MSM coverage of Baby Lisa, 11/16/11

[~n/t~]

Very few cases involving a child, without finding the body, have been charged and gone to a trial. Almost never without at least prior abuse and/or a crime scene. I don't think anything will happen with this case if Lisa is not found. It will just become one of those mysteries, like Baby Sabrina...

I thought we had a crime scene. The floor beside the bed where human remains were detected by a cadaver dog. Maybe not.

 

[serveitup]

I thought we had a crime scene. The floor beside the bed where human remains were detected by a cadaver dog. Maybe not.

It's my understanding that a cadaver dog is a tool which may lead to evidence but a hit in itself is not evidence. If there were anything taken with baby Lisa's DNA because of the hit I think we would have heard about it by now.

 

[1tasha]

I just can't see that if you're the parent of missing child that you aren't constantly coming up with "well, what if this" or "what if that happened." Or "Maybe this is important..." Your mind has to be going a million miles a minute. I'd want to be giving LE everything that crossed my mind, I think. I don't think I'd ever consider myself finished with the process.

 

[~n/t~]

It's my understanding that a cadaver dog is a tool which may lead to evidence but a hit in itself is not evidence. If there were anything taken with baby Lisa's DNA because of the hit I think we would have heard about it by now.

I agree. I think there would be an arrest by now if it was positive along with other evidence possibly taken by those black xray thingies.

I have to believe all test results are back by now. Was there nothing at all found?

Maybe that's why they checked out NY to follow up on baby Lisa sighting from a facebook lead.

 

[cityslick]

I just can't see that if you're the parent of missing child that you aren't constantly coming up with "well, what if this" or "what if that happened." Or "Maybe this is important..." Your mind has to be going a million miles a minute. I'd want to be giving LE everything that crossed my mind, I think. I don't think I'd ever consider myself finished with the process.

If her story is really true, I'm not really sure what more she can add that she hasn't already told them. It happened when she wasn't awake, in the middle of the night. If she doesn't know MW or any of the other characters in the house, then what else is there?

 

[1tasha]

If her story is really true, I'm not really sure what more she can add that she hasn't already told them. It happened when she wasn't awake, in the middle of the night. If she doesn't know MW or any of the other characters in the house, then what else is there?

I think even if her story is true, there'd still be more going through her head. Wouldn't almost everything that happened prior to the abduction possibly mean something to her? "I was at the grocery store and this woman said 'What a cute baby!' Maybe that's significant.

 

[~n/t~]

I just can't see that if you're the parent of missing child that you aren't constantly coming up with "well, what if this" or "what if that happened." Or "Maybe this is important..." Your mind has to be going a million miles a minute. I'd want to be giving LE everything that crossed my mind, I think. I don't think I'd ever consider myself finished with the process.

I'm sure they have. I remember early on they gave LE a list of 10 people or more of possible suspects. Some including me thought who in the world has 10 people who you think would take your child but they did. Thinking back now, they probably ran through all kinds of scenarios.

If they're guilty, I want them to pay for what they did to Lisa just like that monster in St. Louis who murdered her baby boy. But there just isn't enough in this case for me to say they did it. Yes, DB got drunk and maybe baby Lisa suffered the same fate as baby Tyler but we just don't have anything to go on here even after all the searches and all the evidence gathered.

Did they outsmart LE, FBI, National Guard, cadaver dog? I don't think they did and if that's the case then I have to believe that Lisa may have indeed been kidnapped. Perhaps by someone close to the family. IDK

 

[1tasha]

I'm sure they have. I remember early on they gave LE a list of 10 people or more of possible suspects. Some including me thought who in the world has 10 people who you think would take your child but they did. Thinking back now, they probably ran through all kinds of scenarios.

I'm looking at it from a standpoint of pure innocence and not thinking they've outsmarted anyone. It just feels to me that if someone took my child and I don't know who that someone is, the world is full of people that could potentially have taken my child, you know? I don't think I'd come to a point where I've exhausted all ideas and potentially significant bits of information. I'm sure a lot of what I'd generate would seem ridiculous but I think that continuing to put it in front of LE would be a compulsion.

 

[Jaxson]

I just can't see that if you're the parent of missing child that you aren't constantly coming up with "well, what if this" or "what if that happened." Or "Maybe this is important..." Your mind has to be going a million miles a minute. I'd want to be giving LE everything that crossed my mind, I think. I don't think I'd ever consider myself finished with the process.

