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  • #121
I know that the Ramsey's got bad publicity and were on the defensive, but honestly, in comparison to all the influence and money they have, they did nothing for victims of crime. I can't help but compare Mark Lunsford, Kelly, Mr. Klaas, the Smarts, John Walsh, and others who have lost children either to being missing or murdered. These people have done so much and the Ramsey's basically did nothing but "forgive" the sadistic murderer not many days after the death of their daugther.
 
  • #122
michelle said:
So if patsy was the killer what is the motive that most of you believe?
Motive?

Two words; heaven and psychosis.

There's a lot of that going around these days.
 
  • #123
Hi all. Still regularly lurkin ... avoided JB's forum but basically always followed her story. After a 6 month contract is USA, I was in Bahrain Dec 96 and vivdly remember the story breaking. Having been caught up in the OJ trial, I became (like most us) a crime-addict. JB's story even brought me to forums before Laci did.

This post is long - using those accumulated credits while lurkin...

While it's sad Patsy has passed - truth is we all pass in one way or another - at least PR had a pretty good idea of what would take her life - most of us could be taken by surprise. Imo, her last decade HAD to have been spent in added torment which would have not contributed to her medical status. Sadly, JB had no such inkling of what would take her life - odds are she never even thought of death in her young life. She was in a place where she trusted adults - naturally that complete trust began ... and ended ... with her parents.

There is NO WAY I could accept 'some intruder/s' murdered her. The ransom note was, for starters, complete overkill. Why wasn't it prepared BEFORE entering the house if abduction was the motive? Why from the same writing-block as was in the house? I just feel the note went into TOO much detail to 'exclude' parents. Why 118 000? Why not 100 000 $? Why personal references? Why the forced changed writing?

REAL intruders are hyped on on adrenalin; they have a fear of capture and a need to control - and then escape - they do NOT care about other peoples feelings (esp their victims) and they most certainly do NOT leave that type of ESSAY behind. It was the note that did it for me; eerily and far too remarkably cognisant with the Ramsey's private life; it made me go 'ut-oh' from the start. But seriously, so!

Subsequently, a lot of the money the Ramsey's made went on to make others a lil richer, and, dare I say it - human cash-cows do tempt and create false lands of Milk & Honey for the odd Uriah Heap in the background. So - being paid fortunes would probably keep any 'consultant' happy to say what their client WANTED the world to hear - and more especially if that voice was 'licensed' to say what their clients asked them to.

Now that I am on other side of the world - my feelings haven't changed in almost a decade. It's my convicted belief JB's parents have a deep and very dark (inner) knowledge. Money and political punch go a long way to absolution or condemnation. Poorer, or lesser known folk stand virtually no chance. In the end, logic (to all of us, rich, poor, educated or from Mars) doesn't cost a dime. And I wasn't paid to conclude - simply to read, learn, discover and determine as I'm free to do.

In 6 weeks time, JB would have turned Sweet Sixteen - had it not been for wicked wrath, impatience, denial and temper. Bless her little soul.

Wudge: sorry, but your 'media crimetainment' references on Sam Shep, as long and as laborious as I particularly find them, fall into a completely different case altogether. Mistakes happen but cover-ups are planned. And when the gel doesn't bond - nuttin gonna make 'em stick (IMO).

Others on NG side: accept and recognize your pov - many points are well explained.

Gosh ... deep inside, I have a personal hunch that when Burke is old enough - he may indeed have a story to tell - it could be the real one ... but in the meantime, while there are ears that may hear and eyes that may see his story - he's saying .... nuttin.

When I go, I want those around me to never 'wonder' ... my own belief as to my eventual slice of heaven is that it will be a mirror of my life on Earth, and yepsie-doodle ... that's not perfect, but it's honest enough :)

God bless y'all - and esp those who have been real warriors in JB's defense.

PSA
 
  • #124
i don't know and no one else does either....who killed patsy. i do know that john ramsey has lost three people he loves and burke has lost two. my heart goes out to them for their loss. JBR's death was tragic, but it all these years, the police/FBI cannot say who did it. i don't think we should be trashing patsy's death - its just not right
 
  • #125
Behind on reading this entire thread, but will catch up.

Interesting post, the last post on page 2 about the 'complete' DNA profile of 'the' killer. Question HOW would JonBenets blood and 'the' killers show up in only TWO spots in the panty? Hmmm. WE might have to go back to the packaging 'factory' of the panties YET again for that to have happened and for the spots to be comingled. Good Luck on that one, I will be anxiously waiting for the PERP to be ID'd.

I might have had a bit more empathy for the Ramsey's, than none/zip/nada, IF IF I had ever seen ANY emotion about 'THAT CHILD' on their limited 'interviews'.

LOOK at Mr. Lunsford TODAY years AFTER his baby was murdered, he still sobs and his voice cracks when talking about his 'baby' Jessica Lunsford. The only emotion I ever saw from Patsy was HOSTILITY. She could have had hostility and tears and sobbing at the same time, but nope. Tears and screaming would have been very good.

There would be NO death bed confession, IF IF still protecting 'the' family to the END.

.
 
  • #126
Now from what I have seen of patsy on interviews she seemed to cry alot when talking about Jon Benet. Maybe I was watching older one, I dont recall but it seemed to me that she cried alot.....
 
  • #127
Has Dayle Hinman (Body of Evidence) ever looked at this case?
 
