Motivation Report has been released

[dgfred]

IMO if they had all been at trial together... AK and RS would be at the same point as RG right now. Instead, they are going to be in prison twice as long.

 

[Harmony 2]

The Supreme Court ruled that Guede did not act alone.

To tie your post to the topic of the thread:

In the more than 300-page document, the court said that a third person convicted in the murder, Rudy Guede, did not act alone, and cited the nature of the victim's wounds.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox/

 

[otto]

To tie your post to the topic of the thread:



http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/world/europe/italy-amanda-knox/

Thanks for finding the link! I believe it was that Meredith had stab wounds on both sides of her neck, and that she had no significant defensive injuries given the nature of the attack, that led to the conclusion that Guede did not act alone.

I suppose that decision was included by Nencini in the conviction of Knox and Sollecito, but we always knew that would happen. That was one of the questions that came up when Hellman concluded that the nice kids could not be involved in a murder ... if Guede did not act alone, and it wasn't Sollecito and Knox, who else was there? Where is the evidence? Why does the DNA on Meredith's bra match Sollecito?

 

[MichaelSmith]

FAULTY REPORT FAVORS FUTURE ACQUITTAL OF AMANDA KNOX AND RAFFAELE SOLLECITO – Part 2

http://wrongfulconvictionnews.com/f...of-amanda-knox-and-raffaele-sollecito-part-2/

 

[Footwarrior]

The Supreme Court ruled that Guede did not act alone.

A ruling based on Rudy's fast track trial, where both the prosecution and defense wanted others to be involved. The prosecution so they could go after Amanda and Raffaele. The defense so Rudy could imply that others were more responsible for this horrendous murder.

 

[Bill C]

1) It is interesting and illogical that Nencini would consider Guede reliable when Guede states that Meredith and Amanda were arguing over money and unreliable when he says that Meredith and not Amanda let him into the flat. Nencini seems to pick and choose the evidence that he uses to argue for his decision. Didn't the ISC rebuke Helleman for picking and choosing evidence that supported Helleman's decision?
2) Another related aspect that disturbs me is that Nencini states that Amanda took Meredith's $400 but the only fingerprints or blood on Meredith's purse were those of Guede.
3) If the ISC was sure the Meredith's DNA was on the purported knife, why did they order the retesting of the sample that C+V thought was too small to be analyzed? And, if they were unsure, doesn't the subsequent analysis of that sample showing only Amanda's DNA (which is easily explainable by the fact that she was spending so much time in Raf's flat) only add to the uncertainty.
4) In claiming that the knife from Raf's flat was the murder weapon Nencini ignores Rome's own forensic scientists who stated that at least 2 seperate runs of Low Copy DNA we REQUIRED to reliably attribute that DNA to an individual (Meredith). What other evidence is there that this is the muder weapon? The slash that that created the mortal wound could have been created by just about any knife.
5) Nencini appears to rely on Guede's fast-track trial results that found there were multiple attackers to substantiate his conclusions. As pointed out before this was a trial where both defense and prosecution benefitted from such a finding and a trial in which A+R had no part. They therefore lost the advantage, of reasonable doubt, that all
defendents are supposed to have. In other words, they could not argue their single attacker theory. If they were not Rudy's accomplice they had to provide another set of reasonable accomplices. I suspect that if the ISC upholds their conviction, the European Court will have an easy time overturning the convictions on the grounds that this represents conviction without representation.

 

[dgfred]

1- RG did not want to go all-out accusing AK/RS because they could also turn on him. So obviously he would not say AK let him in.

2- The blood was on the purse that Meredith did NOT use that evening. If you look at the pics (I will find one) that very purse was picked up and place on the bed using a sock. Why would RG do that???

3- The sample left was too small to re-test at first... later machines were capable. How would the accused dna on a suspected murder weapon help her defense?

4- Multiple wounds/ multiple attackers/ multiple knives.

5- Proving multiple attackers in RG's trial does not necessarily mean the other attackers were AK and RS... but the evidence did prove it so in their trial. The European Court might not even consider it... much less have an easy time overturning anything I suspect.

 

[otto]

Didn't Meredith keep her rent money in the drawer? Blood on the purse was more likely related to the cell phones than the rent money.

