MSNBC to Imus: You're FIRED!

[BeeBee]

And I read somewhere, forgive me for I can't remember, that they won't apologize either. Nice.

Yes. The Black Panther leader said that Al Sharpton has said he would never apoligize to the "white interloper." Regardless if he is wrong or not. The same Black Panther leader called the interviewer (who was a beautiful black woman sitting in for Bill O'Reilly) a "political prostitute." I must say she got pretty mean with him then, demanding to know if he'd just called her a .

I just feel at times that white people have no right to say anything that blacks may not like. And, time won't help. The excuse (and that's exactly what it's become) of slavery will be held over the heads of whites forever.

 

[philamena]

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I just feel at times that white people have no right to say anything that blacks may not like. And, time won't help. The excuse (and that's exactly what it's become) of slavery will be held over the heads of whites forever.

I feel the same way . The thing that gets me is the fact that neither my great grandparents nor my great, great grandparents had a thing to do with slavery...but that doesn't matter. It will forever be tossed in my face and my kids faces and in my grandchildren's faces.
Let's talk about the Jews and the holocaust. Or the way Native American Indians were treated when this country was first settled. That's oppression and mistreatment. And 2 topics that many blacks won't touch.

 

[MREG2]

Yes. The Black Panther leader said that Al Sharpton has said he would never apoligize to the "white interloper." Regardless if he is wrong or not. The same Black Panther leader called the interviewer (who was a beautiful black woman sitting in for Bill O'Reilly) a "political prostitute." I must say she got pretty mean with him then, demanding to know if he'd just called her a .

I just feel at times that white people have no right to say anything that blacks may not like. And, time won't help. The excuse (and that's exactly what it's become) of slavery will be held over the heads of whites forever.

That's exactly what ticks me off and why I will always believe Sharpton is nothing but a hiprocrite who didn't get enough attention from his parents growing up. Now he's just trying to compensate for it. :furious: Doesn't he realize he would be so much more credible if he did own up to his mistakes?

 

[MREG2]

I feel the same way . The thing that gets me is the fact that neither my great grandparents nor my great, great grandparents had a thing to do with slavery...but that doesn't matter. It will forever be tossed in my face and my kids faces and in my grandchildren's faces.
Let's talk about the Jews and the holocaust. Or the way Native American Indians were treated when this country was first settled. That's oppression and mistreatment. And 2 topics that many blacks won't touch.

I feel the same way too. For me, it just reaks double standard. It will forever be held over our heads. But to be honest, I don't know if my gggrandparents had slaves. If they did, my family never talked about it.

Yes, the Jews and the Indians had it worse. But of course they will never touch those topics. First, it wouldn't benefit them. Second, it would take the attention off of them. Won't happen.

 

[Nova]

I just feel at times that white people have no right to say anything that blacks may not like.

I promise you the average African American suffers all sorts of insults every day, every thing from "driving while black" to being shadowed in stores to being ignored in restaurants to well-meaning but condescending comments about "you people."

99% of the time, those insults are received graciously and silently by African Americans. If they weren't, we'd have rioting in the streets every day of every year.

But let an African American speak out against an egregious and gratuitous comment such as Imus' and we white people go ballistic!

We scream about our lack of free speech (a freedom that apparently only applies to Imus and us, not to Jackson or Sharpton). We carry on about the supposed "grudges," "over sensitivity" and "special privileges" of blacks. We whine about how inconvenienced we are by not being able to call teenagers "nappy headed hos."

We quickly trot out every unpleasant event of our lives that in any way involved a person of color. And then we list every unpleasant event that did NOT involve a person of color to prove that we, too, are so terribly disadvantaged.

If there's a group that "just can't get over it," it ain't African Americans.

 

[Nova]

I feel the same way . The thing that gets me is the fact that neither my great grandparents nor my great, great grandparents had a thing to do with slavery...but that doesn't matter. It will forever be tossed in my face and my kids faces and in my grandchildren's faces.
Let's talk about the Jews and the holocaust. Or the way Native American Indians were treated when this country was first settled. That's oppression and mistreatment. And 2 topics that many blacks won't touch.

