MS - Jessica Chambers, 19, found burned near her car, Panola County, 6 Dec 2014 - #6

[4senthia]

DNA usually doesn't survive a very intense fire. For instance cremation so experts say. Depending on where dna/other genetic material/prints are left on a vehicle it is possible for some to survive.
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[cady]

DNA usually doesn't survive a very intense fire. For instance cremation so experts say. Depending on where dna/other genetic material/prints are left on a vehicle it is possible for some to survive.
:moo:

Wouldn't that depend upon her internal body temperature? She did live for several hours, and if she did speak (which I doubt) she had the brain function to do that. JMO * fuel down her throat would destroy evidence of oral sex, but could survive in other orifices. UGH. JMO

 

[suspicious1]

I thought someone mentioned earlier a case where fire actually preserved semen? Anyone recall?

We're thinking along the same lines....I hate to be so graphic and mods please feel free to delete if I cross the line but...
What if semen was left "inside" her...mouth...vagina...after being sexually assaulted....that could be a reason to pour some type of accelerant down her throat, kwim?

We question the reason for setting her on fire....my money is on semen....not a tattoo.

JMO

 

[SStarr33]

The date on the top of the page shows January 6. It does appear to be something that is old due to it mentioning funeral arrangements. I am assuming that it is an older article that was updated, but I am not certain. I sent an email to the publisher, who's name is also linked to this article a few minutes ago. I asked if he could clarify on whether or not this is an article that has been recently updated. If I get a response from him, I will post it.

Interesting middle/maiden name on the first reporter listed.

 

[suspicious1]

Or, she did not really say anything, and "eric" was SAID to be a name that she gurgled, precisely BECAUSE it is such a generic (pardon the pun) name..... all of the names ending in"eric(K) so, far, that we have seen belong to black locals. It can never be proven that she did NOT speak, but, if she did, it was only Cole Hayley who heard her, as far as we know. JMO

I believe she said something that sounded like Eric. The one Eric they interviewed on TV said LE hunted him down by calling his mother and I think his grandmother...immediately after they found her. And they went looking for him because "someone" told LE he was the only Eric they knew.and he didn't live far from the crime scene...or shall I say, the "second crime scene" because I believe something happened to her before ending up where she did.

JMO though

 

[Ms Pragmatic]

I believe she said something that sounded like Eric. The one Eric they interviewed on TV said LE hunted him down by calling his mother and I think his grandmother...immediately after they found her. And they went looking for him because "someone" told LE he was the only Eric they knew.and he didn't live far from the crime scene...or shall I say, the "second crime scene" because I believe something happened to her before ending up where she did.

JMO though

Jumping off of your post here, do you think raped, beaten, knocked unconscious and then driven to Herron Rd? Is that your line of thinking? Then start the fire and leave her for dead with the hopes of destroying evidence in the process?
If that is along the lines of what you are thinking...how many perp(s) do you think are involved and where do you think crime scene #1 is? I'm asking because it is actually a theory I have considered quite a bit. I thought maybe crime scene #1 could possibly be farther down Herron not far from where she was found.

 

[PeterThomasFan]

Very early on, there was a MMS that referenced the owner of Alsanai's convenience store/gas station also owning commercial property in Batesville. Does anyone remember this and know the address? I do remember at the time thinking that building could be used as warehouse/storage for goods sold at Alsanai's convenience store. I am wondering about its location in reference to the 203 Pearson carwash.

This post

Found another gas station that is strikingly similar to M&M First Stop. If you didn't know any better, you would think they were owned by the same person.

Not alluding to any connection. Just found it interesting while surfing Google Maps and its location in regards to GM.

Panola First Stop:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.324...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sLWECz5u-OjjRCIktn4pUPA!2e0

M&M First Stop:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.248...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sinZ-eTnNNfR_dvZQMkXtaA!2e0

Same owners btw.

 

[4senthia]

DNA usually doesn't survive a very intense fire. For instance cremation so experts say. Depending on where dna/other genetic material/prints are left on a vehicle it is possible for some to survive.

~~even tho i know it has been widely reported Jessica spoke/tried to speak, is that very likely? or was it just agonizing utterances? guess it depends on whether she had flammable fluid poured in her throat, cause if she did she probably wouldn't have viable vocal chords to do so.horrible thought, horrible thing to type~~
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[suspicious1]

It seems to me that she could not have been afraid of where she was going after buying gas, or she wouldn't have gone there. I think that she was lured to someplace where someone she wanted to see was. I think that she was lured by the prospect of seeing someone. WHO? Was it someone who was out of jail for the weekend? A new relationship? An old relationship?.... If it was unfinished business from what she had been up to prior to her Christian retreat hiatus, it is likely that it was not GOOD business. If it was to settle a dispute, she would have known that she was in danger. What was she planning to do or see that diverted her from her plan? Or was the plan just to divert her mother from thinking anything nefarious was going on? 20 minutes is a long time to talk to Mom, if she had just left the house and was returning in an hour or so. I think there may have been a bit of an argument between them, in that 20 minute call. JMO

Good questions.

