MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #6

[Ms Pragmatic]

Perhaps by the car. Supposedly her Dad gave her the car. They may have known that it was formerly his car, or that it was the car that she was currently driving. Small town. JMO

Good point. in a town of 400-500 people, I imagine one would recognize most of the cars.

 

[bessie]

Links for reference. These also can be found in the opening post of this thread.

Skibaboo's Map

MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, Panola County, Dec 2014 **Media Thread***NO DISCUSSION***

Who's Who and Timeline

 

[ZOOL]

They must have DNA if it is true they swabbed George Mister. And didn't they say they DNA tests were one of the tests they are waiting on to come back?

Mister and Tudor both are quoted as saying something about a "love affair". Mister also states that he was sampled for DNA.

One might assume that LE has reason to believe that someone left tell-tale DNA.

Suppose Jessica Chambers was pregnant; perhaps only 6-8 weeks. Even though her body was 95% torched the DNA of the fetus would have survived the fire.

 

[4senthia]

JC must have identified herself. the articles say she was unrecognizable but they soon realized who she was. other than self identifying, how did they realize who she was? she did not become recognizable somehow, did she?

Good questions....
Perhaps they were able to quickly run the VIN or were able to make out the license plate numbers? The shots we have seen of the car are after the other firemen proceeded to extinguish what was left of the car I think. So its possible the car wasn't as completely burnt yet even tho it was engulfed. I seriously don't think JC could form words IF lighter fluid (as earlier thought) was poured down her throat and squirted in her nostrils. It could even be that her cell and her purse/wallet were thrown free from the fire. Many unknown factors still.
:moo:

 

[Yvettea]

Mister and Tudor are quoted as saying something about a "love affair". Mister also states that he was sampled for DNA.

One might assume that LE has reason to believe that someone left tell-tale DNA.

Suppose Jessica Chambers was pregnant; perhaps only 6-8 weeks. Even though her body was 95% torched the DNA of the fetus would have survived the fire.

Well ... she'd been in that shelter.

 

[absentia]

if JC were pregnant and the DNA on the EMBRYO already came back, it would be good to know if anyone has been brought in for questioning recently. anyone know how to find the jail logs where people like G.M. sign in for questioning?
if there was a "baby" as the result of an affair, it could result in a "lover's quarrel". and if the man who fathered a baby during an affair was also the father of a child with the woman he lives with, that could be motive enough for her to get rid of the woman and possible baby that would threaten her family.

also, being 19 could explain JC's clothing, but being pg and having put on extra weight suddenly/recently would also explain the baggy clothes and sleepy days.

 

[bessie]

They must have DNA if it is true they swabbed George Mister. And didn't they say they DNA tests were one of the tests they are waiting on to come back?

I wouldn't read too much into it. JMO, but I believe the swab was a matter of routine, taken on the presumption that foreign DNA might be identified in lab results. I'd venture to say GM was one of many who were asked to give a sample.

 

[Yvettea]

Seems like Mr. and Tudor were more confused than anything else about having been questioned. The lover's quarrel was probably suggested by the police. I had the impression they hardly knew Jessica so Tudor smiled when Mr. said good friend.

 

[AdamJacobAaronsMama]

That's a missing person case and my point remains the same. Good luck persuading a jury that the husband helped his jealous wife kill his current lover. We've seen cases where husband and wives together have killed past lovers but I'm not aware of any case where the target is the current lover. If somebody could enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.

If I'm remembering the past few exchanges in this side conversation, somebody seems shocked that a man would kill his lover over a jealous wife. Men have killed lovers (Erin Corbin's killer, the killer Caesar Laurean--a Marine at Camp Lejeune in NC who killed fellow pregnant marine) and in both of those cases the wives seem to know about the affair and likely the murder too based on their comments-can't say with certainty that the motive was exclusively for their jealous wives, but in both cases their "love allegiance" was with the wives hence why they killed their lovers. If I am recalling correctly the wife of the man who killed Erin Corbin is said to have stated that they will never find Erin-- turns out her body was at the bottom of a mine.

David Graham killed his "lover" with his girlfriend Diane Zamora because she was jealous of the sexual relationship with the other girl. It was quite a brutal murder.


As for JC, it is quite possible that A lover did it, if he was emotionally tied to another woman.

 

[FindHG]

I'd like to test a hypothesis but need a little help. Can anyone investigate the names of those who were in the county jail on the date this occurred and compare those names to any mentioned in MSM as commenting or speaking about the case? It may be a dead end but I have a little hunch based on what is portrayed about the jail and C.O.P.

It would also be interesting to know who was recently released, prior to the crime, I suppose.

 

[SteveP]

While it is certainly possible that she was, we have seen nothing to suggest that Jessica was pregnant, and if she was, I would wager that enough people would have known it that we would have heard about it before now. Not even any of the sites that are agressively conjuring up theories have suggested that. JMO

ETA...and with this post, I am stepping back for a while until there is a real break in this case. There are just so many theories being floated now and all we can do is talk about what ifs and wait for information to be released. I do pray that whoever is responsible for this young woman's death will be caught and held accountable, and pray that it is sooner rather than later.

 

[AdamJacobAaronsMama]

Oh, I definitely think a one perp crime is possible. I agree about the secret-keeping. This was so heinous that if multiple people were involved, at least one would have to have a conscience and be wracked with guilt. I know I couldn't go on "as usual" if I had anything to do with this crime...even if it was as an accessory after the fact.

While I agree that it could be just one person, I will say that I would keep quiet if I had knowledge of a crime if I felt my family would be in jeopardy for opening my mouth. For example, if someone threatened the lives of my children--esp. If I knew that person had connections and could still follow through with his threats even behind bars.

