MSNBC to Imus: You're FIRED!

[IrishMist]

Frankly, as long as we have posts like yours, nobody needs an "excuse" to cry racism. Go ahead and hit the alert button, but every post you've made in this thread shares these themes:

1. What matters in every media event is how white people are treated and how the event is perceived by white people.

2. Any African American who protests racial injustice is lying and simply looking for an "excuse" to cause a fuss.

3. African Americans get special and unjust privileges in the legal system and the media.

4. A slur against black people cannot and should not be rectified until any and all injustices against white people have been addressed.

5. Anyone who protests racial injustice has a special duty to be equally vigilant and combative toward all other injustices (or at least those that bother you).

6. Protesting racial imbalance is the same as spewing racist slurs (apparently because it's all about "them v. us," not injustice).

Now I am NOT saying you go around mistreating people in real life. I very much doubt you do. But some reflection on the views you hold and express regarding race relations is certainly in order. IMHO, of course.

Excellent post, Nova. I don't have a thing to add, but couldn't let it pass without compliment.
:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Nova]

I'm not going to comment on this...except...how the hell did this get on CSPAN? And shame on those people for clapping.

http://www.break.com/index/double_standard.html

I know those remarks are crazy, Paladin, but who would have believed something like the Tuskegee medical experiments could occur? For decades? Had a similar speaker described them, we would have dismissed him as a crackpot, too.

Now I'm not saying Tuskegee proves this guy's genocide theory correct. Of course it doesn't.

But I'm saying that in a crazy world, it isn't surprising that some people will believe crazy things.

I don't for a moment believe most American blacks believe anyone is trying to exterminate them. But I'm not sure I'd blame them if they did.

 

[cynpat2000]

Sharpton is an African-American activist. That's his job, his specialty. Yes, I wish he and everyone had reserved judgment in the Duke case, but demanding that Sharpton protest every wrong equally is simply unrealistic.

As for a "double standard," in this case it's that the Duke players were able to hire top-notch attorneys and fight a corrupt system. Yes, I wish they had not had to do so, but at least they had the resources to secure a correct outcome.

The same cannot be said for inner-city black and Latino defendants, who are shipped off to prison by the thousands. Sometimes rightfully so, of course, but not so rightfully in far, far too many cases.

That is your double-standard in this context. The idea that, as a rule, African Americans get special privileges and advantages when dealing with our legal system is simply ridiculous.

Nowhere did I say that africans got special advantages with dealing the legal system,.
Imus said something wrong He apologized. Sharpton and his cronies wouldnt shut up til they got the man fired.
But with the duke case sharpton and jackson called them boys rapists where is the apology and the recourse for that?
And I heard this morning they were going on and on about Imus being sexist also in his remark, what about BET channel. Ive heard and seen alot worse than what Imus said.
If its not ok for one race its not supposed to be allright for the other one. They cant have it both ways.

 

[Nova]

Nowhere did I say that africans got special advantages with dealing the legal system,.
Imus said something wrong He apologized. Sharpton and his cronies wouldnt shut up til they got the man fired.
But with the duke case sharpton and jackson called them boys rapists where is the apology and the recourse for that?
And I heard this morning they were going on and on about Imus being sexist also in his remark, what about BET channel. Ive heard and seen alot worse than what Imus said.
If its not ok for one race its not supposed to be allright for the other one. They cant have it both ways.

Who, pray tell, is "they"?

If you meant Sharpton and Jackson, then I doubt you will find them calling young women "ho's." I'm not saying either man is a saint, but in general (and despite Jackson's anti-Semetic slur 20 years ago), neither man engages in a lot of trash talk.

If you meant black people, then I don't know what to say, except "they" don't function as a mob.

 

[BeeBee]

I'll tell you why shifting from Imus to Sharton is telling in my opinion only.

I have watched Imus in the morning for quite some time. I've never heard anything said by him that could be considered racist in the time I've watched him. Now, the guys in the studio with him dog on him and he always did the same with them. He talked with politicians and TV commentators. Yep. He screwed up. He had the nerve to go on Sharptons radio show. And, the nerve to apoligize to the Rutgers team. That still wasn't enough for Sharpton. He wanted to humiliate Imus. Then, when he thought Imus was still going to be able to work at his radio show, he snuck into see the president of CBS. Afterwards Imus was fired.

I have also watched Sharpton for many years. I've watched him walk the streets with his many "yes" men (and women) after hearing some remark he thought was racist. Sharpton is one of the biggest racists of our time. Last night I watched the head of the black panthers after he was asked if Sharpton should apologize to the Duke boys. He claimed that the girl was the victim and that NiFong should take the rap for not doing his job getting these boys arrested. He said him nor Sharpton would ever apoligize when the girl was actually the victim and these rich boys got off.

