MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #6

[monster]

I will say one thing for those murky websites...among all the garbage they print are probably some things that will turn out to be truths, and even if they have agendas, they are about all that is keeping this story in the news, and they MAY make enough noise to push LE to get to the truth. For all the bad press they get, and deservedly so sometimes, I fully believe that they are what pulled the FBI in, and I think we can all agree that that may be our best hope for seeing Jessica's killer(s) brought to justice.

Definitely agree about those sites. Usually rumors have a shred of truth, its just so tiresome to dissect the fact from fiction. They have done so much work and do care about Jessica and fighting for her justice. Sad and frustrating we can't discuss them but its understood.

 

[FindHG]

you could widen that to abusive males (and females) in her life. It's a culture of trauma perpetuating trauma.

anyway, in thinking more about the idea of JC being drugged, I am really leaning that way. I hadn't considered it before. But if she were trying to get out of the life, getting her hooked again would be the goal of anyone who gained anything from her previous activities. maybe it wasn't even a warning, but an attempt to get her (back?) on drugs (meth most likely, but could be anything). getting her to go to the party was important to get her to ingest substance(s) willingly or not.

I don't think she was of a mind set to party, go to a party, dressed for it, intended it, covered for it, or otherwise. Whomever she ran into may have gotten to her against her will, knocked her out, and whatever happened, the perp/s may have taken her to that spot to stage it, the burning and perhaps an accident, with the intention to destroy evidence, distance it from themselves and to get away, it seems to me.

 

[absentia]

I don't think she was of a mind set to party, go to a party, dressed for it, intended it, covered for it, or otherwise. Whomever she ran into may have gotten to her against her will, knocked her out, and whatever happened, the perp/s may have taken her to that spot to stage it, the burning and perhaps an accident, with the intention to destroy evidence, distance it from themselves and to get away, it seems to me.

right. she didn't seem or look ready for a party, but LE has stated that witnesses placed her at the party.

 

[LambChop]

seriously. the msm thing is a hindrance. if we can't know or discuss anything msm doesn't state, no one will ever figure anything out. msm is surface level.
I wish discussing other publications would be ok if there was no slander or libel or accusations. limiting sleuthing of people to who have been named in MSM seems like a good parameter.

You may only use MSM or LE released information. Other publications are not acceptable as reliable information sources.

 

[StacyMarie83]

would that interview be a.m. by chance?!?

 

[carbuff]

Here's a thought -- probably just because I'm up too late.

What if the intent was to disfigure her, not kill her? And they squirted lighter fluid or something all over her face and lit it, to scar her? If she ducked or fought, they might have gotten a lot of the fluid on her clothes and in the car that could have spread the flames.

Dunno whether that makes sense or not.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Definitely agree about those sites. Usually rumors have a shred of truth, its just so tiresome to dissect the fact from fiction. They have done so much work and do care about Jessica and fighting for her justice. Sad and frustrating we can't discuss them but its understood.

BBM

I think that sometimes rumors have a shred of truth but not the majority of the time. In my opinion rumors are usually agenda based or morph as they get passed and can therefore hinder more than help.

JMO.

 

[octobermoon]

would that interview be a.m. by chance?!?

Yes it is. I checked his website. The station also has a "play live" button.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I thought for sure, at first, that the whole party thing was crazy talk due to the way JC was dressed, but I will be darned if my niece didn't stop at my house last night on her way to a party with her college friends wearing those pajama/sweat pant things! I had never seen them before!

 

[wfgodot]

This may not be a popular opinion, and I promise that in no way should anything I say be construed in any way as victim blaming, but we have read that by all indications Jessica had turned her life around after her stint in the 'shelter'. She had moved back in with her mother and had just started a new job. But isn't it possible that she had not changed, but had merely played the role she knew she needed to play to get released and be able to move back home and get her car back? Perhaps she really wanted to change when she was at the shelter, but when she got back into her real world she found she was still surrounded by the same 'friends' that she had earlier.x Let's face it. I haven't seen much evidence that there were many decent, law-abiding people in her life for many years, including family. Maybe she fell back into the life she felt comfortable with and did willingly go to the 'party', thinking it would be more fun than going back home to mama. I do think she ran into more than she wanted to at the party, and I do believe she was killed as a direct result of it, and I do strongly believe that several people know exactly what and who. I am very curious to know what the autopsy and forensic tests will show. All JMO, as always.