This and similar posts are beyond offensive!

In the first place, many African Americans are perfectly willing to discuss historical atrocities against other groups. But it isn't a contest!

And to suggest the genocides against Jews and Native Americans somehow make 400 years of black slavery "not so bad," is both ignorant and cruel.

In the first place, many, many, many black people died as a result of slavery, so it isn't a mere matter of dead Jews and Indians versus Africans "inconvenienced" by having to work in the kitchen.

In the second, we're talking about an atrocity that lasted 400 years of legal slavery and at least another century of de facto slavery under Jim Crow laws. That's half a millennium of hardship, suffering and death.

And, finally, the point is not whether your grandfather or mine owned slaves. The point is that this country was very much BUILT by slave labor (primarily the labor of blacks, but also of Indians, Chinese and other groups).

We who enjoy the benefits of living in this country have an obligation to work to repay that debt by making the nation as equitable as it can be TODAY!

Think of it as paying off the mortgage.

(And, no, I am not arguing for reparation payments to individuals, though I have read interesting arguments in that regard. I'm saying we don't get to pretend everything is jim dandy just because we're "tired" of hearing about the issue.)

 

[philamena]

This and similar posts are beyond offensive!

In the first place, many African Americans are perfectly willing to discuss historical atrocities against other groups. But it isn't a contest!

And to suggest the genocides against Jews and Native Americans somehow make 400 years of black slavery "not so bad," is both ignorant and cruel.

In the first place, many, many, many black people died as a result of slavery, so it isn't a mere matter of dead Jews and Indians versus Africans "inconvenienced" by having to work in the kitchen.

In the second, we're talking about an atrocity that lasted 400 years of legal slavery and at least another century of de facto slavery under Jim Crow laws. That's half a millennium of hardship, suffering and death.

And, finally, the point is not whether your grandfather or mine owned slaves. The point is that this country was very much BUILT by slave labor (primarily the labor of blacks, but also of Indians, Chinese and other groups).

We who enjoy the benefits of living in this country have an obligation to work to repay that debt by making the nation as equitable as it can be TODAY!

Think of it as paying off the mortgage.

(And, no, I am not arguing for reparation payments to individuals, though I have read interesting arguments in that regard. I'm saying we don't get to pretend everything is jim dandy just because we're "tired" of hearing about the issue.)

Well Nova if you find it offensive--- scroll on by because this is MY opinion and I'm not backing down because you don't agree with it. I am an adult woman who has lived in the south her entire life. A woman whose forefathers were accused of racial prejudice when there was little or none. I'm a woman whose adult children have friends of many different races and a woman who taught her children how disgraceful and wrong prejudice is.

(BTW-If you want to discuss slavery, start a thread and I'll meet you there. Then we'll discuss who sold who to whom. )

 

[IrishMist]

Well Nova if you find it offensive--- scroll on by because this is MY opinion and I'm not backing down because you don't agree with it. I am an adult woman who has lived in the south her entire life. A woman whose forefathers were accused of racial prejudice when there was little or none. I'm a woman whose adult children have friends of many different races and a woman who taught her children how disgraceful and wrong prejudice is.

(BTW-If you want to discuss slavery, start a thread and I'll meet you there. Then we'll discuss who sold who to whom. )

When the heck was there "little or no" racial prejudice in the south??

 

[Cheetah]

This and similar posts are beyond offensive!

In the first place, many African Americans are perfectly willing to discuss historical atrocities against other groups. But it isn't a contest!

And to suggest the genocides against Jews and Native Americans somehow make 400 years of black slavery "not so bad," is both ignorant and cruel.

In the first place, many, many, many black people died as a result of slavery, so it isn't a mere matter of dead Jews and Indians versus Africans "inconvenienced" by having to work in the kitchen.