I think she was lured by a female....someone she thought was her friend.

I mean back in my days I didn't go to a gathering or party without at least one of my girls....and if I went alone it was only because at least one of my girls were already there.

JMO

 

[4senthia]

Some info on arson death evidence procedure:
http://www.interfire.org/res_file/lab.asp
Least desirable collection areas:
a. Deeply charred wood.

b. Gray ash.

c. Edge of a hole burned through a floor.

d. Samples from absolutely nonporous surfaces.

e. The center of any burn pattern.

f. In general, areas exposed to greatest heat, hose streams.

All victims, dead or alive, may be a source of evidence. These victims may not be at the scene when you arrive, they may have been transferred to the hospital or morgue. To recover this victim-borne evidence:

1. When you arrive on scene, you should immediately secure information on any injuries and fatalities and the location of those victims. Pursue these victims as soon as possible for any information you can get from interviewing a live victim, as well as securing potential trace evidence from the person, alive or deceased.

2. Do not disturb any bodies at the scene. Secure the location of the body so it can remain undisturbed and call the coroner as per the protocol in the interFIRE VR Tutorial section entitled Handling Injuries and Fatalities. The location, position, and condition of the body may tell you how the fire spread or started.

3. For all victims, secure the clothing and shoes, as they may contain trace evidence such as accelerants, hair, or fiber.

:thinking:jmo

 

[machiado]

I don't see why there couldn't be recoverable DNA from a rape kit.

MDOC collects DNA of inmates who committed violent felonies. Can fingerprints and/or DNA survive a fire?

 

[suspicious1]

Jumping off of your post here, do you think raped, beaten, knocked unconscious and then driven to Herron Rd? Is that your line of thinking? Then start the fire and leave her for dead with the hopes of destroying evidence in the process?
If that is along the lines of what you are thinking...how many perp(s) do you think are involved and where do you think crime scene #1 is? I'm asking because it is actually a theory I have considered quite a bit. I thought maybe crime scene #1 could possibly be farther down Herron not far from where she was found.

Yep...Yep....and Yep

Exactly. I think there are at least 2 involved in the sexual assault but a few more knows about it because maybe they were there. Maybe they didn't see it but they heard it, kwim?

I think the first crime scene is not far from where she was found....I don't think someone would've want to drive very far with her in the car...the longer the ride the more time out there to be spotted or even caught. I am thinking it happened at someone's house maybe during this "party".

 

[suspicious1]

I don't see why there couldn't be recoverable DNA from a rape kit.

Lord knows I hope they did...

But if there was semen from multiple men...I would think it would increase the processing time of the rape kit...idk

 

[MizStery]

1/13/10 -
<snipped> Batesville, was arrested and charged with trespassing and hunting from the road. The case will be heard in Justice Court.
http://www.panolian.com/contentitem/162977/1180/arrest-log-011910

2/19/10 - <snipped> Batesville, pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct- failure to comply and was place on the city work program for 12 days to satisfy the $640 fine.
http://www.panolian.com/contentitem/165674/1180/city-court-021910

4/27/10 -<snipped>, Batesville, was arrested and charged with burglary and grand larceny. The case will be heard in Justice Court.
http://www.panolian.com/contentitem/174347/1180/sheriffs-report-5410

9/6/10 -<snipped>., Batesville, was arrested and charged with bond surrender for burglary/grand larceny. The case will be heard in Circuit Court.
http://www.panolian.com/mobile/?MemberID=1180&action=contentitem&itemid=188118
Hays Street to Pearson Street is right around the corner: :thinking:

:lookingitup: I'm hopeful I have a nugget of a clue. MOO

 

[absentia]

That's a missing person case and my point remains the same. Good luck persuading a jury that the husband helped his jealous wife kill his current lover. We've seen cases where husband and wives together have killed past lovers but I'm not aware of any case where the target is the current lover. If somebody could enlighten me, I'd appreciate it.

I know there are cases where couples, usually women manipulated by men, will seek out a third partner (female) for the man to rape, and then they kill her together. But that's a specific scenario which is limited by time. usually a day or two. i suppose something like that could have happened here over a longer period of time? the gf/wife allows the man a sex toy, then they plot to kill her off together - it's like bonding for crazies.

 

[MyBelle]

I know there are cases where couples, usually women manipulated by men, will seek out a third partner (female) for the man to rape, and then they kill her together. But that's a specific scenario which is limited by time. usually a day or two. i suppose something like that could have happened here over a longer period of time? the gf/wife allows the man a sex toy, then they plot to kill her off together - it's like bonding for crazies.

Such a scenario would be very difficult to pull off without detection in such a small community. Everybody knows everybody. Jessica's murder comes across as an act of retaliation, imo. Her parents have given the impression they believe she was lured and that seems to fit the circumstances of how she was found.