  • #128
And, how many intruders know how much the father's bonus is? Maybe the intruder who really didn't mean to kidnap anyone, decided at the last minute to research John's bonus amount before writing a ransom note that really didn't mean anything, since he/she knew that the child was dead anyway? Sure, that makes perfect sense. Have any other serial killers on record done this? (BTK, etc?)
 
  • #129
CountryGirl said:
When I first heard Patsy stepped over the note early that morning, on a spiral staircase no less, my common sense said something was not right with this story/woman.

Your child is missing and an intruder might still be in the house, yet you leave your other child asleep upstairs? You don't wake him and ask if he heard anything from the room on the same floor? You don't grab him and keep him glued to your side for his safety?

I haven't kept up with this case for many years because frankly I didn't have much hope it will be solved but no way do I believe there was any intruder in that home that night. No way. JfJBR

That should have been our first clue on how evasive Patsy was when she glided right over those three important pages.

You nailed it right on the head, CG - which makes seeing you again after all this time even sweeter! Hope all is well in your real world!
 
  • #130
I'm reserving my prayers for everyone who has been thrown under the bus by this screwed up family.
 
  • #131
I am curious to see how many people start doing talk shows ect....Now that patsy is dead....
 
  • #132
I am left with such a profound sense of sadness.
 
  • #133
michelle said:
I am curious to see how many people start doing talk shows ect....Now that patsy is dead....

Me, too...I wonder if some new stuff won't surface now that she is gone.
 
  • #134
englishleigh said:
Me, too...I wonder if some new stuff won't surface now that she is gone.
It wouldn't surprise me if LOT'S of people starting coming out, but I do not think PR was the killer. I do think she would cover for someone, but Who know's. This case boggles my mind as much as Darlies!!!!!
 
  • #135
Funny that you mention Darlie.........I've always thought that the only thing missing from the below picture is the Silly String spraying.
 
  • #136
Camper said:
I might have had a bit more empathy for the Ramsey's, than none/zip/nada, IF IF I had ever seen ANY emotion about 'THAT CHILD' on their limited 'interviews'.

LOOK at Mr. Lunsford TODAY years AFTER his baby was murdered, he still sobs and his voice cracks when talking about his 'baby' Jessica Lunsford. The only emotion I ever saw from Patsy was HOSTILITY. She could have had hostility and tears and sobbing at the same time, but nope. Tears and screaming would have been very good.
I adore, admire, and respect Mark Lunsford. But let's be fair in making comparisons.

First, it is not "years AFTER his baby was murdered." Jessica was murdered only 14 short MONTHS ago, an incredibly raw, short time in comparison to nearly a decade.

Second, personalities are different. Mark Lunsford is all raw emotion on his heartsleeve, the same way we saw with Ed Smart. (In the Smart family, you'll notice that Lois was the more "stoic" one, while Ed was sobbing all the time.)

Third, and this is important, Mark Lunsford and his father were thrown under the "umbrella of suspicion" for only a very, very brief time period, the same usual time period all family members are put there. I'm not going to get into a long dissertation on the "whys" of how it is the Ramseys have never quite been able to escape from the umbrella of suspicion, because I'm certain my take on it would be in some ways distinctly different from many on this forum. But suffice it say, JR and PR spent nearly a decade from nearly day 1 in defense mode, simultaneously trying to mourn their daughter while watching their images splayed out in tabloid headlines screaming everything from Burke-did-it to Patsy-did-it to John-did-it to whatever. We do not know how Mark Lunsford would act after a decade or even a year of that.

Last, I can back up the poster who said he/she saw interviews with Patsy sobbing over JBR. There's some selective memory going on here, and failing that, I'm sure there will be creative psychological interpretations.
 
  • #137
:laugh:
RiverRat said:
Funny that you mention Darlie.........I've always thought that the only thing missing from the below picture is the Silly String spraying.
DOH! LOL!!!!!!
 
  • #138
Comparing the Ramseys to a man that wasn't trying to obstruct the investigation of his daughter's murder sounds rather silly to me. Remember Mark waiting for four months to answer questions about Jessi?!

Me neither.
:doh:
RR
 
  • #139
RiverRat said:
Comparing the Ramseys to a man that wasn't trying to obstruct the investigation of his daughter's murder sounds rather silly to me. Remember Mark waiting for four months to answer questions about Jessi?!

Me neither.
:doh:
RR
If you're referring to my post, I'm the one saying Camper shouldn't be comparing Mark Lunsford and the Ramseys. Read my words carefully. I'm pointing out all the differences.

I'm not equating Mark and the Ramseys and all.
 
  • #140
My heart goes out to the Ramsey and Paugh families. I have said all along that I do not wish cancer - particularly ovarian cancer - on anyone. Including Patsey Ramsey.
(My mother died of ovarian cancer a few years ago and it's a horrible, nasty and ugly death.)

I don't think we will hear any big confession from John Ramsey or any evidence spilling from anyone.
Because I still believe that this crime was set in motion by Burke Ramsey and his parents covered it up. And John will continue to protect Burke until the day he dies.

This is the only scenario that best fits all the evidence we have to date.

The reason no one was ever charged with her murder or cover-up is simply because they could not definitively identify just WHO did WHAT.
You cannot charge someone with a crime if the evidence "could" point to John or "could" point to Burke or "could" point to Patsy - even though you KNOW it was one of the three. Or even that all 3 were involved to some degree - but who to what degree?

This crime will NEVER be solved IMO. Legally that is. :(

May Patsy's soul rest in the peace of God.

~Angel~
 
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