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[ellen13]

I will say this. If Patsy had nothing to do with JBR's death, then she was a terrible victem. if she did, then there is karma out there in this world, and maybe she didn't get a prison sentence, but she got hers. I just wish we knew the truth. Now, john and burke are left. John has had so much loss in his life. if he didn't have anything to do with his daughter's death, then once again- a terrible victim. if he did, then look at the karma thing and all that he lost.

maybe we'll never know. i wonder if john will speak now that patsy is dead.

 

[Tricia]

Hi Tricia...

It says to me it's 'like from a cough or sneeze' not for sure a cough or sneeze and that it could be from the killer but also might not be. I don't think putting the cap back on a pen has anything to do with sneezing or coughing--those are pretty involuntary bodily functions

TexMex, my point was who in the world would spend the time to write a 3 page ransom note using the pen and paper in the house and be so considerate as to put the pen lid back on and the pen back in the container.

What killer would do this? A killer who was not worried about being caught in the house. That's who.

 

[luvbeaches]

i wonder if john will speak now that patsy is dead.

I have always believed that once Patsy passed, John would come forward and "clear" his name (and Burke's-although I have never beleived Burke was invloved). I could be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time, but in the near future I expect John to tell us Patsy confessed prior to passing away, and that he had no clue she was involved.

I also believe that Burke knows what went on...poor kid.

I guess time will tell if I am correct.

 

[narlacat]

Hi narlacat.

So the only 'truth' is Patsy killed JB? Why?
They have had years to examine these parents, the ransom note, etc. and a DA who wanted to make an arrest of the Ramseys. But there was no proof that either of them was involved.

How many boot prints were there? They are still checking the unknown DNA weekly and it's a full profile, male and not a Ramsey.

Perverts break into peoples homes all the time: BTK, Joseph Duncan....

Hi Tex
I don't think I said 'the only 'truth' is Patsy killed JBR'.
Please re read my original post
Thanks.

There was one boot/shoe print to the best of my recollection.
This is not a DNA case, rice already cooked.
Perverts do break into peoples homes, that is true..but a pervert didn't break into the Ramsey house.
There was never any intruder and if by chance there was, it was someone the Ramsey's knew and someone they are protecting.
I doubt very much there was ever an intruder.

 

[Toltec]

Nearly a decade after her 6-year-old daughter's unsolved slaying, Patsy Ramsey will be buried next to her daughter JonBenet in a suburban Atlanta cemetery, a funeral official said ...


Services will be held Thursday in The Church of The Apostles in Atlanta and Ramsey will be buried in St. James Cemetery in Marietta, Ga., where JonBenet is buried, said Terry Pendley, owner of Mayes Ward-Dobbins Funeral Home in Marietta, Ga.

...


http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=76916

RIP

Services being held in The Church of The Apostles in Atlanta....what happened to the Church the Ramseys attended in Atlanta...Peachtree Memorial, where John and Patsy were married, where Burke and JonBenet were baptised, where services were held for JonBenet???

Was it with the Pastor at Peachtree Memorial whom Patsy confessed to murdering her daughter? Was there a falling out?

 

[narlacat]

I DO BELIEVE IN KARMA. I'm a Buddhist/Taoist, and I do believe your actions DO MATTER in this life as it has in others. Something you did in another life that's very negative may impact your present life to the extent you can't or don't live a "kind" life. In Patsy's case, I wonder about her former life combined with what she did on this earth while she was here. To me, I find some of her actions (the ones I know about by fact) displayed a person with many problems and in mental disarray. It has never been a large leap for me to believe she was involved to some extent in the death of her daughter. Perhaps she didn't kill her outright or even cover for someone else, but there were other actions (child beauty pageants? for instance?) that lead me to think her decisions regarding JonBenet (a mere child dependant on her mother for good actions and decisions regarding her life) might have been a contributive factor in her child's early horrendous demise.

Just my take and I'm entitled.



gaia

Hi Gaia
I believe in karma too.
I do not believe in a little old man way up in the sky, waiting to 'judge' me.

