MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #4

[southernyankee]

BBM. That just can't be, GD and VL in Courtland? Just ask any of the locals, there aren't any gangs in Courtland.

Oh, touché.

But gotta love how in this case, things that are swept under the rug or denied one week come out in the mainstream media wash during the next.

Rinse + repeat? ;-) and maybe the truth will follow.

 

[DexterMorgan]

They keep saying turf wars but the town only has one gas station? Idk. I think its just youngsters trying to display bravado in a small town. Jmo.

 

[katydid23]

They keep saying turf wars but the town only has one gas station? Idk. I think its just youngsters trying to display bravado in a small town. Jmo.

Gray said most gang activity in the Panola County area involves Gangsters Disciples and the Mafia Insane Vice Lords. “They are killing each other every chance they get.” The battle between them, according to Gray is basically over turf, which leads to the ability to commit crimes for profit. - See more at: http://www.newsms.fm/fear-gangs-retaliation-delay-justice-jessica/#sthash.E09t6ZNV.dpuf



It seems it is not contained within the town itself. It flows over the borders throughout the entire county. jmo

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

MSM article from 2012 also covered the gang-related shooting deaths of two men(I think brothers). LE is quoted as saying it was gang-related. I don't have the link, but it was posted several times before.Sheriff made it clear in that article that gangs had taken root locally.

 

[southernyankee]

It seems it is not contained within the town itself. It flows over the borders throughout the entire county. jmo

Oh hello, the FBI Vault online. What's this? A 20-ish year old report that still might be relevant?: http://vault.fbi.gov/gangster-disciples

"Information to date indicates that of the approximately 20 street gangs identified in Memphis, there are three or four accountable for the majority of the criminal acts committed. The BLACK GANGSTER DISCIPLES and the VICE LORDS are the two major gangs identified by law enforcement in the mid-1980's. The BGDs are currently the most visible and the most violent."

Also: "They [the BGDs] are located geographically in the South and Southwest Memphis where heavy recruiting is being conducted in the middle and high schools. Member complement includes the sub-groups, the Gangster Disciples (GDs), the Gangster Disciples Queens (GDQs), a female gang, the Maniac Disciples (MDs), and the Insane Disciples (IDs)."

...it's more like, these particular gangs/culture spread to Panola County initially from Memphis; the origins of which can further be traced to Chicago.

 

[DexterMorgan]

MSM article from 2012 also covered the gang-related shooting deaths of two men(I think brothers). LE is quoted as saying it was gang-related. I don't have the link, but it was posted several times before.Sheriff made it clear in that article that gangs had taken root locally.

It is easier for LE to say that a crime is gangrelated. The truth is that sometimes LE will not investigate to get a real motive. Somtimes there are deeper explanations but the paperwork and investigation is simpler if they put down gang related. Plus I don't trust LE to investigate thouroughly down there. Just like they will say a young teen is a run a way without fully checking to see if they were llured away by a disquised on-line adult predator. Jmo. But I doubt multiple gangs share the same gas station with out a shootout everyday. Now let's say the gas station only had one gang hanging out there selling drugs and prostitution. Don't you think the other gang will be shooting that spot up everyday for that prime realty. Jmo.

 

[katydid23]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...yn-Jones-15-murdered-Bremen-In-Found-12-19-14

Desirae Ann Kathryn Jones 15, murdered Bremen, In. Found 12/19/14
Cause of death is blunt force trauma, she was partially burned. She was found in an area that is wooded, called "Little Egypt" a common hangout for teens and is often used for parking and drinking.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/still...ounty/30357882

http://www.wndu.com/home/headlines/P...286614841.html


I doubt there is any connection, just another young girl set on fire and dumped in the woods...:cry:

 

[katydid23]

It is easier for LE to say that a crime is gangrelated. The truth is that sometimes LE will not investigate to get a real motive. Somtimes there are deeper explanations but the paperwork and investigation is simpler if they put down gang related. Plus I don't trust LE to investigate thouroughly down there. Just like they will say a young teen is a run a way without fully checking to see if they were llured away by a disquised on-line adult predator. Jmo. But I doubt multiple gangs share the same gas station with out a shootout everyday. Now let's say the gas station only had one gang hanging out there selling drugs and prostitution. Don't you think the other gang will be shooting that spot up everyday for that prime realty. Jmo.

