Found Deceased MT - Rita Maze, 47, Wolf Creek, 6 Sept 2016 #1

[Gardener1850]

I find it interesting that the amount of cash in the car keeps bouncing around from $50 to $60 to $70. Which is it? It's hard for me to read whole postings here and consider the opinion as a plausible option when the facts aren't even abided by.

I personally do not think Rita committed suicide. I think someone very sinister and dangerous is at large.

The only things I have read in the press about the cash is that $50 was found in her purse and $20 was on the ground near the car--that is $70. I don't know where $60 came from. People keep saying, "well, she wasn't robbed" but we have ZERO info about how much money she had when she left that day. Maybe she carried large amounts of cash with her. Maybe the $50 left in her purse was hidden in a secret pocket-- I know many people who tuck an emergency stash of money somewhere or kept some amount separate from their wallet for special purposes. Maybe he DID grab all the money he saw from her purse and accidentally dropped $20 outside in his hurry to get away. We also have not heard that her bank card was left in her purse. He could have taken that. But we just don't know because LE is getting details quiet.

 

[CARIIS]

His name is Derek BigMan and he has an extensive criminal history, including prison escape. He could absolutely be a POI in this case. Billings is not far from Helena.

3 h 31 min (240.2 mi) via I-90 W and US-287 N

 

[Gardener1850]

Only 5'6" ? Again, Rita claiming the attacker/abductor was tall like her brother might be subjective and based on a memory that was founded on a very violent act. A scary monster always seems bigger than it really is, at first. There is no way to know how tall he was, actually, until he is caught.

Right and she was allegedly hit on the head and in panic on the call. I know I wouldn't be able to guess the height of someone who hit me on the head and put me in my trunk--she said she wasn't even sure it was her trunk! I find it pretty ironic this man's last name is BigMan though. If she happened to know him and she said through frightened tears she was abducted "by a Bigman..." well that could lead to a lot of confusion and in her condition she may not have been able to clarify what she meant by "big man".

 

[GigTu]

3 h 31 min (240.2 mi) via I-90 W and US-287 N

If you go via auto (theft and/or hitchhiking), that's not very far. For all we know, this perp might just be some creep who lives off the grid and spends all his time hitchhiking across the country in the summer months. We know nothing!

I wonder if there's a way to find the auto theft stats along those highways.

 

[GigTu]

Right and she was allegedly hit on the head and in panic on the call. I know I wouldn't be able to guess the height of someone who hit me on the head and put me in my trunk--she said she wasn't even sure it was her trunk! I find it pretty ironic this man's last name is BigMan though. If she happened to know him and she said through frightened tears she was abducted "by a Bigman..." well that could lead to a lot of confusion and in her condition she may not have been able to clarify what she meant by "big man".

You're freaking me out right now. I was literally thinking the same thing, but didn't feel it worthy of posting. Thanks, and now get out of my head. :blowkiss:

 

[Gardener1850]

You're freaking me out right now. I was literally thinking the same thing, but didn't feel it worthy of posting. Thanks, and now get out of my head. :blowkiss:

haha, well great minds and all that...:loveyou:right back at you

 

[CARIIS]

When I read about maybe knowing him I thought drugs or david Sweat and Mitchel! I would cross the street -- that one pic he just looks like he is in the mood to murder anyone!!!

 

[GigTu]

When I read about maybe knowing him I thought drugs or david Sweat and Mitchel! I would cross the street -- that one pic he just looks like he is in the mood to murder anyone!!!

I missed a whole section of conversation it seems. Can you please explain what all this means?

 

[Indy Anna]

The only things I have read in the press about the cash is that $50 was found in her purse and $20 was on the ground near the car--that is $70. I don't know where $60 came from. People keep saying, "well, she wasn't robbed" but we have ZERO info about how much money she had when she left that day. Maybe she carried large amounts of cash with her. Maybe the $50 left in her purse was hidden in a secret pocket-- I know many people who tuck an emergency stash of money somewhere or kept some amount separate from their wallet for special purposes. Maybe he DID grab all the money he saw from her purse and accidentally dropped $20 outside in his hurry to get away. We also have not heard that her bank card was left in her purse. He could have taken that. But we just don't know because LE is getting details quiet.

Good point about the cash!

 

[Indy Anna]

Right and she was allegedly hit on the head and in panic on the call. I know I wouldn't be able to guess the height of someone who hit me on the head and put me in my trunk--she said she wasn't even sure it was her trunk! I find it pretty ironic this man's last name is BigMan though. If she happened to know him and she said through frightened tears she was abducted "by a Bigman..." well that could lead to a lot of confusion and in her condition she may not have been able to clarify what she meant by "big man".

Yes. Maybe Rita had seen reports on this criminal Bigman and recognized him. So, she may have tried telling her family it was Bigman, not "a big man," who hit and abducted her. But, if that's the case, where did the height 6'5 come from? Is that how tall her brother was?

 

[CARIIS]

Has any official confirmed any head injury??

Something akin to: The ME did find contusions on her skull that do indicate she suffered from blunt force trauma correbrating her cell phone report.

That is not comprising a investigation I dont think?

