My Darlie did it theory

[Pocono Sleuther]

She did and was enjoying it; however, it was ending all too soon. The Routiers were making less money than from the previous three years. A LOT less money. They were going broke. The business was failing. Darin worked 24/7 to try and bring the business back to where it had been before, but Darlie was consummed by Darlie's problems that now included the illusion that Darin may be cheating on her. That fight that Darlie and Darin now agree was a hell of a big fight, added onto all of the other stuff we now know Darlie was upset about and you've got the perfect recipie for someone half out of her mind to S N A P.

Jeana, what's your opinion on the diet pills and how they played into her state of mind and nerves? Do you think it's at all possible that the PILLS are to blame for her snapping?

 

[Mary456]

Mary, thank you for clarifying that matter. It has always been my personal belief that Darlie planned this...IMO it was to be a murder/suicide that went horribly wrong when she couldn't finish herself off.

I'll go you one further, Anais, and it took me a long, long time to accept this.

I don't believe Darlie planned to commit suicide, and here's why:

Murder/suicide. Darlie stabs the boys, then cuts herself. Lots of blood on her hands and body at this point. She chickens out, can't kill herself, and decides to blame it on an intruder. Goes to the garage, and cuts the screen.

But there's no blood in the garage. No bloody footprints, not a drop or a smear on the screen or the window frame. That strongly suggests that she cut the screen to implicate an intruder BEFORE any blood was shed. Which means that Darlie planned it all ahead of time. She cut the screen, and then stabbed her sons and herself.

That was the prosecution's theory, based on the blood evidence.

I don't want to believe it - that a mother could be so lacking in human emotion that she would kill her own flesh and blood for attention, but there it is. Unless I'm missing something and if I am, please tell me.

 

[Anais]

I'll go you one further, Anais, and it took me a long, long time to accept this.

I don't believe Darlie planned to commit suicide, and here's why:

Murder/suicide. Darlie stabs the boys, then cuts herself. Lots of blood on her hands and body at this point. She chickens out, can't kill herself, and decides to blame it on an intruder. Goes to the garage, and cuts the screen.

But there's no blood in the garage. No bloody footprints, not a drop or a smear on the screen or the window frame. That strongly suggests that she cut the screen to implicate an intruder BEFORE any blood was shed. Which means that Darlie planned it all ahead of time. She cut the screen, and then stabbed her sons and herself.

That was the prosecution's theory, based on the blood evidence.

I don't want to believe it - that a mother could be so lacking in human emotion that she would kill her own flesh and blood for attention, but there it is. Unless I'm missing something and if I am, please tell me.

Mary,

Excellent point. OMG I hadn't even considered it in that scenario and it makes absolute sense. I do agree that a mother who lacks the essential human emotions which allows her to commit such horrific acts is just unconscionable. There have been so many of them over the last few years now. If I am mistaken Yates was the only one who was totally and completely "out of her mind."

No Mary you didn't miss a thing. (all so very sad and tragic)

 

[whitywendy]

I'll go you one further, Anais, and it took me a long, long time to accept this.

I don't believe Darlie planned to commit suicide, and here's why:

Murder/suicide. Darlie stabs the boys, then cuts herself. Lots of blood on her hands and body at this point. She chickens out, can't kill herself, and decides to blame it on an intruder. Goes to the garage, and cuts the screen.

But there's no blood in the garage. No bloody footprints, not a drop or a smear on the screen or the window frame. That strongly suggests that she cut the screen to implicate an intruder BEFORE any blood was shed. Which means that Darlie planned it all ahead of time. She cut the screen, and then stabbed her sons and herself.


That was the prosecution's theory, based on the blood evidence.

I don't want to believe it - that a mother could be so lacking in human emotion that she would kill her own flesh and blood for attention, but there it is. Unless I'm missing something and if I am, please tell me.

Mary - I feel so stupid that I didn't see that!!! DUH DUH I also never thought she planned on killing herself but just couldn't put my finger on the exact reason as to why I felt this way. Thank U Mary :blowkiss:

 

[whitywendy]

Ponoco, I know you were not asking me about the diet pills but I would like to add my two cents please.

I was taking 1 part of that diet bill last year for about 6 months. While I was taking it I didn't notice that I was more "testy" and would "blow up" quicker than usual. I did not notice this until a month after I stopped taking them.. So since she was taking this pill plus another that was taken off the market due to heart problems, yes I do believe that it made her temper uncontrollable since she had so many other "issues" going on ie money, ppd, Darin poss. cheating.