Another man claimed the one thing Sharpton would never do is apoligize to the "white interloper" for anything. He never has and never will.

So yes, with me moving the topic from Imus to Sharpton might be telling. I have my reasons and some might be that I am becoming racist. I'm tired of white people having to tip toe around in what they say or do for fear Sharpton or those "racists" like him will come after them and not stop until they get what they want. Just like Sharpton did in this case.

I've noticed that now he has some body guards after the stabbing incident. Good for him. He needs them.

 

[philamena]

I'll tell you why shifting from Imus to Sharton is telling in my opinion only.

I have watched Imus in the morning for quite some time. I've never heard anything said by him that could be considered racist in the time I've watched him. Now, the guys in the studio with him dog on him and he always did the same with them. He talked with politicians and TV commentators. Yep. He screwed up. He had the nerve to go on Sharptons radio show. And, the nerve to apoligize to the Rutgers team. That still wasn't enough for Sharpton. He wanted to humiliate Imus. Then, when he thought Imus was still going to be able to work at his radio show, he snuck into see the president of CBS. Afterwards Imus was fired.

I have also watched Sharpton for many years. I've watched him walk the streets with his many "yes" men (and women) after hearing some remark he thought was racist. Sharpton is one of the biggest racists of our time. Last night I watched the head of the black panthers after he was asked if Sharpton should apologize to the Duke boys. He claimed that the girl was the victim and that NiFong should take the rap for not doing his job getting these boys arrested. He said him nor Sharpton would ever apoligize when the girl was actually the victim and these rich boys got off.

Another man claimed the one thing Sharpton would never do is apoligize to the "white interloper" for anything. He never has and never will.

So yes, with me moving the topic from Imus to Sharpton might be telling. I have my reasons and some might be that I am becoming racist. I'm tired of white people having to tip toe around in what they say or do for fear Sharpton or those "racists" like him will come after them and not stop until they get what they want. Just like Sharpton did in this case.

I've noticed that now he has some body guards after the stabbing incident. Good for him. He needs them.

Good points and I agree with you.

 

[White Rain]

I'll tell you why shifting from Imus to Sharton is telling in my opinion only.

I have watched Imus in the morning for quite some time. I've never heard anything said by him that could be considered racist in the time I've watched him. Now, the guys in the studio with him dog on him and he always did the same with them. He talked with politicians and TV commentators. Yep. He screwed up. He had the nerve to go on Sharptons radio show. And, the nerve to apoligize to the Rutgers team. That still wasn't enough for Sharpton. He wanted to humiliate Imus. Then, when he thought Imus was still going to be able to work at his radio show, he snuck into see the president of CBS. Afterwards Imus was fired.

I have also watched Sharpton for many years. I've watched him walk the streets with his many "yes" men (and women) after hearing some remark he thought was racist. Sharpton is one of the biggest racists of our time. Last night I watched the head of the black panthers after he was asked if Sharpton should apologize to the Duke boys. He claimed that the girl was the victim and that NiFong should take the rap for not doing his job getting these boys arrested. He said him nor Sharpton would ever apoligize when the girl was actually the victim and these rich boys got off.

Another man claimed the one thing Sharpton would never do is apoligize to the "white interloper" for anything. He never has and never will.

So yes, with me moving the topic from Imus to Sharpton might be telling. I have my reasons and some might be that I am becoming racist. I'm tired of white people having to tip toe around in what they say or do for fear Sharpton or those "racists" like him will come after them and not stop until they get what they want. Just like Sharpton did in this case.

I've noticed that now he has some body guards after the stabbing incident. Good for him. He needs them.

Wow BeeBee what an honest post, for you to come on here and admit that you may be becoming racist is very daring, it's something I have wanted to say but was afraid I'd be kicked off.
I have not always been a racist, and am not fully 100% racist but things like this happening are surely swinging me closer every day.

 

[Nova]

Thank you, BeeBee, for a very interesting and enlightening post. (By the latter, I mean I learned more about Sharpton.)

I think the tactics of Sharpton or any other activist may be fairly debated (and, sometimes with good reason, deplored). I don't think doing so makes you racist.

But I would only add that whatever Sharpton's part in the firing of Imus may have been, the ultimate decision was made by mostly white corporate executives who head the networks and most advertisers. In my mind, it is Sharpton's job to protest, even to the point of being annoying. Nobody ever effected social change without annoying a lot of people.

And if you believe the firing of Imus was an overreaction, then the target of your ire should be those who did the firing.