Patsy Ramsey may think she has got away with something, but wait till the next life Pats...it will catch up with you.
There's no getting away with what you've done.

 

[sissi]

Very beautifully said Wudge!
The same people who swallowed the early misinformation, choose , knowingly to not accept the media corrections. Why is this? They believed them when the were lying, yet choose not to when this same media is forced under court orders and legal pressure to tell the truth. Why hold on to the lies?

 

[luvbeaches]

Hi Gaia
I believe in karma too.
I do not believe in a little old man way up in the sky, waiting to 'judge' me.

Patsy Ramsey may think she has got away with something, but wait till the next life Pats...it will catch up with you.
There's no getting away with what you've done.

I agree...

 

[rashomon]

And Schiller also said that he had spoken with "a few" of the grand jury members (weren't they forbidden to talk about the case?) and the ones he talked to said they couldn't indict either of the parents because - and I can't quote him verbatim, but I am not making this up - JonBenet's death was so horrendous that there is no way a parent could have been responsible.

I guess they never hear of any of the horrible, horrible acts of abuse (and murder) inflicted upon children by their own parents. I guess if it doesn't happen in Boulder, it just doesn't happen.

That whole Grand Jury proceeding was a farce, shutting out people like e. g. detective Steve Thomas and many others from testifying, not to mention that John and Patsy Ramsey themselves didn't testify either. Laughable, which is why the GJ transcripts, should they ever be published, will not be worth the paper they were written on.

 

[concernedperson]

I am not as well versed in this case as the rest of you. I try to follow when I can and the ransom letter has always screamed Patsy to me. I think she was a complicated sometimes irrational woman. In some ways she reminds me of Susan Polk.

I have seen her act out which I posted several times. It was years ago and over a very mundane thing. UPS delivery not brought to her door but left in our office for pickup. She was furious with veins protruding out of her neck and all that. Totally unacceptable behavior but she felt OK with it as she lashed out pretty good.

Her social strata did not extend to anyone who would not be submissive to her or benefit her. This is a rough statement but I can only state what I saw.

Anyone dying of cancer is especially heartfelt for me but anyone who murders someone is not. I guess I am not really on the fence at all. I just wish the courage to get justice for JonBenet would have been forthcoming.
The"secret" will die with Patsy and that is how she orchestrated it.

Her behavior or lack of control had nothing to do with cancer. Most cancer victims are reliant on support and love the whole time. Irritation over meds but no violent outbursts as they are too weak nor do they have the inclination. Just again, my firsthand experience.

 

[ANGRYWOLF]

Comparing her to Susan Polk is ludicrous....there will be justice someday.

 

[rashomon]

Among other lessons in life, parents teach and raise their children to be kindhearted, thoughtful and considerate of others.

Oh Wudge, I'm convinced that Patsy's parents told their daughters this too.
But for whatever reason, Patsy did not have this in mind on that fatal night when she inflicted a wound on JB which was 'beyond repair'.

And the 'presumption of innocence' which you mentioned applies only in a courtroom, and not on true crime message boards where people discuss homicide cases. Imo, the evidence against Patsy Ramsey (and John helping her cover up) is overwhelming. Just think of the ransom note, which has Patsy all over it.
The Ramseys' behavior also speaks volumes and just screamed guilty too.
Wudge, you are very concerned in general about people being wrongly accused.
But this does not automatically make the Ramseys part of that group.
I think they belong to another group:the group of perps who escaped justice.

 

[RiverRat]

Comparing her to Susan Polk is ludicrous.....there will be justice someday...

There is a thread for posters that would like to leave Love-Notes for Patsy's family at the top of this page.......this obviously is not the one. No apologies...

Tricia -
Come Home!

 

[BeeBee]

There is a thread for posters that would like to leave Love-Notes for Patsy's family at the top of this page.......this obviously is not the one. No apologies...

Tricia -
Come Home!

This thread is ...either....or......

Please don't tell people what they can or cannot post.

Thank You.

 

[rashomon]

TexMex, my point was who in the world would spend the time to write a 3 page ransom note using the pen and paper in the house and be so considerate as to put the pen lid back on and the pen back in the container.

