Motivation Report has been released

[BritsKate]

I've only loosely followed this case since the original conviction. Check in on it every so often but I've likely forgotten much since the trial. Do those who know it better think Knox and Sollecito don't push the Guede card because of what he could say or do in retaliation? It strikes me he has little to lose as his appeal's a done deal and yet, he's still never been truly forthcoming about the night Meredith was murdered. Last I heard, he stated the truth would never be known if the court kept listening to people like Mario Alessi.



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[Footwarrior]

I find it disheartening that Meredith's family believes Amanda Knox has the full support of Americans. I don't believe that's the case at all.

I wish they knew that most Americans have grown bored with Knox and plenty of us are also waiting for her extradition in the name of justice. IMO


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I find it disheartening that Meredith's family was mislead by a nut case prosecutor into believing that Amanda was responsible for their daughters death.

I also find it disturbing that Geude is allowed to leave prison to study only a few years after committing such a brutal murder and sexual assault.

 

[Kavya01]

I find it disheartening that Meredith's family was mislead by a nut case prosecutor into believing that Amanda was responsible for their daughters death.

I also find it disturbing that Geude is allowed to leave prison to study only a few years after committing such a brutal murder and sexual assault.

Be that as it may re: Guede's privileges, for me personally it's harder to stomach the fact that some of the accomplices had the money to hire spinners, thus attempting to dodge all responsibilities.

 

[Amber29]

I've only loosely followed this case since the original conviction. Check in on it every so often but I've likely forgotten much since the trial. Do those who know it better think Knox and Sollecito don't push the Guede card because of what he could say or do in retaliation? It strikes me he has little to lose as his appeal's a done deal and yet, he's still never been truly forthcoming about the night Meredith was murdered. Last I heard, he stated the truth would never be known if the court kept listening to people like Mario Alessi.



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Yes I believe they don't want to push RG into talking. Even back in 2007 RS in his prison diary wrote about "being scared he would invent strange things" when discussing not being calmed by RGs arrest. That is an odd thing for an innocent person to say.
Find that here on the one dated nov 20th

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Raffaele_Sollecito's_Prison_Diary_(Translated)

I will be very surprised if we ever hear from RG. He has had that letter read in court where he does name AK and RS but he was not questioned beyond admitting he wrote it. As was his right, he was only in court to talk about Mario Alessi.

 

[Footwarrior]

I've only loosely followed this case since the original conviction. Check in on it every so often but I've likely forgotten much since the trial. Do those who know it better think Knox and Sollecito don't push the Guede card because of what he could say or do in retaliation? It strikes me he has little to lose as his appeal's a done deal and yet, he's still never been truly forthcoming about the night Meredith was murdered. Last I heard, he stated the truth would never be known if the court kept listening to people like Mario Alessi.

Amanda and Raffaele don't know anymore than the rest of us regarding what Rudy Guede did on that horrible night. While Meredith was being murdered, they were a half kilometer away spending a quiet night together.

Amanda had been introduced to Rudy once at a party downstairs. She may also have served him once or twice while working at Patrick's bar. There is no evidence that she ever socialized with Rudy. There are no records of phone calls, text messages or email between them. Raffaele had never even met Rudy.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Amanda and Raffaele don't know anymore than the rest of us regarding what Rudy Guede did on that horrible night. While Meredith was being murdered, they were a half kilometer away spending a quiet night together.



Amanda had been introduced to Rudy once at a party downstairs. She may also have served him once or twice while working at Patrick's bar. There is no evidence that she ever socialized with Rudy. There are no records of phone calls, text messages or email between them. Raffaele had never even met Rudy.

I really don't want to debate the entire case again. I'd much rather discuss *new* stuff.
I doubt there are many fence sitters left, and both sides have reached their final conclusions.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

Amanda and Raffaele don't know anymore than the rest of us regarding what Rudy Guede did on that horrible night. While Meredith was being murdered, they were a half kilometer away spending a quiet night together.

Amanda had been introduced to Rudy once at a party downstairs. She may also have served him once or twice while working at Patrick's bar. There is no evidence that she ever socialized with Rudy. There are no records of phone calls, text messages or email between them. Raffaele had never even met Rudy.