 

[Paladin]

I know those remarks are crazy, Paladin, but who would have believed something like the Tuskegee medical experiments could occur? For decades? Had a similar speaker described them, we would have dismissed him as a crackpot, too.

Now I'm not saying Tuskegee proves this guy's genocide theory correct. Of course it doesn't.

But I'm saying that in a crazy world, it isn't surprising that some people will believe crazy things.

I don't for a moment believe most American blacks believe anyone is trying to exterminate them. But I'm not sure I'd blame them if they did.

I just want to know where I can get one of those retna scanners he's talking about.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm not going to comment on this...except...how the hell did this get on CSPAN? And shame on those people for clapping.

http://www.break.com/index/double_standard.html[/quote

That was a video from back in 2005!


"Kamau Rashidi Kambon" (born Leroy Jefferson) of Raleigh, North Carolina is a controversial, highly racist former African Studies college instructor who promotes genocide.

He generated huge controversy when he advocated the racial genocide of whites at a forum at Howard University on October 14, 2005.

Link to YouTube Search of Kamau Kambon:
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Credit wikipedia

 

[close_enough]

I read this yesterday, and it even gives links if you want to send a comment to whomever...........

It's not just Imus

On April 11, NBC News announced that it was dropping MSNBC's simulcast of Imus in the Morning in the wake of the controversy that erupted over host Don Imus' reference to the Rutgers University women's basketball team as "nappy-headed hos." The following day, CBS president and CEO Leslie Moonves announced that CBS -- which owns both the radio station that broadcast Imus' program and Westwood One, which syndicated the program -- has fired Imus and would cease broadcasting his radio show. But as Media Matters for America has extensively documented, bigotry and hate speech targeting, among other characteristics, race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and ethnicity continue to permeate the airwaves through personalities such as Glenn Beck, Neal Boortz, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Michael Savage, Michael Smerconish, and John Gibson.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200704120010

interesting read, TG....thanks for posting this...

i'm going to kind of miss Imus, but oh well....i only got to watch him during the winter months while being laid/layed off....

 

[reb]

beebee and white rain-- thank you. i am shocked that al sharpton has become the 'cause celebre' ' he is, considering he's a lying sack of you know what, from way back in the day. (did everyone forget...?) and the fact that he even ran for president is horrifying. and no, i'm not scared of him in the way he would like me to be scared of him (sorry sharpton).

 

[Paladin]

That was a video from back in 2005!

I know, but if Al Sharpton is the person he says he is, then he should have said something like, "That crazy fool doesn't speak for my people." Don't you think?

Good job googling his name though.

 

[kk's mom]

beebee and white rain-- thank you. i am shocked that al sharpton has become the 'cause celebre' ' he is, considering he's a lying sack of you know what, from way back in the day. (did everyone forget...?) and the fact that he even ran for president is horrifying. and no, i'm not scared of him in the way he would like me to be scared of him (sorry sharpton).

Rev Al Sharpton turns my stomach - he's a freaking spotlight seeker and spotlight hog. Here's a nice little article about his antics.....
http://www.nationalreview.com/20Mar00/nordlinger032000.html

 

[capps]

See all the chaos this has started,even on this forum,if we keep it up we'll end up having another civil war.

It's all very simple: Unless someone has done something so evil it cannot be ignored,I live by the golden rule ... "If you can't say some thing nice about someone,then don't say anything at all."

It might be an old cliche,but in my opinion ... it works every time.

 

[shopper]

Try taking a look at Congress and the White House.

Do you honestly think Bush will tear his focus off Iraq to bother with US citizens or racial problems?

 

[Nova]

I just want to know where I can get one of those retna scanners he's talking about.

You're a better man (or woman) than I am, PalaDIN.

If you listened long enough to get to the part about retina scanners, that is.

 

[Nova]

Do you honestly think Bush will tear his focus off Iraq to bother with US citizens or racial problems?

My point was there are plenty of WHITE leaders. That so many are crappy leaders doesn't make them less white.

 

[shopper]

My point was there are plenty of WHITE leaders. That so many are crappy leaders doesn't make them less white.

Yeah, I got your point. I know there are white leaders in this country but white people don't have a figurative Sharpton or Jackson.

 

[Nova]

Yeah, I got your point. I know there are white leaders in this country but white people don't have a figurative Sharpton or Jackson.

Well, even if we set elected officials aside, we still have O'Reilly, Beck, Coulter, Hannity and Limbaugh. They are as ready as anybody to kick up a fuss over the slightest, perceived slight (which is what people are accusing Sharpton and Jackson of doing).

Maybe if African Americans had better media access, they wouldn't need the travelin' preachers...