 

[dgfred]

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=3908

Now IMO we have RG's prints on the purse and a sock used to put it on the bed... hmmmm. Doesn't seem like the same person would have done that IMO.

 

[Bill C]

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/gallery/image_page.php?album_id=21&image_id=3908

Now IMO we have RG's prints on the purse and a sock used to put it on the bed... hmmmm. Doesn't seem like the same person would have done that IMO.

I think a more likely explation is that the purse was tossed onto the sock which was on the bed already.

 

[dgfred]

And it wrapped around the handle strap on it's own?? Nah.

 

[Bill C]

1- RG did not want to go all-out accusing AK/RS because they could also turn on him. So obviously he would not say AK let him in.

2- The blood was on the purse that Meredith did NOT use that evening. If you look at the pics (I will find one) that very purse was picked up and place on the bed using a sock. Why would RG do that???

3- The sample left was too small to re-test at first... later machines were capable. How would the accused dna on a suspected murder weapon help her defense?

4- Multiple wounds/ multiple attackers/ multiple knives.

5- Proving multiple attackers in RG's trial does not necessarily mean the other attackers were AK and RS... but the evidence did prove it so in their trial. The European Court might not even consider it... much less have an easy time overturning anything I suspect.

1) That is total supposition on your part. It is cherry picking Guede's testimony on Nencini's part.
2) First of all, who said she did not use the purse that night (please provide reference). Even if she didn't use it that night, it's possible that she stored the $400 in the purse before she went out. In either case, it's a pretty good bet that Guede's prints were on the purse becausse he was rifeling thru it looking for money. (So much for "Poor Rudy").
3) If the initial finding of Meredith's DNA on the knife is in question, this certainly added some additional doubt, otherwise, why would the ISC have ordered the test. They apparently felt they needed some confirmatory evidence or they wouldn't have ordered the test.
4) 4 wounds ALL of which could have been attributable to one knife (if there is PROOF otherwise I would be interested in the reference). As I said before, the slashing wound that caused her death could have been inflicted by just about any knife including the one that inflicted the other 3 wounds. This represents a case of imaginative interpretation of evidence to fit his theory of the crime on Nencini's part.
5) No but it does eliminate even considering the single attacker theory which all but cripple's A+R defense. Entering a trial with your hands tied behind your back due to a court ruling in which you had no part certainly seems to violate my sense of fair play and the principles by which the legal systems of most western countries operate. Thus, IMO my comments concerning the likelihood that the European Court would probably overturn any conviction are valid.

 

[dgfred]

What negative reaction?

 

[dgfred]

1- common sense is not supposition or cherry-picking IMO.

2- Look it up for yourself. Light colored purse was used at friends dinner. Is the rest supposition on your part?

3- All knew that the dna sample of Meredith was small in original testing, so none left to re-test at that point. The test was re-ordered for the 2nd instance... is that right?

4- A knife can make different wounds or different knives can make different wounds. IIRC the ME said multiple weapons and multiple attackers.

5- The defense is still able to argue a lone attacker... but it doesn't work too well when the evidence shows something else IMO. They certainly tried regardless.

 

[Bill C]

And it wrapped around the handle strap on it's own?? Nah.

What would be the purpose of using the sock to put the purse on the bed? To avoid putting fingers on the purse, when he had touched purse and left evidence? Nah! He also had obviously left traces of himself elsewhere in the room and didn't feel compelled to clean them up, so why be so careful with the purse? Was he worried about being convicted of a burglery when he had just committed a murder? Nah! Next you'll tell me that A+R moved the purse with the sock to incrimiinate Rudy.

 

[dgfred]

Now who might use a sock to move the purse... not putting prints on it? Probably wasn't the one leaving prints and dna in other places. I don't think RG staged the break-in either

 

[redheadedgal]

amanda didn't want to pick up/touch a purse b/c she didn't want to leave prints or dna on it, but she had no fears about picking up/touching a sock and possibly leaving prints or dna on it?

case solved !!

 

[dgfred]

Let's see. Print on leather strap or print on cotton sock? Which is more likely to you?

Why would the sock be wrapped around the strap in your opinion?

 

[dgfred]

Haha... Nancy Grace sure seems to think it was her.

Seems they didn't need it anyway to convict.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Haha... Nancy Grace sure seems to think it was her.



Seems they didn't need it anyway to convict.

Fingerprints from a sock....giggle.


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