But sometimes overlapping gangs 'divide' the spoils. One gang gets heroin and one gets meth, etc. That is what happens i certain LA neighborhoods, where the Mexican mafia has overlapping sub-groups. They agree to disagree and both make money.

 

[DexterMorgan]

For 9 decades the cops have always blamed a rival mafia family for a killing. But the truth is; a lot of those mob guys was killed by their best friends. So blaming the rival gang will always be the perfect scapegoat for all involved. Jmo.

 

[LunaDreams]

Hi everyone, great sleuthing Some thoughts as I catch up...

"We know what happened to her," said District Attorney John Champion.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...to-her-killer-theyre-coming-for-you/20543785/

I know it's from a while back but I find this wording interesting. Something HAPPENED to her before the murder, besides being set on fire. Kidnapping, Rape, Drugs, Assault of another kind? Something other than what we are privy to happened to her, most likely against here will.

I know some disagree, but I find that fact that when asked where she was going by AA, JC was vague and said "somewhere" If it were really to clean car or eat she would have said that instead. Like 'Oh I'm going all the way to ChikFilA in ____, even though it's out of the way, just dying for that sauce!' It seems she was solemn and vague about where she was going because she knew it might be bad news/in danger. She was not looking forward to it and she knew something might happen IMO.

The DRT and GM video is one of our best clues to what the LE knows IMO. While I don't think either of them are a main suspect, their body language and choice of wording help us partially understand the feelings in the town. Obviously, IMO, the term "lovers quarrel" was used by LE not either interviewee. I think that is obvious because of how DRT says lovers quarrel almost sarcastically and proceeds to smirk when GM says good friend. A specific incident must have occurred between the three of them, more than the mentioned text. Since 'good friend' seems to be a cover for the actual relationship we have to speculate as to what it could be. It could be drug dealer, which is why I think they looked so uncomfortable - you hold a towns drug dealer up for half the day and there are probably many 'itchy' people out that day haha! I really can't imagine that it would be romantic. JC's other BF was cute as far as a teen would think - GM not so much. Her standards could not have plummeted that far! IMO

What I wouldn't do to know what GM was going to say after "..I..." and DRT interrupted. That move makes me think these two are more on an even playing field as far as comfort level and power between them. She clearly has his back. I think they look uncomfortable because they have been sober for hours.

I had a friend who got out of a tough spot by being a massage girl on backpage. She had a friend similar to GM that kept her safe, and took a cut. I have not seen any evidence to show me that JC was involved in that - just threw it out there because it would be an easy way for someone no one else knows to have access to JC. Also because it would leave an interesting electronic trail that would be fairly simple for the FBI to track. Although, I also happen to know the girls who did this would have a second "burner" phone they used to contact clients - which would hold many identities that might want to be kept anonymous. This is just speculation and MOO. Just trying to offer scenarios other might not have explored.

Lastly just wanted to add, even though it's frustrating when we want to discuss things from forbidden sources here, I am so glad to come sleuth with open minded people with no ulterior motives, and know that almost everything here is verified fact - that is invaluable to us so we can stay on the right track and not get distracted by rumors that send us down the wrong road. I can ask a question here and be confident in the answer. Thank you Bessie for keeping us on the right track!!

 

[SStarr33]

It seems that some guys like getting females to smoke the hard drugs because this helps ensure that the female will soon sell her body to get high. Now the less attractive guys use this to their advantage on strung out nice looking females that would have never giving some of these guys the time nor day. So Sad.

Take a look at Rachel/Denise in the video and on her SM. She could be drop dead gorgeous and so could ShaSha.

 

[Roselvr]

Ever since reading jaimiefind's post with the maps, the layout, between Batesville, and Highway 55, the most recent link post up thread by SStarr33, makes me wonder about a scenario of a turf war and Jessica Chambers as a pawn to bring on the heat, but then again that may involve a large numbers of people saying nothing. Would fear alone explain that?

Do you mean Skibaboo's Map? I did a search of all the threads, did not see a map by jamiefind. If there's another can someone post in the **Media Thread***

Body Found In Burning Pickup In Millington - Washington said he is unsure of the body was dead before the pickup caught fire.

This scene is reminiscent of what happened to Jessica Chambers in Panola County, Miss., but investigators are not drawing any conclusions or connections to that case. The pickup was found burning in a ditch on the side of this road, investigators are looking into every possibility at this point.

