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[Louisa]

Please don't let what you THINK a parent is not capable of cloud the facts.

The ransom note. Why aren't we hearing about the real piece of evidence in this case?

Because Lin Wood doesn't want to talk about it. Plain and simple. It points to someone in the house.

There is no question whatsoever that there was no intruder.

I encourage everyone to read, again please, at www.supportramseytruth.com

This page, thanks to the great ACandyRose, really spells it all out.

Thanks for the response, Tricia, but you know, I was in on JBR discussion since the old, old days of the Dan Trevino and BNF forums and through all manner of other forums to follow. Read it all, heard it all, discussed it all, eventually for my own sanity had to move away from Ramsey to engage my heart in other cases for a while, but have come to my own opinions after 9 1/2 years. These are certainly not uninformed conclusions by any stretch of the imagination. There will never be a meeting of the minds between the RDI theorists and those who have chosen to withhold that judgment. I did think perhaps on the day of Patsy's death, there might be a moment to agree to disagree and mark the passing of another human being, though. Not directed at you or anyone in particular, but it's clear to see the rancor and divisions still eat away at those who discuss this case, even on a well moderated board like this one. Sigh.

 

[Tricia]

So if patsy was the killer what is the motive that most of you believe? Bedwetting? Or was JR possible the killer because he was abusing JB?? I still think something is not right about the whole burke situation. The one thing I have never understood is how he could have not been awake when the note was found with all the commotion going on and yelling ect....Thats seems weird too me. I think the first thing I would do if this happened to me was go to ALL my kids rooms and wake them all up....JMO

Michelle, you are asking the million dollar questions. And there are so many to ask.

 

[Jack]

... look at the karma thing and all that he lost.

maybe we'll never know. i wonder if john will speak now that patsy is dead.

I believe in karma. I also can see that there hasn't been too many good things happen to the Rs since JonBenet's death. Karma is hard at at work as always.

My own personal opinion has swayed over the years but way back in the deep recesses of my mind I cannot get over the facts and where they would point any reasonable person's intuition. I want to believe this family isn't deserving of their misery but I just can't. It's in the hands of a higher power now though and whatever justice is deserved will be dispensed.

 

[Wudge]

Very beautifully said Wudge!
The same people who swallowed the early misinformation, choose , knowingly to not accept the media corrections. Why is this? They believed them when the were lying, yet choose not to when this same media is forced under court orders and legal pressure to tell the truth. Why hold on to the lies?

Thank you.

Patsy is now dead and under God's care. It's just so sad to see that her death has inspired people to, once again, castigate her upon the altar of crimetainment.

Her earthly time has passed. God has her now. No matter what a person's view might be, that should certainly satisfy everyone.

God bless Patsy and the entire Ramsey family.

 

[AutumnBorn]

God help Patsy and the entire Ramsey family.

 

[AutumnBorn]

Please don't let what you THINK a parent is not capable of cloud the facts.

Especially one who's narcissistic.

GULP...This is my 666th post. Mark of the devil. Watchout!

 

[LaMer]

So if patsy was the killer what is the motive that most of you believe? Bedwetting? Or was JR possible the killer because he was abusing JB?? I still think something is not right about the whole burke situation. The one thing I have never understood is how he could have not been awake when the note was found with all the commotion going on and yelling ect....Thats seems weird too me. I think the first thing I would do if this happened to me was go to ALL my kids rooms and wake them all up....JMO

I was shocked to hear the news today of Patsy passing away. It has been ages since visiting the Jon Benet forums, as I had to step away due to frustration.

Michelle, I agree with you, I would also wake up anyone else in the house, and also rip every room apart---I had to do that one time when I thought our daughter was missing. Believe me, there was no way I wouldn't have awaken any living soul in the house. If BR didn't wake up, it was because PR and JR knew exactly what had happened and where JBR was that fateful night. Creeping around the house as quiet as church mice. I can't get past the fact BR was sent away early in the morning. IMO, that eliminates BR from knowing anything at all which had to do with JonBenet's death.

What about JR? Why not? In my opinion the real culprit may still be alive. Think the reverse, PR covered for JR, she had a lot more to lose if she did'nt, a lot more, first JonBenet then JR?

At any rate, I was saddened to hear Patsy Ramsey passed away.

 

[LaMer]

Especially one who's narcissistic.

GULP...This is my 666th post. Mark of the devil. Watchout!

Uh oh AutumnBorn! :banghead: LOL

For You! :angel: to ward away the devil! :blowkiss:

 

[Rupert]

I think a good part of heaven is what you leave behind.

 

[Pepper]

FWIW I don't believe the Ramseys murdered their daughter. Simple logic together with what I've read and seen on TV just won't allow me to go down that path.

But IF I'm wrong and Patsy was involved, she has suffered 13 years of recurring ovarian cancer, painful and debilitating cancer treatments, and the unimaginable loss of her only daughter (whom I believe she truly loved). For all their worldly wealth, they couldn't stave off the grim reaper at their doorstep.