And there in lies the answer. They have the murderer but the problem is that this prosecution will not back down because they will look bad and that bothers them more than putting the wrong people in prison.

 

[BritsKate]

I really don't want to debate the entire case again. I'd much rather discuss *new* stuff.
I doubt there are many fence sitters left, and both sides have reached their final conclusions.


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This is new. :biggrin:

<modsnip>
Much more, including the trace on the knife, that couldn't be tested, that was, at link:
http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/

 

[redheadedgal]

I completely agree with you. It should've always been about Meredith, unfortunately a PR firm IMO is responsible for making AK the victim. Many people that know of Amanda Knox don't even know Meredith Kerchers name at this point. It's a sad fact, Meredith's name should never be forgotten.

These attacks were carried out by persons that refused to believe that Knox/Sollecito/Guede acted together in the murder of Meredith Kercher. The personal attacks against officers of the court were supported and encouraged by Knox, her family, her PR team, and her fans. I had the impression that these people believed that they could influence the verdict by damaging the reputation of the court. It didn't work.

and john kercher doesn't write for UK media? and have influence over there? i recently read his book... it has, as sherlockh writes, some "typos".

Lol...

there is a lot of laughter in this thread... i hope there is nothing funny about a woman brutally murdered in her own home?

Could you please provide a link to the document ... one that does not route through the blog of a convicted murderer. Thx.

no -- i cannot. the fact i've repeatedly linked to docs found on anti-amanda sites renders this remark somewhat childish. mods have said to "use what we've got" in previous threads. the attempt to suggest these photocopied docs have been altered is just sad imo.

 

[redheadedgal]

I wish they knew that most Americans have grown bored with Knox and plenty of us are also waiting for her extradition in the name of justice. IMO

most americans?

is there a cite for this?

i saw a recent poll that said the exact opposite.

No point discussing this since this should be linked.

glad to see this written... i asked for links a few days ago... are they now forthcoming?

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[whoanellie]

This is new. :biggrin:



Much more, including the trace on the knife, that couldn't be tested, that was, at link:
http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/

I don't read Italian so I haven't been able to read the Nencini report. I've read numerous examples of major mistakes that Nencini made in understanding and interpreting the forensics in this case.

 

[aa9511]

What I read between the lines of all of Knox's statements is "you can't prove I did it" , " you don't have enough evidence to convict me" ....

The above comes through waaay louder and stronger than her lame attempts of proclamation that she did not do it.


Edited to add... I've also noticed Knox's constant use of RS and keeping him close to her....meanwhile, RS is distancing himself more and more from her.

It's gonna get mighty interesting and the ship continues to sink IMO

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bbm

Yes, I too noticed at least a couple of distinct times in the Chris Cuomo "interview" where she purposefully put in "Rafaelle and I."

I think this is to contain the chance that RS might someday, after all his appeals are up, decide to do a "tell-all" if he has to go to prison while Amanda does not.

 

[Footwarrior]

no -- i cannot. the fact i've repeatedly linked to docs found on anti-amanda sites renders this remark somewhat childish. mods have said to "use what we've got" in previous threads. the attempt to suggest these photocopied docs have been altered is just sad imo.

It is a way of diverting the argument away from the flaws in the prosecution case. Just a few posts back, it was implied that Knox supporters used Photoshop to fake the proof that the purported female shoe print in the murder room was just a partial print fron Rudy's shoes.

 

[BritsKate]

I don't read Italian so I haven't been able to read the Nencini report. I've read numerous examples of major mistakes that Nencini made in understanding and interpreting the forensics in this case.

Then I guess it's a really good thing that the Italian justice system allows for defendants to not only appeal on any grounds but also contest an appellate ruling.

 

[sherlockh]

glad to see this written... i asked for links a few days ago... are they now forthcoming?

The Hellmann report was translated years ago. The Nencini report has not been translated yet so we can not verify the text nor context. That is a huge difference. Hellmann''s racism was clear from passages such as this one:

the sudden choice, by two young people, good and willing to help [disponibili] others, of evil for evil’s sake, just like that, for no other reason (hence the aggravating circumstance of trivial reasons argued by the Prosecutor). [A choice that is] all the more incomprehensible because it was aimed at supporting the criminal actions of a young man, Rudy Guede, with whom they had no relationship (there is, for example, no evidence of phone calls or text messages between the three young people) and who is different from them in personal history, character and human condition.