"For now we are considering this a suspicious situation," Washington said.

Man found dead in burning truck identified as Cleate Andrew Davis, 51. Davis' death is being investigated as a homicide.

"The body was positioned on the passenger side, leaning toward the driver's side," said Shelby County Sheriff Office Spokesman Chip Washington.

Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 901-258-CASH.

 

[FindHG]

Do you mean Skibaboo's Map? I did a search of all the threads, did not see a map by jamiefind. If there's another can someone post in the **Media Thread***



Man found dead in burning truck identified as Cleate Andrew Davis, 51. Davis' death is being investigated as a homicide.

"The body was positioned on the passenger side, leaning toward the driver's side," said Shelby County Sheriff Office Spokesman Chip Washington.

Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 901-258-CASH.

Sorry for not being clear. PeterThomasFan's maps, jaimiefind's drive, Starr's turf war info and less important how the layout of the place changed for me. Thank you for asking and the information, as well. Hope you caught this. Jessica's sister went and saw the flowers.

 

[SStarr33]

Found another gas station that is strikingly similar to M&M First Stop. If you didn't know any better, you would think they were owned by the same person.

Not alluding to any connection. Just found it interesting while surfing Google Maps and its location in regards to GM.

Panola First Stop:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.324...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sLWECz5u-OjjRCIktn4pUPA!2e0

M&M First Stop:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.248...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sinZ-eTnNNfR_dvZQMkXtaA!2e0

Here is the business lookup for MS:

https://corp.sos.ms.gov/corp/portal/c/page/corpBusinessIdSearch/portal.aspx?#clear=1

 

[machiado]

GM is with the Mafia Insane Vice lords, according to the article about his arrest two years ago. Possibly the former BF of JC (who is now in Iowa), as well as some family and associates in Courtland, are with Gangster Disciples. Does anyone here have an MSM link about that family's connection to Gangster Disciples?

From the article at: http://www.newsms.fm/fear-gangs-retaliation-delay-justice-jessica/#sthash.sdlWsS4x.dpuf

“It’s very possible the criminal element has such a strangle hold, if you will, that people are fearful to talk,” said Herold Gray with the Madison and Rankin Counties District Attorney office. “There is significant gang presence, statewide, particularly in that area. Whether not its part of this case remains to be seen.”

Gray said most gang activity in the Panola County area involves Gangsters Disciples and the Mafia Insane Vice Lords. “They are killing each other every chance they get.” The battle between them, according to Gray is basically over turf, which leads to the ability to commit crimes for profit.

If anyone suspected, questioned, or known to be involved with Jessica's death is a member of either of these gangs, then the silence is unsurprising. Even if Jessica herself was not a member of a gang, it sounds like it's nearly impossible that she hadn't interacted with members of them in a town that small.

 

[machiado]

Is it possible JC did not go to the Batesville station because it is in Vice Lords territory and/or a hangout for Vice Lords?

Here is the business lookup for MS:

https://corp.sos.ms.gov/corp/portal/c/page/corpBusinessIdSearch/portal.aspx?#clear=1

 

[machiado]

Is it possible that "lovers quarrel" is a euphemism for strife between different gangs?

Hi everyone, great sleuthing Some thoughts as I catch up...

"We know what happened to her," said District Attorney John Champion.

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/...to-her-killer-theyre-coming-for-you/20543785/

I know it's from a while back but I find this wording interesting. Something HAPPENED to her before the murder, besides being set on fire. Kidnapping, Rape, Drugs, Assault of another kind? Something other than what we are privy to happened to her, most likely against here will.

I know some disagree, but I find that fact that when asked where she was going by AA, JC was vague and said "somewhere" If it were really to clean car or eat she would have said that instead. Like 'Oh I'm going all the way to ChikFilA in ____, even though it's out of the way, just dying for that sauce!' It seems she was solemn and vague about where she was going because she knew it might be bad news/in danger. She was not looking forward to it and she knew something might happen IMO.