I am asking - could not find it in me to go back and read 1200 posts!!!

Same with the financial angle - what was that about? TIA

 

[CARIIS]

I missed a whole section of conversation it seems. Can you please explain what all this means?

Someone mentioned the possibility that she knew him. So I thought of that other case!

If she knows him- he is not a boyscout - so I would think she was into something criminal.

Have pondered if the missing four hours, driving around - might be drug related- then when this guy came into the possibity of being in the picture .....................

 

[GigTu]

Has any official confirmed any head injury??

Something akin to: The ME did find contusions on her skull that do indicate she suffered from blunt force trauma correbrating her cell phone report.

That is not comprising a investigation I dont think?

I don't think they've confirmed anything.

 

[Gardener1850]

Has any official confirmed any head injury??

Something akin to: The ME did find contusions on her skull that do indicate she suffered from blunt force trauma correbrating her cell phone report.

That is not comprising a investigation I dont think?

I am asking - could not find it in me to go back and read 1200 posts!!!

Same with the financial angle - what was that about? TIA

No, but the autopsy report has not been completed. The ME said he would not release any more findings until toxicology reports came back. They ONLY released the cause of death. That's it. For some reason I feel like they may not want that detail out. IF there is an attacker/abducter, LE may want to make him feel comfortable so he will make a mistake and get caught. If he thinks they are only looking at her death as a suicide he may think he got away with it. It's a possible tactic to withhold that info. I can't think of reason to withhold info like that if they really suspect suicide though. JMO.

 

[CARIIS]

What I , often dont understand is LE stance on not messing up an investigation.

One does not to be a medical examiner to see of someone was clobered on the back of head. If that is the case, the murderer knows he bopped her there. How is that giving up anything? He knows he did it, so it cant be like I better flee now casue they know that.

I think this often too, in a lot of these , they give up more by doing this. It makes sense to me, the way they are playing it, is she did not have any head injuries, then they know something is amiss , in terms of her version of events.

So how one way or the others releasing on this detail how does that compromise anything. If it is there then her tale has more credibility.

I dont get a lot of the times when they wont release stuff , that no matter what options you come up one cant find a "reason" why answering "some " questions give anything up? IMO it happens a lot, with stuff , that later, did not, in fact, harm an investigation

moo

 

[GigTu]

Yes. Maybe Rita had seen reports on this criminal Bigman and recognized him. So, she may have tried telling her family it was Bigman, not "a big man," who hit and abducted her. But, if that's the case, where did the height 6'5 come from? Is that how tall her brother was?

6'5" came from a family member. Rita did not say it. She said 'large like her brother' or something like that.

I doubt she knew this Bigman fellow, plus he JUST abducted the woman in Billings and is still at large. This after Rita had already died. I think his name is coincidental. However, he's been out abducting women in the area so he should be looked into for Rita's case once they catch him.

 

[DatelineFan]

What I , often dont understand is LE stance on not messing up an investigation.

One does not to be a medical examiner to see of someone was clobered on the back of head. If that is the case, the murderer knows he bopped her there. How is that giving up anything? He knows he did it, so it cant be like I better flee now casue they know that.

I think this often too, in a lot of these , they give up more by doing this. It makes sense to me, the way they are playing it, is she did not have any head injuries, then they know something is amiss , in terms of her version of events.

So how one way or the others releasing on this detail how does that compromise anything. If it is there then her tale has more credibility.

I dont get a lot of the times when they wont release stuff , that no matter what options you come up one cant find a "reason" why answering "some " questions give anything up? IMO it happens a lot, with stuff , that later, did not, in fact, harm an investigation

moo

If they release too many details, it can hinder future prosecution. They need as much evidence as possible. They also need as many corroborating witnesses as they can find. If they release everything, the witnesses lose credibility.

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[MelmothTheLost]

That's why my question was 'theoretical' In this case LE or the ME have likely found both bullets...but honestly, I am curious...

If it wasn't for the second bullet casing found in the boot, I'd consider the possibility that perhaps the second shot heard was merely an echo of the first off a nearby building.

 

[Gardener1850]

6'5" came from a family member. Rita did not say it. She said 'large like her brother' or something like that.

I doubt she knew this Bigman fellow, plus he JUST abducted the woman in Billings and is still at large. This after Rita had already died. I think his name is coincidental. However, he's been out abducting women in the area so he should be looked into for Rita's case once they catch him.

Yeah, I don't think it was really him either (despite my post about the name Bigman) but I was thinking maybe he is part of a larger ring of organized crime in the state/area of the country. Early in this thread someone posted about an abduction that took place last year in 2015--they arrested that guy and I think he is still in prison so he couldn't have kidnapped Rita. But at the time that was posted it was speculated that Rita saw that story and decided to fake a copy-cat abduction to disguise her suicide. But a criminal is just as likely (arguably more likely) to do a "copy-cat" crime or to be involved in a "business" that includes such despicable acts. Just how often does abduction occur in Montana/Idaho/Washington States? I had been thinking it was rare or never happened but we have 2 examples of it so far other than Rita's case.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

..... even if the phone was turned off, .....

The phone can still be tracked while switched off, though obviously not everybody knows that.