What killer would do this? A killer who was not worried about being caught in the house. That's who.

Exactly. The FBI CASKU (Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit) people who consulted the investigators pointed his out too.

And TexMex, did any of the killers you mentioned ever leave behind a dead victim in the home together with a ransom note? For if not, your comparisons (BTK, etc, ) just don't apply in the Ramsey case.
You have to look at the whole scenario, not just at isolated aspects. And you will be only able to put the puzzle together if you take everything into account.

 

[TexMex]

Exactly. The FBI CASKU (Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit) people who consulted the investigators pointed his out too.

And TexMex, did any of the killers you mentioned ever leave behind a dead victim in the home together with a ransom note? For if not, your comparisons (BTK, etc, ) just don't apply in the Ramsey case.
You have to look at the whole scenario, not just at isolated aspects. And you will be only able to put the puzzle together if you take everything into account.

Hi rashomon

I just don't see anything definitive that proves the Ramseys did this. The note 'may' have similarities to handwriting, phrasing, Patsy 'may' have been mad at JB...
all speculation. I realize that parents abuse and kill kids but I just don't see that here. As for leaving a note I don't put anything past someone who would stalk a family, break into their home and harm their children. Maybe the girl was screaming or kicked the intruder and made him so angry he killed her then left instead of the original plan.

Why would Patsy/John stage a ransom note--then leave the body in their own home? They had lots of time...write the note...drive JB elsewhere to look like the abductors took her, then call the police... THAT makes no sense...

 

[EasyGruuvin]

Hi Louisa

cbsnews:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/16/48hours/main661569.shtml

Throughout the lengthy and sometimes hostile police interrogations, both in 1998 and 2000, the Ramseys maintained their innocence. Now, eight years later, 48 Hours reports that investigators are no longer focusing on the Ramsey family.

Detectives working for the Boulder district attorney now believe that one, possibly two, intruders entered the Ramsey home and killed JonBenet and they are finally concentrating their efforts on the underside of Boulder that was largely ignored during the initial investigation.
Autopsy results showed evidence that JonBenet may have been subdued with a stun gun, and then eventually killed with an intricately tied device known as a garrot.

The current investigation also focuses on the possibility of two intruders, because of two very clear, and different, boot prints in the room where JonBenet was found. And, there's another clue investigators are interested in: a rope found in the bedroom next to JonBenet's
The crime lab has two spots of JonBenet's blood found on the underwear she was wearing the night of the murder. Mixed in with that blood is the DNA of an unknown person. It has taken years to isolate, but forensic scientists in Colorado now have a complete DNA profile of the killer. They know the killer is a male. What they don't know is his name.

I read about this and I also saw a special on it ,at the time the police had refused to investigate furthur, even though there were two suspects who resided in the neighborhood, and they had found the DNA in her panties. I think it is a shame how some folks have condemed this Mother of this crime without knowing the facts . I know how I would feel if I were accused of this type a crime and I was completely innocent. I hope they are able to find the guilty party and at last, take the blame off this Mother whom I believe to be innocent. What a shame it wasnt learned before her death. May she rest in peace.

 

[close_enough]

<<God bless you Patsy Ramsey. May you now finally rest in peace with your daughter and find the serenity denied to you in life. My prayers are with you and your loving family at this time.>>

That's all well and good but JBR is NOT resting in peace.
Her soul is still waiting on closure.

you got that right!

 

[close_enough]

btw, where's BlueCrab?...his/her posts are always interesting...figured he/she would be here, posting today...

 

[sandraladeda]

Perverts break into peoples homes all the time: BTK, Joseph Duncan....

This is true, but they don't leave long-winded overly melodramatic ransom notes.

In those cases, the parents did not circle the wagons against the very authorities who were trying to solve the crime.

PR may or may not have been involved in the crime or a coverup, but she and JR did themselves no favors by hiding behind their lawyers, it only made them look guilty. I have never seen any explanation of their behavior that justifies stonewalling the police.

imho