Motivation Report has been released

[Linda7NJ]

Let's see ... Knox is a convicted liar and a convicted murderer. Should we trust anything that she states, writes, or publishes about the court's reasons for the decision?

If she told me it was raining outside, I'd have to walk out there and look myself....

 

[whoanellie]

I know this is not a popular opinion, but...

I don't think Amanda is a murderess.

I think (based on the pro-prosecution books & Amanda's own book) that she is (or at least was at the time she was doing her sudy abroad) inconsiderate, socially inept, selfish, a pothead, pretentious, annoying, and not someone I'd want to live with or hang around. But I don't think she murdered Meredith.

There are many here who believe Amanda is innocent.

 

[otto]

I know this is not a popular opinion, but...

I don't think Amanda is a murderess.

I think (based on the pro-prosecution books & Amanda's own book) that she is (or at least was at the time she was doing her sudy abroad) inconsiderate, socially inept, selfish, a pothead, pretentious, annoying, and not someone I'd want to live with or hang around. But I don't think she murdered Meredith.

Knox has bigger problems than being an unpleasant woman. She is convicted of murder and slander. When she was questioned about her activities on the night of the murder, she lied. When police demonstrated that they were aware of her lies, she accused a black man of murder. That is much different than being inconsiderate, selfish, socially inept, pretentious, annoying and a drughead. To suggest that she was selfish or inconsiderate when she interfered with a murder investigation by accusing a black man of murder is an understatement. What she did is monstrous. That is who she was at the time that she was taking a language course in Perugia in 2007.

The courts have taken years to consider Knox's statements and defence in the murder of Meredith Kercher, and the evidence leaves little doubt that she is guilty.

Perhaps more murderers should be dolled up and paraded through the talking head circus so the public can get perspective on how convicted murderers talk and act when they proclaim their innocence. Prisons are full of people that proclaim innocence, so any convicted murderer would come up with similar bizarre phrases about "body parts" and "corpses" to describe their best friend victims.

 

[otto]

Granted - but actually, her translated sections on her blog do not seem favorable to her in the least.

Perhaps we are supposed to think that yet another psychotic Italian prosecutor and judge and jury are being mean to her, so she continues to be a poor little victim ... and we should feel sorry for her?

 

[SMK]

Perhaps we are supposed to think that yet another psychotic Italian prosecutor and judge and jury are being mean to her, so she continues to be a poor little victim ... and we should feel sorry for her?

In fact, that is exactly what Andrew Gumbel's piece in the Guardian is stating....... :waiting:

 

[whoanellie]

In fact, that is exactly what Andrew Gumbel's piece in the Guardian is stating....... :waiting:

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

 

[SMK]

Great article. Thanks for posting it.

welcome .......

 

[Amber29]

In fact, that is exactly what Andrew Gumbel's piece in the Guardian is stating....... :waiting:

The same Andrew Gumbel that was RSs ghostwriter? Unfortunately that taints any article he writes on this case now. They couldn't even stick to the case facts for the book.

 

[SMK]

The same Andrew Gumbel that was RSs ghostwriter? Unfortunately that taints any article he writes on this case now. They couldn't even stick to the case facts for the book.

Yes, that is being noted on TJMK. He is the same author.

 

[otto]

Gimbel seems to have the expectation that, during a murder investigation, investigators must commit to their first theory and they must not modify that theory at any time. For example, he states that the size 37 shoe print in the bedroom was first compared to Sollecito. Because of this, police cannot then compare the print to Knox. If they do compare the print to another person and conclude that the print belongs to another person, they must be bumbling fools.

Who is the bumbling fool ... the author or the investigators?

 

[Footwarrior]

Gimbel seems to have the expectation that, during a murder investigation, investigators must commit to their first theory and they must not modify that theory at any time. For example, he states that the size 37 shoe print in the bedroom was first compared to Sollecito. Because of this, police cannot then compare the print to Knox. If they do compare the print to another person and conclude that the print belongs to another person, they must be bumbling fools.

Who is the bumbling fool ... the author or the investigators?

Early in the investigation, a shoe print expert for the prosecution declared a print in the murder room as a definite match to Raffaele's Rebocks. This match was the basis for the arrest of Raffaele. The defense later pointed out that the print did not have the same number of circles as the sole of Raffaele's shoes a difference that is apparent to even a layperson. That print was however an exact match for Nike Outbreak 2 shoes in the size listed on an empty shoe box found in Guede's apartment. Yes, the shoe print expert was a bumbling fool.

The alleged female shoe print is just a partial print from the Nike shoes that Guede later admitted to wearing on the night of the murder. It has the same pattern as the other shoe prints found in the room. There is no scientific basis for attributing this print to Amanda.

