MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/13/11

[In da Middle]

And, just thinking out loud here, what would SB's husband JB, think now to know she was outside talking with a new neighbor, S. Beagley for an hour. Could JB have been there stalking the entire time while DB was awake and then he saw S. Beagley come back and hang out with his wife alone (assuming she put the 4 year old daughter to bed). I could imagine he wouldn't be happy to see SB celebrating the fact that he had just moved out. I doubt the counselor suggested to SB to go and tie one on with the neighbor. Maybe JB came back to see what was really going on. As far as why he would take the baby, I think it was stated that there was cheating on either SB or JB's part and the Bradwins may have told on them. Don't have a link. Too tired to hunt. But you sleuthers have been here longer than me and I'm sure you get what I'm saying. Thanks. :banghead:

Now you are seeing what I am. And if he was aware of this,think about what he could have overheard the girls outside talking about. You know he was the topic of their conversation!

 

[yllek]

It has been reported that he blamed them for his breakup. I have other reasons but they are not reported. The blaming them for for his breakup is big enough for me to start with.

Thanks. The only place I saw it reported was Dr. Drew and he was clear to say it was "unsubstantiated". If there is a verified report, I'd really like to see it because I have some thoughts in that direction, but have been holding off until there was some confirmation.

Not challenging your thought or the fact that it was reported, just anxious to know if you have a substantiated report that I haven't heard about. I'm being careful. I was almost believing that Phil lived in the trailer or in the basement for awhile based on unsubstantiated reports being repeated and had developed some thoughts using that information, which seems to have since been debunked.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Well let's say she is 30 pounds. That would take a strong person (possibly man) to carry 30 pounds around for a good amount of time. What if, JB did take the baby, however he was on foot, because he came back to stalk his wife, then made it to his car with the baby on foot, then went to god knows where with baby Lisa. The river? I pray not. I just know it would be hard for me to carry 30 pounds around for too long, and I know that from carrying a ten month old around every day, up and down stairs. Not to mention the four year old hanging on me, along with a Yorki Terrier who hangs on my pants leg anytime I walk through the house, LOL.

If it was an intruder, we don't know that he carried her in his arms that long. We know of the possible sightings, but did he stop in the woods to lay her down, take a rest, take off her clothes, ????

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

Now you are seeing what I am. And if he was aware of this,think about what he could have overheard the girls outside talking about. You know he was the topic of their conversation!

Possible scenario, he did see his wife and Shane together and sent the supposed text "I love you" to her at that time. According to some she waited 20 mins to reply. That may have fanned the flames. :twocents:

 

[MissFine]

It has been reported that he blamed them for his breakup. I have other reasons but they are not reported. The blaming them for for his breakup is big enough for me to start with.

So it's a rumor?

 

[neese]

Thanks. The only place I saw it reported was Dr. Drew and he was clear to say it was "unsubstantiated". If there is a verified report, I'd really like to see it because I have some thoughts in that direction, but have been holding off until there was some confirmation.

Not challenging your thought or the fact that it was reported, just anxious to know if you have a substantiated report that I haven't heard about. I'm being careful. I was almost believing that Phil lived in the trailer or in the basement for awhile based on unsubstantiated reports being repeated and had developed some thoughts using that information which seems to have since been debunked.

I'm an avid Dr. Drew watcher but that's not where I got my info. I believe I got the info from the articles where they interviewed Gil, and also from some news articles where JB stated he passed LDT's. And also some articles that said MW, motorcycle dude, picked JB out of the lineup of pics that LE and media showed him, and that's what led to JB having to take a poly. I wish I didn't have to sleep and could hunt these links down for you. Going on memory for now. Maybe InDaMiddle has a better clue than me of some links. MOO

 

[In da Middle]

Thanks. The only place I saw it reported was Dr. Drew and he was clear to say it was "unsubstantiated". If there is a verified report, I'd really like to see it because I have some thoughts in that direction, but have been holding off until there was some confirmation.