They may very well be doing that. We don't know what is going on because neither the parents or LE are sharing. They have said in the past that they have contact with the parents and that they are cooperating but won't sit down for separate interviews/interrogations.

We have also had to listen to a lot of JT crap. I am liking Picerno a little better but that may be because he hasn't put his foot in his mouth as many times as JT.

It is really frustrations to not have something be said. I really like when LE has press conferences. KCMO is really keeping it close. They may actually have a lot of evidence but want to get their ducks all in a row before they make an arrest. Or they may simply be at a loss for any evidence at all. Who can say? Not I.

 

[mikeysmommom]

I believe Lisa's mom as much as I believed Shelby Dasher.Wish same LE was in charge.

 

[justbetweenus]

I'm sure they have. I remember early on they gave LE a list of 10 people or more of possible suspects. Some including me thought who in the world has 10 people who you think would take your child but they did. Thinking back now, they probably ran through all kinds of scenarios.

If they're guilty, I want them to pay for what they did to Lisa just like that monster in St. Louis who murdered her baby boy. But there just isn't enough in this case for me to say they did it. Yes, DB got drunk and maybe baby Lisa suffered the same fate as baby Tyler but we just don't have anything to go on here even after all the searches and all the evidence gathered.

Did they outsmart LE, FBI, National Guard, cadaver dog? I don't think they did and if that's the case then I have to believe that Lisa may have indeed been kidnapped. Perhaps by someone close to the family. IDK

Thanks wasn't enough, great post nt. I believe the 10 names they gave police weren't specifically who they thought kidnapped their daughter, but people that had been in or around the house recently, so I'm sure anyone, including ones that stopped by for a chat or used the washroom that night were included. JMO.

 

[AngelWings444]

I'm sure they have. I remember early on they gave LE a list of 10 people or more of possible suspects. Some including me thought who in the world has 10 people who you think would take your child but they did. Thinking back now, they probably ran through all kinds of scenarios.

If they're guilty, I want them to pay for what they did to Lisa just like that monster in St. Louis who murdered her baby boy. But there just isn't enough in this case for me to say they did it. Yes, DB got drunk and maybe baby Lisa suffered the same fate as baby Tyler but we just don't have anything to go on here even after all the searches and all the evidence gathered.

Did they outsmart LE, FBI, National Guard, cadaver dog? I don't think they did and if that's the case then I have to believe that Lisa may have indeed been kidnapped. Perhaps by someone close to the family. IDK

If Misty and Ron can outsmart LE, certainly DB and JI can. Everything has changed since their first interviews, they won't answer follow-up questions. I believe they haven't answered anything since the wine video tape was released, since DB stated she was drunk and possibly blacked-out that night. There is no reason to stop cooperating with LE when your child is missing! None! If you truly had your child's best interest involved, you would answer anything, no matter how "cruel" you perceive LE to be. Give me a break, you suck it up. You put your personal ill will aside, to find your daughter. Period. JMO. :twocents: Maybe my 3 cents, or 4. :innocent:

 

[Rosemarie]

IMHO......The parents not co-operating. I think LE knows DEB did it but simply just does not have enough evidence.......that happens a lot.

I don't see them as cooperating when they won't be interviewed. Trying to come up with a reason for them to not cooperate leads me only one way-one of them is guilty and D and J know LE knows it. I see this case going cold if LE or searchers don't find little Lisa.

 

[Rosemarie]

Yes, so far DB (who I think is the perp) has outsmarted LE, the FBI and the National Guard. She didn't outsmart the cadaver dog.........the dog got a hit.
* In my thoughts


One thing possibly going for LE-DB is a drinker and drinkers talk.

 

[Rosemarie]

If Misty and Ron can outsmart LE, certainly DB and JI can. Everything has changed since their first interviews, they won't answer follow-up questions. I believe they haven't answered anything since the wine video tape was released, since DB stated she was drunk and possibly blacked-out that night. There is no reason to stop cooperating with LE when your child is missing! None! If you truly had your child's best interest involved, you would answer anything, no matter how "cruel" you perceive LE to be. Give me a break, you suck it up. You put your personal ill will aside, to find your daughter. Period. JMO. :twocents: Maybe my 3 cents, or 4. :innocent:

Repeating your post Angel, thanks isn't enough.
I think it should be read again.
bbm

 

[Rosemarie]

I believe Lisa's mom as much as I believed Shelby Dasher.Wish same LE was in charge.