In the second, we're talking about an atrocity that lasted 400 years of legal slavery and at least another century of de facto slavery under Jim Crow laws. That's half a millennium of hardship, suffering and death.

And, finally, the point is not whether your grandfather or mine owned slaves. The point is that this country was very much BUILT by slave labor (primarily the labor of blacks, but also of Indians, Chinese and other groups).

We who enjoy the benefits of living in this country have an obligation to work to repay that debt by making the nation as equitable as it can be TODAY!

Think of it as paying off the mortgage.

(And, no, I am not arguing for reparation payments to individuals, though I have read interesting arguments in that regard. I'm saying we don't get to pretend everything is jim dandy just because we're "tired" of hearing about the issue.)

Wow!!! Great post.....and so true :blowkiss:

 

[Cheetah]

When the heck was there "little or no" racial prejudice in the south??

I was wondering the same thing....

 

[Cheetah]

If there's a group that "just can't get over it," it ain't African Americans.

So very true.

 

[philamena]

When the heck was there "little or no" racial prejudice in the south??

I'm referring to MY relatives not the entire south. :doh:

 

[IrishMist]

I'm referring to MY relatives not the entire south. :doh:

Oh! I misunderstood.

 

[philamena]

Oh! I misunderstood.

No problem IM.

 

[Nova]

Well Nova if you find it offensive--- scroll on by because this is MY opinion and I'm not backing down because you don't agree with it.

Sorry, but an open discussion doesn't work that way. I didn't ask you to delete your post and I don't have to ignore it. On the contrary, I am obligated to respond to such posts by you and others; I can't just let ridiculous assertions go unchallenged.

I am an adult woman who has lived in the south her entire life. A woman whose forefathers were accused of racial prejudice when there was little or none. I'm a woman whose adult children have friends of many different races and a woman who taught her children how disgraceful and wrong prejudice is.

I will happily take your word that you and your folks don't go around committing hate crimes. But unless your forefathers were beamed down from another planet, and very recently, I don't believe they were exempt from racial prejudice. No more than mine. (My folks were liberals relative to most of their neighbors during the civil rights struggles of the 1960s South, but to say they had no racial prejudices would be thoughtless, at least.)

 

[MREG2]

I promise you the average African American suffers all sorts of insults every day, every thing from "driving while black" to being shadowed in stores to being ignored in restaurants to well-meaning but condescending comments about "you people."
99% of the time, those insults are received graciously and silently by African Americans. If they weren't, we'd have rioting in the streets every day of every year.

But let an African American speak out against an egregious and gratuitous comment such as Imus' and we white people go ballistic!

We scream about our lack of free speech (a freedom that apparently only applies to Imus and us, not to Jackson or Sharpton). We carry on about the supposed "grudges," "over sensitivity" and "special privileges" of blacks. We whine about how inconvenienced we are by not being able to call teenagers "nappy headed hos."

We quickly trot out every unpleasant event of our lives that in any way involved a person of color. And then we list every unpleasant event that did NOT involve a person of color to prove that we, too, are so terribly disadvantaged.

If there's a group that "just can't get over it," it ain't African Americans.

Can you prove this? They're insulted every single day?? Shadowed in stores?? Ignored in restaurants?? Hmmm... where I live it seems like the opposite. We just ate at a restaurant the other night where 80% of the patrons were black and everyone was enjoying themselves. I guess that's what you meant about graciously and silently accepting these things.

I do not condone what Imus said but for pete's sake, he apologized. He met with the women and apologized and they ACCEPTED his apology. It is Sharpton who egged it on and fueled all of this. I do NOT mind Sharpton coming to the help of people who are wrongly accused, etc. But he also needs to admit when he wrong and accept that he too is human and apologize to those he hurt. But he won't. Sharpton has said he won't apologize to the Duke LAX players. Hmmm... what does that say????

That's BS... my grandparents had a hard life, crappy neighbors and treated bad but they sure as hell didn't start spouting how this generation owes them apologies and monetary compensation!! Gee, but who is??? It's "them" that won't let it go. They weren't slaves but they sure as hell want compensation and for WHAT?