Not challenging your thought or the fact that it was reported, just anxious to know if you have a substantiated report that I haven't heard about. I'm being careful. I was almost believing that Phil lived in the trailer or in the basement for awhile based on unsubstantiated reports being repeated and had developed some thoughts using that information, which seems to have since been debunked.

You know,i don't remember when I read it or where. I do remember that is when he immediately went up on my radar though. Then some people starting sending me links to his facebook and reading what he, himself had posted made me believe it to be possible.

I do know it was NOT from Dr Drew. I will not listen to him!

 

[neese]

You know,i don't remember when I read it or where. I do remember that is when he immediately went up on my radar though. Then some people starting sending me links to his facebook and reading what he, himself had posted made me believe it to be possible.

I gotta get to sleep, but I think some of this info we are looking for is on another thread that talks about Gil. We have double threads on him. The one saying he was turned away from the family, but then another that lists Gil Abeyta or whatever his last name is. Going on memory there again. I think our info is in that thread. MW, motorcycle guy, picked JB out of photos saying that was who was carrying a diaper clad baby at 4 a.m. Don't know if LE has debunked MW's sighting or not but him picking JB is what led to JB having to take a LDT, aka polygraph. Night all. Sweet dreams.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

It has been reported that he blamed them for his breakup. I have other reasons but they are not reported. The blaming them for for his breakup is big enough for me to start with.

Ok, so what if he did have a reason to take the baby, and he did take her, then what? What is he going to do with Lisa?

 

[yllek]

I think we're going into "theory" territory here in the MSM thread.

If someone has a link to an MSM source with a verfiied account that Mr. Brando was mad at and blamed Debbi and/or Jeremy for his marital problems, please post it. I think it may well be true, but that's just my opinion based on an assumption of circumstances and not a fact. Mr. Abeyta's opinion is only his opinion as well and I don't think he is quoting Mr. Brando or a verified source in his theory. I think we need a quote from either of the Brandos, Debbi, Jeremy, LE or substantiated MSM report to run with this as a fact. JMO...

 

[neese]

Ok, so what if he did have a reason to take the baby, and he did take her, then what? What is he going to do with Lisa?

I don't even want to answer that...or think about it. If he and his wife just had a miscarriage, then he blames the <modsnip>for whatever went on with the cheating, he could be totally delusional and have taken Lisa to make everyone pay for his own grief. Stanger things have happened. But I hate to say that he would probably want to hurt the baby to make everyone pay for his unhappiness. I pray that is not the case at all. But I don't see him hiding her in the woods and checking on her everyday either. Ya know?

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I think we're going into "theory" territory here in the MSM thread.

If someone has a link to an MSM source with a verfiied account that Mr. Brando was mad at and blamed Debbi and/or Jeremy for his marital problems, please post it. I think it may well be true, but that's just my opinion based on an assumption of circumstances and not a fact. Mr. Abeyta's opinion is only his opinion as well and I don't think he is quoting Mr. Brando or a verified source in his theory. I think we need a quote from either of the Brandos, Debbi, Jeremy, LE or substantiated MSM report to run with this as a fact. JMO...

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2011/10/20/baby-lisa-neighors-search

 

[neese]

I think we're going into "theory" territory here in the MSM thread.

If someone has a link to an MSM source with a verfiied account that Mr. Brando was mad at and blamed Debbi and/or Jeremy for his marital problems, please post it. I think it may well be true, but that's just my opinion based on an assumption of circumstances and not a fact. Mr. Abeyta's opinion is only his opinion as well and I don't think he is quoting Mr. Brando or a verified source in his theory. I think we need a quote from either of the Brandos, Debbi, Jeremy, LE or substantiated MSM report to run with this as a fact. JMO...

Yllek, I agree with you. But it seems that getting a quote from any of the above named people would be like pulling teeth. I will hunt around tomorrow and see what I find, unless somebody here finds it first. I gotta quit this addiction for tonight and get some sleep. I guess you are right as in, theory is all we really have to go on or it's possible we will never know and I cringe at the thought of that, but I also don't want an innocent person being pegged for it either. Night all....again for real this time

 

[Quizzical]

You know,i don't remember when I read it or where. I do remember that is when he immediately went up on my radar though. Then some people starting sending me links to his facebook and reading what he, himself had posted made me believe it to be possible.