I will admit I have a terrible temper. I am the type that takes and takes then explodes but I also forgive just as quickly.

 

[Pocono Sleuther]

Whitywendy, thanks for your input. I agree it was a compilation of the stressors in her life. The pills clearly did not make it any better.

And as for the murder/suicide. Ya know, I was just thinking that yesterday! I wonder if she initially thought she had gone far enough to kill herself and then when she just kept bleeding and wasn't passing out or dying, she freaked out. Instead of just lay there and bleed, her survival insinct kicked in. She assumed the boys were dead and she had to do something to explain this away. Maybe Darin's guilt over not recognizing how depressed she was is the reason for his unwavering support. But I'd put a ton of money on her original plan being that of murder/suicide. In a sick way she did love those boys and wasn't going to leave them behind. Plus what better way to get back at Darin who ruined her dream life by having a failing business?!

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana, what's your opinion on the diet pills and how they played into her state of mind and nerves? Do you think it's at all possible that the PILLS are to blame for her snapping?

Oh absolutely. Add to that the fact that she was, according to her, a light sleeper. Was dealing with a very young child and probably wasn't getting enough sleep.

Financial problems;
marital problems;
may believe husband is or was unfaithful;
lack of sleep;
feelings of inadequacy about her looks/weight;
may be losing business.

I'd say this would be enough to set just about anyone over the edge.

 

[Anais]

Add to that the fact that she was according to her, a light sleeper.

This has always also been a major problem for me!

The simple fact that anyone could "sleep" through the horrific stabbing of one's own children. There is simply no amount of money or explanation that can get me to sway my thoughts on the subject!

What do you all think of that?

 

[whitywendy]

This has always also been a major problem for me!

The simple fact that anyone could "sleep" through the horrific stabbing of one's own children. There is simply no amount of money or explanation that can get me to sway my thoughts on the subject!

What do you all think of that?

Hey Anais - The light sleeper part has ALWAYS bugged me. Reason being, the simple fact that I am considered a DEEP sleeper but let one of my kids fuss in the middle of the night and I wake RIGHT UP. The phone could ring, someone could knock on my door and I won't hear it but let one my babies cry, get up (sleep walks) and I am wide awake.

Question - What do you think about all the Dallas DNA issues. Another man has been freed due to DNA evidence clearing him. Apparently Dallas County has the highest rate in the state of Texas. Does it question your stand on Darlie's case? Jeanna what is your opinion about what is happening there in Dallas County, if I may ask?

 

[Anais]

Hey Anais - The light sleeper part has ALWAYS bugged me. Reason being, the simple fact that I am considered a DEEP sleeper but let one of my kids fuss in the middle of the night and I wake RIGHT UP. The phone could ring, someone could knock on my door and I won't hear it but let one my babies cry, get up (sleep walks) and I am wide awake.

Exactly my point Wendy. I too am a very deep sleeper, yet if my kids ever stirred I was up in a flash and Boom at their side. I also have a sleepwalker. Mine are 23,22 and 18. Right now I only have one left at home. One away at college due to graduate this Dec. and the oldest just graduated last year and is now just out on his own!

Question - What do you think about all the Dallas DNA issues. Another man has been freed due to DNA evidence clearing him. Apparently Dallas County has the highest rate in the state of Texas. Does it question your stand on Darlie's case? Jeanna what is your opinion about what is happening there in Dallas County, if I may ask?

Unfortunately in this particular case the entire DNA issue is insignificant and doesn't affect my stand in terms of Darlie's case.

 

[whitywendy]

Exactly my point Wendy. I too am a very deep sleeper, yet if my kids ever stirred I was up in a flash and Boom at their side. I also have a sleepwalker. Mine are 23,22 and 18. Right now I only have one left at home. One away at college due to graduate this Dec. and the oldest just graduated last year and is now just out on his own!



Unfortunately in this particular case the entire DNA issue is insignificant and doesn't affect my stand in terms of Darlie's case.

I started late in life - 7 year old and 2 year old. Sometimes I wish I was in my twenties so I could keep up better but.....I really enjoyed my twenties.... LOL I had to put chains on my doors to keep my child from sleepwalking outside. One night she went straight to the door like she was talking to someone outside trying to let them them in. Very next day I bought the chains. Scary to think about.