 

[redheadedgal]

Debunked many years ago.
http://themurderofmeredithkercher.c...based_on_the_theory_of_a_.22satanic_ritual.22

i would call UK journalist peter popham, who actually was in italy reporting for the trial and appeal/acquittal, more reliable than that site. follain too mentions it in his book, which has often been cited by those who believe in guilt as being the most accurate. i think otto even once posted a positive review of the book.

plus, it seems those who believe in guilt reject the innocence sites, so it confuses me why the guilt sites would be posted as definitive proof of something ??

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This is a good review of the Motivation Report. It is written by a journalist that is fluent in both English and Italian.

http://thefreelancedesk.com/amanda-knox-trials-meredith-kercher-case/

awesome link! thanks.

He categorically rules out contamination. Even in the case of the bra clasp catalogued by police but only collected 46 days later, had Sollecito’s DNA been fruit of contamination it would have been found elsewhere and on other objects taken from the scene that day, such as on Meredith’s blue sweatshirt where Guede’s DNA was found, he wrote, not just on the tiny hook of the bra clasp.

so, if more than one dna trace of RS was found, that would suggest contamination, but would not indicate his presence or involvement in the crime?

is this really logical?

The Hellmann report was translated years ago. The Nencini report has not been translated yet so we can not verify the text nor context. That is a huge difference. Hellmann''s racism was clear from passages such as this one:

i was so hoping that the quote about "history, character, and human condition" would be cited (although no link was provided i see)...

history -- does not speak to race
character -- does not speak to race
human condition -- does not speak to race

It can be described as the unalterable part of humanity that is inherent and innate to human beings and not dependent on factors such as gender, race, culture, or class. It includes concerns such as the meaning of life, the search for gratification, the sense of curiosity, the inevitability of isolation, and the awareness of the inescapability of death.

Human condition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

still unproven, imo.

 

[redheadedgal]

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The entire cottage is a crimescne, hence the tape on the front door not on Meredith's bedroom door.

yet according to one of the prosecutors --giancarlo costagliola-- the outside handle of kercher's bedroom door was not tested "b/c that handle was outside the room where the murder took place" (ie, not the crime scene)

@ 21:00: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vgr6x

 

[sherlockh]

i would call UK journalist peter popham, who actually was in italy reporting for the trial and appeal/acquittal, more reliable than that site. follain too mentions it in his book, which has often been cited by those who believe in guilt as being the most accurate. i think otto even once posted a positive review of the book.

plus, it seems those who believe in guilt reject the innocence sites, so it confuses me why the guilt sites would be posted as definitive proof of something ??

No, a journalist is certainly not definite proof. Especially since he wasn't allowed to attend the closed court session. If this came up in court then there should be court documents of it. There isn't even a verbatim quote of any prosecutor discussing satanism. This came from a defense lawyer who was exaggerating and not quoting the prosecutors.

Prosecutors "alleged it was some kind of Satanic rite", with Amanda allegedly first touching Meredith with the point of a knife, then slitting her throat, while Sollecito held her by the shoulders, from behind, Guede held her by an arm and tried to sexually assault the victim, Maori said.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/66777/British-student-had-throat-slit

 

[Amber29]

yet according to one of the prosecutors --giancarlo costagliola-- the outside handle of kercher's bedroom door was not tested "b/c that handle was outside the room where the murder took place" (ie, not the crime scene)

@ 21:00: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vgr6x

I was under the impression it wasn't tested because they knew so many touched it before the door was opened. The results wouldn't be reliable for anything. Had nothing to do with them considering it not part of the "crimescene" being on the outside of her room. That quote is being taken out of context IMO. It's not meant to limit the crime scene to behind Meredith's door. If that was the case they wouldn't have bothered doing any testing in the rest of the house.

 

[Harmony 2]

This thread is not a general discussion thread. It is a topical thread about the msm articles regarding the newly released motivation report. If you don't have anything to discuss about the report, with a link to msm, then maybe we need to consider whether the thread needs to be closed.

There are way too many off topic posts.. please stay on topic.