 

[IrishMist]

Can you prove this? They're insulted every single day?? Shadowed in stores?? Ignored in restaurants?? Hmmm... where I live it seems like the opposite. We just ate at a restaurant the other night where 80% of the patrons were black and everyone was enjoying themselves. I guess that's what you meant about graciously and silently accepting these things.

I do not condone what Imus said but for pete's sake, he apologized. He met with the women and apologized and they ACCEPTED his apology. It is Sharpton who egged it on and fueled all of this. I do NOT mind Sharpton coming to the help of people who are wrongly accused, etc. But he also needs to admit when he wrong and accept that he too is human and apologize to those he hurt. But he won't. Sharpton has said he won't apologize to the Duke LAX players. Hmmm... what does that say????

That's BS... my grandparents had a hard life, crappy neighbors and treated bad but they sure as hell didn't start spouting how this generation owes them apologies and monetary compensation!! Gee, but who is??? It's "them" that won't let it go. They weren't slaves but they sure as hell want compensation and for WHAT?

So you won't allow Nova to generalize, which is obvious in the first part of your post; yet you feel comfortable in doing so to prove your own point at the end of your post?

 

[MREG2]

This and similar posts are beyond offensive!

In the first place, many African Americans are perfectly willing to discuss historical atrocities against other groups. But it isn't a contest!

And to suggest the genocides against Jews and Native Americans somehow make 400 years of black slavery "not so bad," is both ignorant and cruel.

In the first place, many, many, many black people died as a result of slavery, so it isn't a mere matter of dead Jews and Indians versus Africans "inconvenienced" by having to work in the kitchen.

In the second, we're talking about an atrocity that lasted 400 years of legal slavery and at least another century of de facto slavery under Jim Crow laws. That's half a millennium of hardship, suffering and death.

And, finally, the point is not whether your grandfather or mine owned slaves. The point is that this country was very much BUILT by slave labor (primarily the labor of blacks, but also of Indians, Chinese and other groups).

We who enjoy the benefits of living in this country have an obligation to work to repay that debt by making the nation as equitable as it can be TODAY!

Think of it as paying off the mortgage.

(And, no, I am not arguing for reparation payments to individuals, though I have read interesting arguments in that regard. I'm saying we don't get to pretend everything is jim dandy just because we're "tired" of hearing about the issue.)

Good post...

You're right. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

But why are the blacks the only ones whining and complaining about their ancestors? Heck, like a PP said, their ancestors are dead. The ones whining have no idea what it means to be a slave. I promise that if I ever treat ANYONE the way all of our ancestors were treated I'll be the first to admit wrong and make amends any way I can, but my goodness, they need to stop trying to get today's generation to pay for what our ancestors did.

And please enlighten me.... slavery occurred in other countries. Are they going through what we are going through?

As for our obligation to make this country equitable, it goes both ways. They can not have their cake and eat it too.

 

[MREG2]

So you won't allow Nova to generalize, which is obvious in the first part of your post; yet you feel comfortable in doing so to prove your own point at the end of your post?

IM, I never said she couldn't generalize. But IMO she was stating such as a fact. I was merely addressing that by saying not where I live.

 

[IrishMist]

Good post...

You're right. 2 wrongs don't make a right.

But why are the blacks the only ones whining and complaining about their ancestors? Heck, like a PP said, their ancestors are dead. The ones whining have no idea what it means to be a slave. I promise that if I ever treat ANYONE the way all of our ancestors were treated I'll be the first to admit wrong and make amends any way I can, but my goodness, they need to stop trying to get today's generation to pay for what our ancestors did.

And please enlighten me.... slavery occurred in other countries. Are they going through what we are going through?

As for our obligation to make this country equitable, it goes both ways. They can not have their cake and eat it too.

You act like black oppression began and ended with slavery. That's not the case! For all intents and purposes, blacks civil rights were routinely disregarded until 1965.