IF I'm wrong and she was guilty, she has endured enough punishment here on earth. IF I'm right, and she wasn't guilty, then her death is premature and tragic indeed.

God bless the Ramsey family and all those that knew her loved her, especially Burke who has lost his mother at his age where her love and guidance are particularly important and will be missed more than most of us can imagine.

 

[CountryGirl]

When I first heard Patsy stepped over the note early that morning, on a spiral staircase no less, my common sense said something was not right with this story/woman.

Your child is missing and an intruder might still be in the house, yet you leave your other child asleep upstairs? You don't wake him and ask if he heard anything from the room on the same floor? You don't grab him and keep him glued to your side for his safety?

I haven't kept up with this case for many years because frankly I didn't have much hope it will be solved but no way do I believe there was any intruder in that home that night. No way. JfJBR

 

[narlacat]

That's because there wasn't CountryGirl!!

 

[blueclouds]

Think what you want Blueclouds but don't expect me to think the same.

That's what I appreciate about WS the most Narlcat. Don't like or agree with your strong opinion but we're still able to debate it all. I don't expect it at all. There's nothing that you could say to change my mind either.

BACKTRACK to my Jon Benet posts and you'll find me stating emphatically I DO NOT SUPPORT THE RAMSEYS.... I SUPPORT the Intruder theory. THEY went about it all the wrong way completely. THAT IS WHAT HUNG THEM.

But it's all good Narlcat. I can appreciate that we live in a FREE (THANK GOD) society where we can disagree. :blowkiss:

 

[narlacat]

Well, I'm getting really good at agreeing to disagree around here Blueclouds and yep, that's the good thing about WS.
I can't recall your theory right now, so you think the R's knew the intruder?

 

[blueclouds]

Well, I'm getting really good at agreeing to disagree around here Blueclouds and yep, that's the good thing about WS.
I can't recall your theory right now, so you think the R's knew the intruder?

I have no opinion on whether they KNEW the intruder or not. I STRONGLY disagree with their actions after the fact completely. But when I have a detective taking a unbiased look at the scene who has so many homicides behind him and he can see intruder and some evidence leads there..... I lean on the expert... not the "DRUG" cop that had NO experience.

On another link, I asked for links towards legitimate reasons to ramsey's guilt. I will sincerely read them.

IF THESE PEOPLE TRULY DID IT..... Patsy is burning in hell then as far as I'm concerned. IF NOT, they will get their just rewards in heaven.

 

[narlacat]

Don't even get me started on Smit and his glory days.
He was the biased one, not Thomas.

 

[shana]

CG said:

I haven't kept up with this case for many years because frankly I didn't have much hope it will be solved but no way do I believe there was any intruder in that home that night. No way. JfJBR

Solved, likely. Prosecutable, no.

Agree with you on the inturder...you know, the one who left nary a trace.

I haven't kept-up either...too much for the room. I can't imagine ever spending so much time (online and off) on a crime story...azif another one of this magnitude would godforbid present itself. No more OJ trials either! ;->

Good to see you, CG!

JfJBR and for all the children her case represented <--old tagline

 

[AutumnBorn]

Shana, not only did this "intruder" leave without much of a trace, we have to remember that s/he was close to the family, athletic enough to get in and out of the house via a basement window (and able to do so without disturbing a spider's web), has quickly degenerating DNA, and flawless English (save an intentional spelling error) with a penchant for drama. Now, this family friend also had to be a sexual deviant and must've known John Ramsey's bonus that Christmas. The Ramsey's must've known quite a few of these people, because they started throwing them all under the bus! Oh, wait...they've all been cleared. Except for the parents. Patsy is gone.

The mouse stands alone under that big umbrella because all the athlete friends with lightening fast degrading DNA are hiding so well they can't be found. Tough spot to be in, no?

 

[rashomon]

A botched kidnapping attempt..

This would be the first kidnapper who fed his victim pineapple and then waited for more than an hour in a house full of people, obviously without the least fear of being detected.
Not to mention the ransom note which was written with pen and paper from the Ramsey home.

Don't even get me started on Smit and his glory days.
He was the biased one, not Thomas.

So true. Thomas and his colleagues interviewed many other people, among them pedophiles and child murderers in prison, to find out if there was a connection to the Ramsey case. But there never was.
Whereas Smit was bent on his intruder theory right from the start. He obviously was still strongly influenced and biased through his work on the Heather Dawn Church case.

There is this priceless picture somewhere on the net where Smit is trying to sqeeze himself through that basement window to prove his intruder theory. It looks totally ridiculous. No Santa recovering from open-heart surgery (just one of the many people the Ramseys tried to implicate) could have gotten in through there, nor would professional kidnappers choose such a point of entry.

 

[Tricia]

Then I suggest you go to the Prosecutors office yourself and tell them you have absolutely positively undoubtedly solved this crime without ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER..... AND YOU CAN explain away all the other evidence.

GOODNESS. :waitasec:

I'd do it in a heartbeat but greater and better people than I have tried.