In regards to Darlie and the DNA. I would like them to re-test the finger prints just to shut people up. I was more convinced of her guilt because of the ALL of the evidence not just what the DNA proved. However I am sure Darlie's supporters are going to be bringing in this issue regarding Dallas County.

I read something yesterday about a bloody pillow. Now I just don't remember reading about a pillow that had allot of Darlie's blood on it. Is this the pillow she was laying on when she was supposedly attacked? And if so then how come they didn't bring this pillow into evidence at the trial or did I somehow skip that part.

What do you know about it?

 

[weasel]

<<I wonder if she initially thought she had gone far enough to kill herself and then when she just kept bleeding and wasn't passing out or dying, she freaked out>>

I've always thought that. I think her whole scene was supposed to be a murder / suicide.

 

[weasel]

<<I would like them to re-test the finger prints just to shut people up>>

I remember they exumed the children just for that reason and the results were inconclusive. Most experts, I think ... not absolutely sure, have the opinion the fingerprints belonged to an adult.

 

[whitywendy]

<<I wonder if she initially thought she had gone far enough to kill herself and then when she just kept bleeding and wasn't passing out or dying, she freaked out>>

I've always thought that. I think her whole scene was supposed to be a murder / suicide.

Weasel - my problem with the murder/suicide theory is this.... I just can't see her not going through with it after she stabbed/killed her BABIES. I mean just looking at what "I" did to them would be enough for "me" to complete the suicide. And Darlie was supposedly a WONDERFUL LOVING MOTHER. So what mother is going to do that and then say "oops I can't finish the job"? She had no problem showing that knife into their chests so why all of sudden have a problem shoving into her chest? OC just MO

 

[whitywendy]

<<I would like them to re-test the finger prints just to shut people up>>

I remember they exumed the children just for that reason and the results were inconclusive. Most experts, I think ... not absolutely sure, have the opinion the fingerprints belonged to an adult.

Yea but Darlie's expert or so I have read, has stated that the print isn't her's or Darin's which if we were to believe her would put us back to "Who's print is".

 

[Mary456]

Yea but Darlie's expert or so I have read, has stated that the print isn't her's

Wendy, it's a partial print with a whorl pattern in it. The boys have been excluded, but Darlie has not. It's consistent with her ring finger.

 

[GIRattlesnakeJane]

Wendy, it's a partial print with a whorl pattern in it. The boys have been excluded, but Darlie has not. It's consistent with her ring finger.

I read it was consistent with Darin's ring finger than the expert ruled him and Darlie out, this is in her newest appeal efforts info on her website.

 

[Mary456]

This has always also been a major problem for me!

The simple fact that anyone could "sleep" through the horrific stabbing of one's own children. There is simply no amount of money or explanation that can get me to sway my thoughts on the subject!

What do you all think of that?

Lol...well, if I were a supporter, I'd say:

"Of course she didn't sleep through it, you silly boob. She had traumatic amnesia!"

 

[Mary456]

I read it was consistent with Darin's ring finger than the expert ruled him and Darlie out, this is in her newest appeal efforts info on her website.

If you're referring to the partial print on the sofa table, that was shot down by Judge Francis in 1994. He ruled that a fingerprint analyst (an anthropology teacher hired by the defense) used methodology that was not sound, and that trial testimony about the print was accurate.

Darlie could not be excluded.

 

[GIRattlesnakeJane]

I'll go you one further, Anais, and it took me a long, long time to accept this.

I don't believe Darlie planned to commit suicide, and here's why:

Murder/suicide. Darlie stabs the boys, then cuts herself. Lots of blood on her hands and body at this point. She chickens out, can't kill herself, and decides to blame it on an intruder. Goes to the garage, and cuts the screen.

But there's no blood in the garage. No bloody footprints, not a drop or a smear on the screen or the window frame. That strongly suggests that she cut the screen to implicate an intruder BEFORE any blood was shed. Which means that Darlie planned it all ahead of time. She cut the screen, and then stabbed her sons and herself.

That was the prosecution's theory, based on the blood evidence.

I don't want to believe it - that a mother could be so lacking in human emotion that she would kill her own flesh and blood for attention, but there it is. Unless I'm missing something and if I am, please tell me.[/quote

Since no blood is in garage and none of one of the boys blood is on the knife either. Evidence of blood in sink trap mixed with water.
Different knife used to cut screen than used to kill children and injure Darlie. Knife used on screen was returned to butcher block. Bloody fingerprint found on utility door leading to garage.
Whose blood is on door would help to determine order of events.