I've been suspicious of JB since I heard of him. Do you think, IF he had something to do with this, that Lisa could still be alive and well somewhere? I know you don't know, but what is your gut feeling given what you have heard and read on his facebook, etc.?

 

[gliving]

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2011/10/20/baby-lisa-neighors-search

Thanks Dewey. From your link:

"“Apparently, if you remember, there was a neighbor with [Deborah Bradley] all the way until she went to bed, and the neighbor actually was reporting when the lights went off in the house and whatnot,” Drew said. “I kept asking, ‘Who's this neighbor person?’... I can't confirm this, but from a source told me, that the neighbor's estranged from her husband, and the husband was not allowed home that night, and that there was some acrimony with the neighbors.”

 

[In da Middle]

Ok, so what if he did have a reason to take the baby, and he did take her, then what? What is he going to do with Lisa?

I don't have an answer for that. That is where I am stuck on this theory. If that is what happened though, I don't feel it will have a good outcome.

 

[In da Middle]

I think we're going into "theory" territory here in the MSM thread.

If someone has a link to an MSM source with a verfiied account that Mr. Brando was mad at and blamed Debbi and/or Jeremy for his marital problems, please post it. I think it may well be true, but that's just my opinion based on an assumption of circumstances and not a fact. Mr. Abeyta's opinion is only his opinion as well and I don't think he is quoting Mr. Brando or a verified source in his theory. I think we need a quote from either of the Brandos, Debbi, Jeremy, LE or substantiated MSM report to run with this as a fact. JMO...

I tried for a bit to find it. tired. It was on a link posted here somewhere because we were discussing it then.

 

[justamommy]

Why suspicious of JB and not SB?

- she was there that night
- she knew what time DB went to bed
- she knew how much DB had to drink
- she had access to DBs drink & could have slipped her something
- she recently suffered a miscarriage (if we're allowed to mention that since Gil did regarding JB)

Although w/InDaMiddle thinking JB was involved, gives weight towards that theory. I still have a hard time believing anyone would carry a 30 lb baby for 4 hours. I don't know many people that could. If the baby was in a carrier or back pack, then really anyone could.

Military trains for carrying weight for long periods of time. They also train for interogations. Wife of retired military guy here.:twocents:

 

[justamommy]

I think we were having similar thoughts and posting at the same time!

I don't know if it's in any way related to Mrs. Brando or not and not suggesting that it is, but the "someone who cheats on her hus...." comment from Jeremy slipped into his mind and his comments for some reason. A cheating wife would not normally be on a list of profiles for a likely abductor, imo. More likely he had someone(s) or some specific scenario in mind. JMO...

I had mentioned before... JI immediately ran to her house to see if she had Lisa. Someone suggested that he might have thought she had Lisa because DB had been drinking. If that was the case, why not all 3 kids. I think his mind went to her for a reason. I have always wondered if they were close friends why didn't SB call her hubby immediately when she found out Lisa was missing. If one of my good friend's baby went missing, I would let my hubby know immediately no matter what time of day/morning estranged or not. I think there is a reason she's mum on this case.:twocents:

 

[Quizzical]

Ok, so what if he did have a reason to take the baby, and he did take her, then what? What is he going to do with Lisa?

So, if this person did take the baby and the cell phones, could that explain why they stayed in the area so close to the DB/JI home that night? Maybe they wanted to see the drama unfold. Maybe they wanted JI to know something wasn't right when he got home, so they left the lights on. He could have just left Lisa somewhere nearby to be found if he knew her family and LE was already looking for her. But then JI still wasn't home and before long this guy is gonna have to go to work too, so he took off with Lisa. Then I don't even know what to speculate might happen after that.

Of course this is all pure speculation and imagination. I don't know what to think anymore. I just wish LE would solve this case already and arrest the bad guy.