You and me both mikeysmommom.

 

[AngelWings444]

Repeating your post Angel, thanks isn't enough.
I think it should be read again.
bbm

Thank you. My opinion is not the "popular" one around here these days. I just want the parents to cooperate and help LE bring their child home. Their PI/Defense attorney's are not helping to bring Lisa home. I know defense attorney and helping LE do not go hand in hand, but when it's your child, I can't imagine not cooperating.

JMO and not a popular one here.

I feel so bad for Lisa, who is on HER side? She deserved so much better than this, no matter what has happened or who is involved. You would think one could rely on their parents, especially, a helpless infant. :furious:

 

[Rosemarie]

Thank you. My opinion is not the "popular" one around here these days. I just want the parents to cooperate and help LE bring their child home. Their PI/Defense attorney's are not helping to bring Lisa home. I know defense attorney and helping LE do not go hand in hand, but when it's your child, I can't imagine not cooperating.

JMO and not a popular one here.

I feel so bad for Lisa, who is on HER side? She deserved so much better than this, no matter what has happened or who is involved. You would think one could rely on their parents, especially, a helpless infant. :furious:

I agree wholeheartedly. You and I are more interested in the baby being found than in defending her parents.
Little Lisa baby deserves to be found and whoever removed her from the house needs to be arrested so Lisa will have justice.

 

[deoneta]

I do get an icky feeling in the back of my throat whenever lawyer JT speaks to the press, but he's only doing his job, keeping his clients out of jail. It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to do it because that is how our legal system works. I am far more bothered by the parents' continued refusal to be re-interviewed. Assuming for a minute that they are not culpable, they would have to be holding out some hope for the recovery of a live child. Any tidbit, any little detail which means nothing to them out of context could lead investigators to their child. Accusatory interrogations, while doubtlessly painful, would mean nothing in the face of losing their child. But there are no further interviews, no appeals to an abductor, no vigils attended, no media interviews to keep the search going. There has to be a reason for their silence. All MOO.

 

[~n/t~]

If Misty and Ron can outsmart LE, certainly DB and JI can. Everything has changed since their first interviews, they won't answer follow-up questions. I believe they haven't answered anything since the wine video tape was released, since DB stated she was drunk and possibly blacked-out that night. There is no reason to stop cooperating with LE when your child is missing! None! If you truly had your child's best interest involved, you would answer anything, no matter how "cruel" you perceive LE to be. Give me a break, you suck it up. You put your personal ill will aside, to find your daughter. Period. JMO. :twocents: Maybe my 3 cents, or 4. :innocent:

I haven't been up to speed on Haleigh's case so whatever I post is based on my recollection. In that case, unfortunately, LE did exactly what LE did in this case . They thought they had a suspect (Misty) but no evidence whatsoever to link her to Haleigh's "disappearance". They thought they could break her into a confession and that didn't happen. With all those shady characters in and out of that home, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if someone took Haleigh and Misty/Ron had nothing to do with it. Negligent. Absolutely. Killing Haleigh? Probably not.

I think the same thing is happening here. Was DB negligent? Absolutely. Does it make her a killer? No.

This is somewhat o/t. I read a post here and am not sure if it came from something said by a reporter or not. The place where MW lives had adults coming in and out and apparently 3 or 4 children live there. All shady characters (drugs perhaps). Who is watching these children? If they can't even remember who was using whose phone, how in the world are these children safe? Do we wait until another child goes "missing" to take notice? Something needs to be done to safe guard these children. What is being done proactively so another child doesn't suffer the same fate that so many have? Do we just look away and say it's not our problem? Is CPS and LE doing the same? Unless there is evidence of abuse then it's not an issue?

I have no idea what the Bradley/Irwin home was like. I have no idea who was in and out of there. Maybe this was DB's first drinking binge or maybe not but legally, so far, LE has nothing on either one. Furthermore, there is no evidence to say baby Lisa is dead. Yes, statistics are not on her side but until she's found and/or until there is an arrest for her murder, I'll have to believe that she's out there and she could still be alive. Same with Haleigh.