 

[absentia]

If I'm remembering the past few exchanges in this side conversation, somebody seems shocked that a man would kill his lover over a jealous wife. Men have killed lovers (Erin Corbin's killer, the killer Caesar Laurean--a Marine at Camp Lejeune in NC who killed fellow pregnant marine) and in both of those cases the wives seem to know about the affair and likely the murder too based on their comments-can't say with certainty that the motive was exclusively for their jealous wives, but in both cases their "love allegiance" was with the wives hence why they killed their lovers. If I am recalling correctly the wife of the man who killed Erin Corbin is said to have stated that they will never find Erin-- turns out her body was at the bottom of a mine.

David Graham killed his "lover" with his girlfriend Diane Zamora because she was jealous of the sexual relationship with the other girl. It was quite a brutal murder.


As for JC, it is quite possible that A lover did it, if he was emotionally tied to another woman.

does this somehow make the wife feel better despite the betrayal? that is the guy kills for her, he is really committed to her? even though he has been unfaithful? does it create some sort of amnesia in the betrayed wife?

 

[ZOOL]

Great point, I agree. The spot of the car fire, in my opinion, was not random.

I agree. I think 2344 Herron Road was a well familiar rendezvous point for many Courtland friends and lovers. I think the fact that the car was pulled far off the road, up the incline, and in the darkness was a familiar technique for people to go unobserved. Jessica's mother said she last saw Jessica leave around 6 pm. We then find Jessica at the end of Carlisle Road, pulling into M&M at 6:24:39pm. For a few mintues, she could have been next door with Charlotte Wilkerson before she arrived at M&M. Perhaps to bemoan a pressing problem.

Jessica seems to be preoccupied before she exits her vehicle, perhaps on the phone. "Sha-sha" Wilkerson is listed in her phonebook. Perhaps they were discussing a continued conversation of "the problem". Then, later, we have Jessica on the phone with her mother, sometime either 6:48 (end of call) or 7:10 (end of call), apparently discussing for a lengthy period alternative plans to the ones she and Jessica may have discussed prior to 6pm.

On Dec 10, we have Charlotte Wilkerson saying, "...they left the part--...er, I left the party... and something went wrong?&^%$".

As you know, there is not a lot of time between 7:10pm and 8:13pm for anyone to "party" in the sense of enjoying friends and camaraderie. However if a party was already in progress, and if Jessica knew that she was going to meet with someone from that party, then a mutually acceptable, and close by, rendezvous locale might suggest 2344 Herron Rd. (*note: I use the 2344, but I've also used 2355 and 2364...Google really isn't very accurate. The 2344, I believe, is the reference from the Panolian article, written on Dec 9).

Why would Jessica go to the trouble to meet with anyone? Perhaps she badly needed to discuss something extremely pressing.

 

[AdamJacobAaronsMama]

OK. So Haley never heard anything about "walking on fire" and when fire rescue arrived, it was discovered that she was on the ground "near" the car. TY JMO Wonder who told her Dad that she was walking "on fire". ?? JMO

maybe he just assumed she walked because her car door was open and she was lying on the ground. He might've figured she left the car on fire to the spot on the ground.

 

[AdamJacobAaronsMama]

While it is certainly possible that she was, we have seen nothing to suggest that Jessica was pregnant, and if she was, I would wager that enough people would have known it that we would have heard about it before now. Not even any of the sites that are agressively conjuring up theories have suggested that. JMO

ETA...and with this post, I am stepping back for a while until there is a real break in this case. There are just so many theories being floated now and all we can do is talk about what ifs and wait for information to be released. I do pray that whoever is responsible for this young woman's death will be caught and held accountable, and pray that it is sooner rather than later.

Since most people don't find out they are pregnant until 6,7,8 weeks pregnant it is feasible she herself just found out, therefore maybe she and the guy are the only ones who knew. It wouldn't be the first time a man killed a woman he got pregnant.

 

[New1]

It's not strange at all. I posted verification in another thread but now I can't find it. The 911 caller saw her walking and on fire. The first responders found her lying down when they arrived.

I have not read anywhere that the 911 caller said she was walking down the road on fire. I saw on a news clip where Jessica's dad said this, but nothing about the 911 caller saying it. If you happen to find that verification, please post it. TIA

 

[absentia]

Since most people don't find out they are pregnant until 6,7,8 weeks pregnant it is feasible she herself just found out, therefore maybe she and the guy are the only ones who knew. It wouldn't be the first time a man killed a woman he got pregnant.

it's true. and pregnancy is a time women are more likely to be victims of DV.
"Possibly associated with unintended pregnancy..."
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/violence/intimatepartnerviolence/sld001.htm

"One in 6 abused women reports that her partner first abused her during pregnancy, and according to the Centers for Disease Control, at least 4 to 8 percent of pregnant women report suffering abuse during pregnancy."
http://www.babycenter.com/0_domestic-violence-during-pregnancy_1356253.bc

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Since most people don't find out they are pregnant until 6,7,8 weeks pregnant it is feasible she herself just found out, therefore maybe she and the guy are the only ones who knew. It wouldn't be the first time a man killed a woman he got pregnant.

Made me think of the Shast* Himelr*ck thread on WS here.

Many similarities, IMO.

Moo

 

[NineMilly]

It would also be interesting to know who was recently released, prior to the crime, I suppose.

I wasn't clear in my original post because of being rushed for time, sorry. What I would like to know, is if there were any people listed as "in custody", "hold", etc. when this happened, who in all actuality, were verifiable, as free on the streets, when this occurred. In other words, was there an individual who was supposed to be in custody that truly wasn't on this evening?