JMO

 

[imkeylime]

See May 7th, 2009 for another arrest for DV. http://www.panolian.com/contentitem/134653/1180/panola-county-arrest-log

Entered a plea of guilty for DV and fined. http://www.panolian.com/editionview...fba&Page=791b7a92-b6ef-4e47-8a1b-c940054412b4

Whoa ... didn't see that coming. Interesting.

 

[MizStery]

I included the link back to the thread #5 screen if anyone wants the back story to these posts.


Poster RANCH,"The fire makes the timeline pretty tight for anyone to try & make up alibi"
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ola-County-Dec-2014-5&p=11345268#post11345268

*!Originally Posted by RANCH
The fire makes the timeline pretty tight for anyone to try and make up an alibi. JMO.




* Originally Posted by absentia
The 911 call could be very suspicious. who in earth would keep driving and not stop to help? could have been one of the people involved who didn't expect it to go so far.




* Originally Posted by New1
Do we really know that the 911 caller DIDN'T stop? Do we really know the 911 caller DIDN'T also report seeing a person "walking down the road on fire" as well as a car fire? It's been reported that she was walking down the road on fire AND that she was lying near her car according to first responders. Which one is right?



Just great posts! I would love to know the answers. :lookingitup: Thanks to all! MOO​

 

[prallypie]

There might have been a carwash at 204 Pearson at one time, but if so, it is not there now. It is an empty lot with some concrete pads and a decaying sign.

I know its been a bit, but just wanted to point out that on the edge of the empty lot, there is what appears to be a small garage. If you look close, you can read "Car Wash" on the buildings sign, and when you go further up the street 198 Pearson St is the Batesville Corner store.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.315...ata=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sz1xS_mmoqdkkoDf4tDQWoQ!2e0

 

[absentia]

I don't change my mind very often, as I usually make very informed decisions. Although I thought this was DV homicide at first, I have changed my mind about it.
I still think it's DV related, but I am on board with the "jealous female" idea. Not so much as a jealous female, but as a female perpetrator of a DV-like homicide. A domestic relations situation, but with the female as the perpetrator of violence, not out of a fit of jealousy, but from the same reasons men abuse women - entitlement and the belief they have the right to PUNISH the victim.
She may be the victim of DV herself, past or present, and has learned this behavior or is seeking ways to find control and power, and/or seeks to protect her ego from the reality of being victimized by becoming perpetrator.

This woman would have a grandiose sense of her place/position in her family and her domestic relationship, giving off the impression she is the queen when really she feels very inferior and her man frequently strays. her lack of control over her man's infidelities and her sense of inferiority causes her to punish the other female(s) she perceives to be threatening her relationship/family WHEN SHE HAS THE CHANCE TO DO SO. she feels completely justified in what she has done and she feels good about the stability of her position and her family for the moment. she feels she has saved her family. she and her man have probably trauma-bonded over this experience if he participated at all, making them seem or feel closer for now, when really her man will stray again and again. He allows her to blame the other women to avoid responsibility and will be complicit in the destruction of one of his flings to maintain his role and to allow his wife to believe he has done nothing to wrong her. she has a fantasy ideal of her family - happy mom (her), dad and child. it is too threatening emotionally and psychologically to admit her man is the problem, and not the other women. she uses control and co-dependence to get her man to give the appearance of dedication and faithfulness, but this is temporary and fleeting for him. He feels controlled and restricted, and hides things from her (bc he is probably a selfish, disrespectful and dishonest person). She sense this and this anxiety about him is projected onto his other women, as it's too threatening for her to admit he's a cheat and not her adoring husband. She has totally de-personified and demonized JC in her mind as the source of all evil and all the problems in her life and probably feels relief of her anxiety, and seems happy and free right now. Although she believes herself to be a good person, she rationalizes what she has done as necessary for the betterment of her family and does not feel guilt. she does not perceive it to be a bad thing. She can protect herself from the horror of it bc it has given her the control she needed and therefore is justified as the means to the end - her stability and control. She also uses her position at her job to make herself feel important and valuable, although it is a low position, it is better than most others around her. she has some power over others at work that makes her feel good about herself. she probably mis-uses her power at work and has employees/co-workers who resent her treatment of them. she is not unattractive, but she is jealous of other women's attractiveness and will attempt to ridicule them or use their features as a way to criticize them to make herself feel better/in control. She is ultimately proud of what she's done as she is very family centered and will not allow anyone to get in the way of her perception of her happy family.

I know there is a culture of "side (women "*****es")" that some married/committed men in gangs have. It must be hard for the wives/gf's to be forced to accept these mistresses simply bc it's the culture to do so. It is an abuse to suffer through an affair. maybe someone snapped.

This is simply my imagination of the type of woman who could/would do this kind of thing to a 19 yo girl, if it is a female perp.

JC's past is full of so many people and events/experiences that seem relevant to what happened to her that it's hard to imagine they have nothing to do with it, and it was something totally unexpected like this.