Am right with you SteveP -- your post's well-expressed and a clear-headed assessment throughout -- but at my red "x" our thoughts diverge: mine go to the person dealing with the sea of problems by withdrawing forever from them, opposing them in that manner and thus ending them....a sad thought, yes, the opposition that would result in letting all of life go, albeit a life which must have been brutally hard for a variety of reasons, and which, as you well note, from which she may have been unable to escape. I think the victim must have succumbed to sadness and defeat.

The extra gas purchase, said to be thrice her usual buy, argues, I submit, not necessarily to one about to take a longer journey than usual -- at least on earthly roadways.

True, LE keeps telling us homicide, homicide, homicide -- but I don't put a great deal of trust in this particular crew. (I lived in OK for 15 years and think I here recognize a sort of negative commonality with LE I've seen.) Do they know more than me? Hell, I hope so! But I think with reputations at stake it can be human nature to cling to what may in the long run turn out to be mistakes made then multiplied from the case's beginning. Doesn't make these folks bad people, if they are proven wrong. No one's perfect.

One version of Occam's Razor suggests that entities must not be multiplied unnecessarily, at least in order to arrive at the simplest and thus most probable solution. But I sense that sort of convolution happening here. I may not be right -- in fact, in spite of my linking above several cases in which car fires were in actuality successful suicide attempts, my solution is not an odd's on favorite. I do, however, think it must be deeply considered by anyone taking a serious look at the psychology of the individual who perished so painfully in this case, as if, perhaps, punishing herself for a life of youthful missteps -- missteps which led reponders to a tragic scene at a secluded spot.

Requiescat in pace Jessica. May your soul be always at peace and your atoms be mingled with the shining stars above.

 

[bessie]

IMO, some of the "murky" info gathered from various "other" sources are closer to life (or should I say, reality) than most of the surface-level, sugar-coated candy MSM is feeding us. We just need to use our intellect and filter out the waste if you will. :/


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seriously. the msm thing is a hindrance. if we can't know or discuss anything msm doesn't state, no one will ever figure anything out. msm is surface level.
I wish discussing other publications would be ok if there was no slander or libel or accusations. limiting sleuthing of people to who have been named in MSM seems like a good parameter.

Point taken, and believe me, I understand completely. Rational, intelligent people should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, use discretion, and post responsibly. Unfortunately, history has proven that's rarely the case on a large public forum, and as usual, the majority suffer for the minority of users who have their own agenda, and those short on common sense. So we stick with the rules.

 

[Cajun Girl]

There should be a picture of a herd of cattle to express the 'moo' below.

Just because there was a 'party' what if I chose not believe in it's existence or the source that announced it? What if Jessica was doing exactly what she said she was doing and her goals were interrupted by another. "Party" is such a nice word, it has many connotations, none of which played out on the night of Jessica's death.

The only thing that keeps me sane here is I believe in God. I believe Jessica is Home where all that escaped her here on Earth is hers for eternity. May she shine like the beautiful Light that she is.

Moo

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Am right with you SteveP -- your post's well-expressed and a clear-headed assessment throughout -- but at my red "x" our thoughts diverge: mine go to the person dealing with the sea of problems by withdrawing forever from them, opposing them in that manner and thus ending them....a sad thought, yes, the opposition that would result in letting all of life go, albeit a life which must have been brutally hard for a variety of reasons, and which, as you well note, from which she may have been unable to escape. I think the victim must have succumbed to sadness and defeat.

The extra gas purchase, said to be thrice her usual buy, argues, I submit, not necessarily to one about to take a longer journey than usual -- at least on earthly roadways.

True, LE keeps telling us homicide, homicide, homicide -- but I don't put a great deal of trust in this particular crew. (I lived in OK for 15 years and think I here recognize a sort of negative commonality with LE I've seen.) Do they know more than me? Hell, I hope so! But I think with reputations at stake it can be human nature to cling to what may in the long run turn out to be mistakes made then multiplied from the case's beginning. Doesn't make these folks bad people, if they are proven wrong. No one's perfect.

One version of Occam's Razor suggests that entities must not be multiplied unnecessarily, at least in order to arrive at the simplest and thus most probable solution. But I sense that sort of convolution happening here. I may not be right -- in fact, in spite of my linking above several cases in which car fires were in actuality successful suicide attempts, my solution is not an odd's on favorite. I do, however, think it must be deeply considered by anyone taking a serious look at the psychology of the individual who perished so painfully in this case, as if, perhaps, punishing herself for a life of youthful missteps -- missteps which led reponders to a tragic scene at a secluded spot.

