve) a person's testimony in the event that they might die or be too ill to testify. A Deposition to Perpetuate testimony is done in the same manner as if she were testifying in trial. Baez obtains her direct testimony, the state objects if necessary, but the answer is still given. Then the State cross examines her on material issues. From there, the judge rules on the objections and then the testimony is edited to include the permissible testimony. If, when the time comes for trial, Ms. Kerley has died or is to ill to testify, her perpetuated testimony is presented to the jury. If she is not dead or too ill to testify, the State can demand her presence at that time.

4. In any event, if her testimony was not allowed to be perpetuated and she subsequently died - Casey would have one hell of an appellate issue for denial of due process and compulsory attendance of witnesses.

5. The authorization of the perpetuation of Ms. Kerley's testimony does not mean her testimony will be allowed in court. It is only being authorized to prevent an unnecessary appellate issue where Casey could argue that she was denied due process or opportunity to present a defense.

6. Finally, the decision to allow Kerley's testimony to be presented to the jury (whether live or by perpetuated video) will be determined at a later date before trial by the judge. And the standard is not whether Kronk was actually convicted of the crimes, or even whether there is other corroborating evidence supporting Kerley's claims. The issue Judge Strickland must decide is if the evidence is a sufficiently similar to an issue in Casey's case as to point suspicion at Kronk (i.e. the uniqueness of duct tape use on women).

7. In making this determination, the judge does not decide whether he believes Kerley, he only decides whether the evidence would be relevant IF the jury believed Kerley - thus shining suspicion on Kronk. Ultimately, the weight that is given to this evidence is up to a jury - not a judge. If the jury thinks she is full of it, they will disregard it entirely and it would backfire on Baez and Co.

8. Finally, I am so tired of insinuations that Roy Kronk could sue Baez or his ex-wife, Kerley; he can not. While the original allegations may - or may not - be untrue. the fact that the allegations were made by Kerley once upon a time is true. Thus Baez pointing out that Kronk has been accused of similar conduct in the past is a factually accurate claim - thus he has a complete defense to any defamation suit.

Peace out!

I don't usually get involved in these legal threads because I know Jack about this stuff but, I do have a few questions.

It was my understanding that the edited video that we have all seen was not taken under oath. Doesn't she have to take an oath before her statement for it to be a sworn statement or just swear to it afterwards? Also is a sworn statement the same as sworn testimony? I thought that you had to be in court or ,in her case, have both defense and pros there and be questioned by both sides.

I have a feeling that when push comes to shove, she will refuse to give sworn testimony because she is not telling the truth. I did not watch the whole thing but she did seem to give some of the tells of lying or stretching the truth with her eye movements.

Doesn't the tape become unreliable evidence if it has been tampered with such as editing it? Or does that only matter if it is presented in court?

I did not think that Kronk's expunged record of the kidnapping had anything to do with JK unless you are saying that her testifying that it also happened to her bolsters the original accusation of kidnapping made by the boyfriend when Kronk was trying to help he ex girlfriend get away from him. Also did JK actually say that she was kidnapped or did she say that Kronk once duct taped her hands together? Would that be kidnapping?

And even with all that you said above, how does that prove that RK was the one that kidnapped, killed and dumped Caylee? Or is this only for reasonable doubt and they don't really think he kidnapped Caylee but some poor juror might?

I still think that they need evidence that Kronk had access to Caylee during that time, motive aside. So they will have to overcome KC's statements to police about the Nanny having Caylee and how the Nanny got Caylee or is Kronk the nanny or maybe he just is kidnapping buddies with the nanny?

I still don't see how whether Kronk actually did or did not kidnap someone has anything to do with this crime. If true, in both cases (one expunged, the other never reported), it would have been someone he knew and was intimate with and was the person, not a family member, and were older women not young children, so kidnapping Caylee would not be his normal way of operating.

Don't think that you can give Baez any points for this just yet unless it is points for muddying the waters. So far, I see little evidence that this has caused reasonable doubt in the minds of most people. It only takes one but that is in court and I am not sure that any of this will make it into court because it reeks of lies and revenge.

Is JK the ex-girlfriend that was "kidnapped" from the boyfriend she was trying to get away from? I think I am getting confused as to who is who here.