 

[otto]

Early in the investigation, a shoe print expert for the prosecution declared a print in the murder room as a definite match to Raffaele's Rebocks. This match was the basis for the arrest of Raffaele. The defense later pointed out that the print did not have the same number of circles as the sole of Raffaele's shoes a difference that is apparent to even a layperson. That print was however an exact match for Nike Outbreak 2 shoes in the size listed on an empty shoe box found in Guede's apartment. Yes, the shoe print expert was a bumbling fool.

The alleged female shoe print is just a partial print from the Nike shoes that Guede later admitted to wearing on the night of the murder. It has the same pattern as the other shoe prints found in the room. There is no scientific basis for attributing this print to Amanda.

Murder investigations are fluid until trial. The theory of the crime does change as evidence is interpreted. Is it problematic that investigators re-evaluated evidence prior to trial and, if so, why? For example, if police had not re-evaluated eye witness testimony, Patrick Lumumba would be in prison. How would that advance the course of justice?

 

[Footwarrior]

Murder investigations are fluid until trial. The theory of the crime does change as evidence is interpreted. Is it problematic that investigators re-evaluated evidence prior to trial and, if so, why? For example, if police had not re-evaluated eye witness testimony, Patrick Lumumba would be in prison. How would that advance the course of justice?

The cause of justice is advanced by following the evidence to a suspect, not by forcing the evidence to fit a suspect.

 

[otto]

The cause of justice is advanced by following the evidence to a suspect, not by forcing the evidence to fit a suspect.

When police released Patrick from prison, they were following the evidence and hot on the trail to discovering the identity of the suspects.

 

[blue22]

I know this is not a popular opinion, but...

I don't think Amanda is a murderess.

I think (based on the pro-prosecution books & Amanda's own book) that she is (or at least was at the time she was doing her sudy abroad) inconsiderate, socially inept, selfish, a pothead, pretentious, annoying, and not someone I'd want to live with or hang around. But I don't think she murdered Meredith.

I agree. I think she is someone who I wouldn't want in my life. I don't think she was EVER really a friend to Meredith. I doubt they even liked each other. I don't think she cared about her. I think she (at that time. I have no idea about now obviously) cared about anyone but herself. She is selfish and was stupid and vapid about Meredith. I still don't think she murdered Meredith. I think she showed how self important and absorbed she is after the murder. I don't think that proves her guilty and I don't think the evidence was there either. I don't agree with the ruling.

I don't want her convicted, because no one can stand her. I want her convicted, because there is no reasonable doubt. IMO, there was a ton of doubt.

 

[BritsKate]

To my mind, and to be really bluntly honest, if investigators were really trying to make evidence fit a suspect then Lumumba and Guede would likely have been the only ones charged and convicted. Not a caucasian American woman and certainly not a caucasian Italian man. For all its advancement, racism and xenophobia still very much abound in Europe.

 

[redheadedgal]

To my mind, and to be really bluntly honest, if investigators were really trying to make evidence fit a suspect then Lumumba and Guede would likely have been the only ones charged and convicted. Not a caucasian American woman and certainly not a caucasian Italian man. For all its advancement, racism and xenophobia still very much abound in Europe.

i think this theory falls apart after one considers the crimes (escalation theory anyone?!) attributed to RG in the weeks leading up to the murder and the fact police never properly investigated him, much less charged him.

http://masseireport.wordpress.com/contents/rudy-hermann-guede/

 

[blue22]

To my mind, and to be really bluntly honest, if investigators were really trying to make evidence fit a suspect then Lumumba and Guede would likely have been the only ones charged and convicted. Not a caucasian American woman and certainly not a caucasian Italian man. For all its advancement, racism and xenophobia still very much abound in Europe.

To me, it's only an international super story with AK involved. For the exact reason you state. Two black guys murdering a girl isn't a story. It seems like that's what they wanted from the beginning.

 

[otto]

To me, it's only an international super story with AK involved. For the exact reason you state. Two black guys murdering a girl isn't a story. It seems like that's what they wanted from the beginning.

The murder of Meredith Kercher will always be a true story. It will always be an international story because a British student was murdered in Italy.

The murderers are from Italy, the USA, and the Ivory Coast. The murderers do not make it a "super story". If the murderers were all born in Italy, it would still be an international story. The murderers are the people that should be forever silenced and forgotten.

 

[Footwarrior]

To my mind, and to be really bluntly honest, if investigators were really trying to make evidence fit a suspect then Lumumba and Guede would likely have been the only ones charged and convicted. Not a caucasian American woman and certainly not a caucasian Italian man. For all its advancement, racism and xenophobia still very much abound in Europe.

Yes, racism and xenephobia does exist in Europe, but you must also recognize that both Amanda and Raffaele were considered outsiders in Perugia. Amanda was American and Raffaele was from a different region of Italy.

We know that the investigators considered Amanda a suspect before the evidence had been analyzed because they bragged about solving the case entirely by psychological methods.

http://youtu.be/sWkZPWRS3N0