Requiescat in pace Jessica. May your soul be always at peace and your atoms be mingled with the shining stars above.

Nice post. Even if I do not agree with your theory, you made your point well.

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

Point taken, and believe me, I understand completely. Rational, intelligent people should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, use discretion, and post responsibly. Unfortunately, history has proven that's rarely the case on a large public forum, and as usual, the majority suffer for the minority of users who have their own agenda, and those short on common sense. So we stick with the rules.

Understood. And we do appreciate the leeway you have given us as far as discussing possible motives and people as long as we don't accuse.

 

[swedie]

Still no arrest. I believe in time there will be justice for Jessica. LE may have someone in their sights but need a little more time and evidence. MOO.

 

[SteveP]

Still no arrest. I believe in time there will be justice for Jessica. LE may have someone in their sights but need a little more time and evidence. MOO.

I sure hope you are right. Part of me thinks that when DNA and other forensic evidence comes back, there may be one or more arrests. After all, I'm thinking most everyone in that town must have DNA on file for one felony or another. But then I also feel like some testing should have been completed by now, and we have seen nothing to indicate LE is any closer to an arrest than they were on day one. JMO

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I sure hope you are right. Part of me thinks that when DNA and other forensic evidence comes back, there may be one or more arrests. After all, I'm thinking most everyone in that town must have DNA on file for one felony or another. But then I also feel like some testing should have been completed by now, and we have seen nothing to indicate LE is any closer to an arrest than they were on day one. JMO

Reminds me of the Skylar Neese case. They had one of the participants talking, but didn't charge right away because they needed evidence on the other girl involved. Took a while, but I think they eventually found spot of blood in a car. Sometimes, the knowledge is there, but the evidence isn't. Would be nice to think that LE KNOWS who killed her, but just can't prove it yet.

 

[absentia]

Point taken, and believe me, I understand completely. Rational, intelligent people should be able to separate the wheat from the chaff, use discretion, and post responsibly. Unfortunately, history has proven that's rarely the case on a large public forum, and as usual, the majority suffer for the minority of users who have their own agenda, and those short on common sense. So we stick with the rules.

:cheers:

was looking for a "respect" button/icon but couldn't find one.

 

[MyBelle]

I will say one thing for those murky websites...among all the garbage they print are probably some things that will turn out to be truths, and even if they have agendas, they are about all that is keeping this story in the news, and they MAY make enough noise to push LE to get to the truth. For all the bad press they get, and deservedly so sometimes, I fully believe that they are what pulled the FBI in, and I think we can all agree that that may be our best hope for seeing Jessica's killer(s) brought to justice.

ITA. I think there are several kernels of truth scattered around and it takes time to sort it out. Perhaps what pulled the FBI in was the social media chatter that a drug cartel was operating out of that gas station which looks run-down, dirty and has signs obscuring the view to the inside. How does that place stay open? Where does the profit come from? It's on an old stretch of highway in a rural community. No way would I stop there and buy anything at all.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

you could widen that to abusive males (and females) in her life. It's a culture of trauma perpetuating trauma.

anyway, in thinking more about the idea of JC being drugged, I am really leaning that way. I hadn't considered it before. But if she were trying to get out of the life, getting her hooked again would be the goal of anyone who gained anything from her previous activities. maybe it wasn't even a warning, but an attempt to get her (back?) on drugs (meth most likely, but could be anything). getting her to go to the party was important to get her to ingest substance(s) willingly or not.
I am hoping this was the case bc that would eliminate premeditated arson as the intent, which is too awful to accept. and it would simplify the issues of gangs, race, retaliations/warnings/jealousy etc. It would be an "accidental OD" which was covered up to an extent that caused death. maybe the theoretical cover-up of the theoretical OD wasn't even meant to kill her, just to cover up the OD. if she were obviously burned, but not fatally, and had previously died of an OD (or was perceived to have died), people may have thought there would be no lab testing done bc of the burns.

She may have been forced to ingest drugs but I don't believe she did so willingly because I doubt she had any money to pay for them. The one thing that really bothers me--and I'm not sure if it is fact or rumor--that the seats were reclined in her car and the parking brake was engaged. Reclining the seats would make it easier to move an unconscious person from one seat to the other. Putting the brake on would ensure it didn't roll back down that incline and onto Herron Rd.

The evidence seems to suggest she was driven there, intentionally set on fire and left to die. If the perp wanted to "escape" on foot, all he/she had to do was climb the gate.

JMO