Just MHO as always.
 
  • #164
8. Finally, I am so tired of insinuations that Roy Kronk could sue Baez or his ex-wife, Kerley; he can not. While the original allegations may - or may not - be untrue. the fact that the allegations were made by Kerley once upon a time is true. Thus Baez pointing out that Kronk has been accused of similar conduct in the past is a factually accurate claim - thus he has a complete defense to any defamation suit.

Peace out!

*Snipped and bolded by me*

Before this video disseminated by the defense surfaced had JK ever made these statements before about RK's abuse toward her? I wonder if this statement is confused with the kidnapping charge from NC.

Does anyone know if JK had ever made any documented statements about her abuse at the hands of RK before this video?

If JK's only statement regarding this abuse by RK is this video, does Hornsby's statement about a possible civil suit not being valid still stand? I'm no lawyer but to me if this is the only time JK had ever made these statements (the video) and these statements are untrue and were presented to the media the first time they were made..well to me that would seem a lawsuit for defamation.
 
  • #165
It was the Bc doc dump.

I think Rk had control of the body. Needs to be fully investigated. Moo

If I remember correctly RK never had physical "control" over Caylee's body. The poor man didn't even know if it was Caylee in the plastic bags that's why he contacted the police. I would think the FBI would have found RK's fingerprints on the plastic bags if in fact he had control over the body....don't you agree?
 
  • #166
If I remember correctly RK never had physical "control" over Caylee's body. The poor man didn't even know if it was Caylee in the plastic bags that's why he contacted the police. I would think the FBI would have found RK's fingerprints on the plastic bags if in fact he had control over the body....don't you agree?

I can't figure out how his finding the body has gotten twisted into he had physical control over Caylee's body anyway. There are no facts supporting that assumption at all.
 
  • #167
Just as a side note....I thought that on the kidnapping arrest all charges were dropped once the police investigated because they found that it was not true and that RK was indeed helping out a friend. If this is true then there was no original kidnapping and no proof of kidnapping of JK either. So he is being hung out to dry because he had a wrongful arrest expunged from his record? I would have done the same thing because who wants to have to explain that to every employer that you ever talk to again.

So unless someone can come forward with a conviction or a reliable witness to JK's accusations, I give Kronk the benefit of the doubt.
I don't think anyone is saying there was a conviction nor is anyone saying any of this ever happened as far as this motion goes.
They only facts are that he was arrested for it (true) and that someone accused him of it twice (true)
This information may never be used anywhere but if they don't allow KC due process to perpetuate this testimony it could be a problem.

In reality if any of this were ever entered into court it could be discredited in a flash asn remember Kronk is not on trial. The only goal of this is to impeach kronk and raise reasonable doubt.
 
  • #168
As I have already posted, enough with the duct tape on this thread. Do a search on titles using the keyword duct or tape. you will probably get 10 threads.

This thread is about a motion to perpetuate the testimony of Jill Kerley.
 
  • #169
I don't think anyone is saying there was a conviction nor is anyone saying any of this ever happened as far as this motion goes.
They only facts are that he was arrested for it (true) and that someone accused him of it twice (true)
This information may never be used anywhere but if they don't allow KC due process to perpetuate this testimony it could be a problem.

In reality if any of this were ever entered into court it could be discredited in a flash asn remember Kronk is not on trial. The only goal of this is to impeach kronk and raise reasonable doubt.

I guess that is what I was trying to get at without much success.

My only question is who accused him twice of kidnapping? I thought that JK only said that he duct taped her hands during an argument. I guess I really should go watch the video.....dang it, I was really hoping to not have to do that.
 
  • #170
I guess that is what I was trying to get at without much success.

My only question is who accused him twice of kidnapping? I thought that JK only said that he duct taped her hands during an argument. I guess I really should go watch the video.....dang it, I was really hoping to not have to do that.
I am only saying as a matter of record:
1. he has been accused by his ex wife (see statement) Jill kerley. Read the motion in the opening post of this thread. She said he kidnapped her and held her against her will for 2 weeks in MD.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22313192/detail.html


2. he was arrested for kidnapping in the early 90's and that arrest was expunged.
 