The DRT and GM video is one of our best clues to what the LE knows IMO. While I don't think either of them are a main suspect, their body language and choice of wording help us partially understand the feelings in the town. Obviously, IMO, the term "lovers quarrel" was used by LE not either interviewee. I think that is obvious because of how DRT says lovers quarrel almost sarcastically and proceeds to smirk when GM says good friend. A specific incident must have occurred between the three of them, more than the mentioned text. Since 'good friend' seems to be a cover for the actual relationship we have to speculate as to what it could be. It could be drug dealer, which is why I think they looked so uncomfortable - you hold a towns drug dealer up for half the day and there are probably many 'itchy' people out that day haha! I really can't imagine that it would be romantic. JC's other BF was cute as far as a teen would think - GM not so much. Her standards could not have plummeted that far! IMO

What I wouldn't do to know what GM was going to say after "..I..." and DRT interrupted. That move makes me think these two are more on an even playing field as far as comfort level and power between them. She clearly has his back. I think they look uncomfortable because they have been sober for hours.

I had a friend who got out of a tough spot by being a massage girl on backpage. She had a friend similar to GM that kept her safe, and took a cut. I have not seen any evidence to show me that JC was involved in that - just threw it out there because it would be an easy way for someone no one else knows to have access to JC. Also because it would leave an interesting electronic trail that would be fairly simple for the FBI to track. Although, I also happen to know the girls who did this would have a second "burner" phone they used to contact clients - which would hold many identities that might want to be kept anonymous. This is just speculation and MOO. Just trying to offer scenarios other might not have explored.

Lastly just wanted to add, even though it's frustrating when we want to discuss things from forbidden sources here, I am so glad to come sleuth with open minded people with no ulterior motives, and know that almost everything here is verified fact - that is invaluable to us so we can stay on the right track and not get distracted by rumors that send us down the wrong road. I can ask a question here and be confident in the answer. Thank you Bessie for keeping us on the right track!!

 

[Suthrnqt]

Subscribing....

 

[SoHelpMeGod]

Is it possible that "lovers quarrel" is a euphemism for strife between different gangs?

I'm thinking that perhaps "lovers quarrel" might be based on use of some type of coded language related to a drug offer. ie, Mister sends Jessica a text to let her know he has something to sell. And her response is (just an example) "no, I don't love you anymore" which might mean "I'm not using anymore" or "I'm not interested" (if she never used), etc.

I watched part of a 45 minute screen capture of Jessica's funeral on YouTube last night. I think Jessica had definitely been in a faith based program rather than a standard "battered women's shelter". She heard Linda Oliver speak on 10/25/14 according to Oliver (who spoke at the funeral). I think there may have been something else in JC's past, and that person(s) set her up. The "else" could have been with someone in the gang/drug circle, but not stealing drugs or threatening to snitch. Or, it could have been unrelated to the gang/drug circle. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Just my 2 cents and insight into the behavior displayed in the GM/R/DT interview. One word comes clearly to mind - grooming. Whether intentional or not, those that have a history of behavior such as GM tend to entice, manipulate, and exploit vulnerability. I do not know R/DT personally, but my guess would be she didn't come from a stable home life. Someone with low self-esteem (no matter how much bravado they display) is very vulnerable to predators. I spent my teens/early 20's in an area much like Courtland, MS (about 3 hours south west). Due to "life happens" circumstances, as an adolescent I went from upper middle class military officer's daughter to living in the projects to very poor, pretty much overnight. That does a number on a young girl. Money, finding favor with someone in a higher position in the cultural/social hierarchy (for protection, credibility, sense of security), sense of acceptance, and stability are very alluring especially if they don't get those things at home. While all those things may be offered by the "higher up", once one aligns themselves with that ilk, oft times it's too late for the vulnerable party to just exit stage left, kwim? They now perceive/have seen/experienced the dangerous side of this person(s). However feel limited in their ability to escape that way of life, (i.e., learned helplessness). While behavior displayed by R/DT may seem paradoxical or contradictory, it makes absolute sense to me on a self-preservation level. If you knew someone you were dependent upon (for whatever reason) had the means to harm you, would you not have that person’s back both verbally/physically? By her “speaking out” it shows loyalty, which is beneficial, unless it’s against someone on the inside. IF JC was trying to leave this type of situation while remaining in close proximity, well…to me, that takes an incredible amount of courage. Again, like everything else this is purely in my opinion, although much of it is based upon personal experience and statistical studies/data.

Hopefully this made some kind of sense. I’ve been watching/re-watching so many of these related videos and news stories, I’m a bit loopy. lol

Thanks, this is what I saw as well.