  • #171
Who was questioned first by the defense RK or JK?

The reason I ask is because if RK was interviewed first and this video is the first time JK has ever made these allegations well then to RK's knowledge he was never accused of the things JK is saying.
 
  • #172
I am only saying as a matter of record:
1. he has been accused by his ex wife (see statement) Jill kerley. Read the motion in the opening post of this thread. She said he kidnapped her and held her against her will for 2 weeks in MD.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22313192/detail.html


2. he was arrested for kidnapping in the early 90's and that arrest was expunged.

Yeah, thanks. I finally broke down and watched the whole interview (not depo or sworn statement as far as I can tell) and she did accuse him of kidnapping and duct taping her hands 2 times.

I am off to research some of her other claims and see if I can come up with anything.
 
  • #173
I am only saying as a matter of record:
1. he has been accused by his ex wife (see statement) Jill kerley. Read the motion in the opening post of this thread. She said he kidnapped her and held her against her will for 2 weeks in MD.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22313192/detail.html


2. he was arrested for kidnapping in the early 90's and that arrest was expunged.

Not disputing these two facts really. I'm just wondering at what point this accusation from JK came about. It has been said that RK denied JK's allegations and I'm thinking RK was interviewed first. There is also no dispute that JK made these allogations in my mind. What I do question though is the truthfulness of her "comments" as it was not a sworn statement, and if her sworn statement (if that happens) should be admissible in court. If it is presented in court as evidence (which I doubt) then I would think it would be pretty easily argued by the SA.

To me JK's "comments" holds just a little more weight (not much more) then the prison letter about O Town's Finest or the psychic info about the german shepherd and the tree.
 
  • #174
Not disputing these two facts really. I'm just wondering at what point this accusation from JK came about. It has been said that RK denied JK's allegations and I'm thinking RK was interviewed first. There is also no dispute that JK made these allogations in my mind. What I do question though is the truthfulness of her "comments" as it was not a sworn statement, and if her sworn statement (if that happens) should be admissible in court. If it is presented in court as evidence (which I doubt) then I would think it would be pretty easily argued by the SA.

To me JK's "comments" holds just a little more weight (not much more) then the prison letter about O Town's Finest or the psychic info about the german shepherd and the tree.

From what I remember RK was in the deposition and while he was being deposed they released the video of JK. So actually the statement/video was taped prior to the deposition but I do not believe RK was aware of it. So essentially RK had no knowledge that this tape existed. If anyone observed anything different that day please let us know. But I believe that is the way it happened. JMO
 
  • #175
Mr. Hornsby, I'm glad to see you here again!

I must say, though, that I looked through what records are available for JK. I am not an expert at interpreting all the information, but I do see such notations as Guilty Plea, Length of Probation Imposed, Probation Revoked, and so on.

Show me where you saw that, what I saw was that across the board a Nolle Prosequi was filed in almost every case (Nolle Prosequi is a latin term indicating charges were dropped).

But I could be wrong, just give me your links.
 
  • #176
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DNCBo-lz2w&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
 
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Also in terms of expungement it depends on the state. Maybe not in Florida but in many states one can deny an expunged record under oath as though it never happened.

Expungement is much different then a pardon. I know CT and NJ allow one under oath to deny and expunged crime. So I guess it would depend on what the law in NC is as to if RK could deny his expunged arrest.

The defense could ask him in court about his kidnapping incident and legally he might be able to play dumb.
 
  • #179
I would also think the rules for expungement from the issuing state would apply (NC in this case). In order for Florida to actually see the expunged record they would have to request that info from NC AOC. So I would assume that NC would only release it if the request complied with their laws and not the law of the requesting state. Course I could be completely wrong on that.
 
  • #180
Kidnapping is a very serious crime. To not report it and then later state you were kidnapped sounds very "fishy" to me. First of all claiming you were kidnapped for two weeks may be an over reaction to something like having your husband bring you to another state and tell you you can't go home because he is not ready to leave and unless you can get home on your own you will have to wait. More than likely that is what happened. To accuse some one of kidnapping you across a state line is a federal offense is it not? So if she reported it there would be a record. If she did not it would be her word against his. JMO
 
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