My theory of the JonBenét Ramsey murder

[CloudedTruth]

UNLESS they really were trying to disguise their writing, which again, I know it would make perfect sense that someone would do that here, so I know that's possible!

You are aware of the fact that PR was ambidextrous, yes? As someone who does believe that she wrote the RN, it's very possible that she did so with her left hand to help disguise it. The other samples of her handwriting as seen above (the Christmas card) were written with her dominant, right hand.

One must also consider the verbiage, the tone and the personality of the writing, not just the handwriting itself. As Gregg McCrary, the noted FBI profiler (who was Ramseys first choice to hire over John Douglas) noted, he felt that the author of the note was well educated, had good linguistic skills and a good grasp on proper sentence structure, and that the note also exhibited signs that it was written by a woman. In direct contrast to the Ramseys claims that this was some psychopathic madman, who would not have had the calmness or patience to compose this note.

Sloppy or neat handwriting does not have a gender. I have seen women with very sloppy handwriting, and I have a male friend whose handwriting is so beautiful most would probably assume his writings were done by a woman.

 

[Cryptic]

The last time the Ramseys participated in the Parade of Homes tour was in 1994.

Ouch. That would likely eliminate the Parade of Homes / Perpetrator possibility and restrict the current alternative theory to either teen age son of a house guest (say, invited for Christmas party) or, teenage / pro lawn, pool. garage guy etc.

 

[mama.s.87]

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That's part of the RN there. (found in this article here: Expert says JonBenet Ramsey's mother penned ransom note)

Is that what you're talking about when you said it looks like feminine handwriting?
Because I look at it, and all I see is a male wrote that without any question or doubt. I'd never guess that a female wrote it.

I'm not trying to just argue with you, because I know there is, of course, no "male" or "female" writing, and that this is a totally subjective opinion, but it's just bizarre to me that so many people think this looks more like a woman may have written it. To me, it's a guy's handwriting for sure, unless maybe it was a female trying to write like a male! That I could see. And that may be exactly what this is, I admit. If Patsy really did write it, I would hope she'd be smart enough to at least try to disguise her handwriting. So who knows, but if so, she fooled me, cuz I'd still bet a male wrote it!

I also feel like (more subjective opinion here!) that it's not easy for a person to disguise their writing, esp. if it goes on for 3 pages like the RN did. I think telltale signs would probably still be detected on close scrutiny. So, just to refresh memories, cuz I'm sure most of you have seen this before, but here's a 1996 Christmas card (written before JB was killed) that has Patsy's handwriting in it. Hope this is big enough where you can see it: (found on Pinterest, but it's in many other places if that's not acceptable) https://www.pinterest.com/pin/jonbenet-case--341921796717366829/

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And wow, to me, it looks sooooo different from the writing in the RN. Surely it does to everyone, right? And yes, I know people will point out that this is cursive and the note is printed, so obviously they'd look different, but I would never believe that a person whose cursive looks like this (above) has non-cursive writing that looks like the RN.

UNLESS they really were trying to disguise their writing, which again, I know it would make perfect sense that someone would do that here, so I know that's possible! I'm not saying this is like rock-solid proof or something, but I just found the contrast interesting and thought it might give someone something to think about, who knows. I'm not hugely into this case anymore, so I don't wanna argue with people about it, and I admit that although I think IDI for sure, I know I could be wrong. So don't take offense if I say I think IDI when you think no way IDI, please. I like reading everyone's theories and opinions from all sides.

I actually sway more to the idi theory actually as well. while I do see female writing, I dont believe it was patsy's writing at all, its clear someone has attempted to hide their writing style, but keeping that up throughout the 3 pages isn't an easy thing. The certain style the letters have, specifically the ones that have been linked to patsy (again i don't see it as hers) Are done in a style that was quite commonly a forced style that was fashionable with females at a time in the 90s to 2000s (anecdotal from my own female experience sure) . I have always wondered due to this, was there a female 18-25 who had been overlooked as a potential suspect. Jonbenet and patsy would have been around many females in the pageant scene, the opportunity for jealousy, ability for closeness. While crimes of this type are not considered the norm for females to commit, it's a thought.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Ouch. That would likely eliminate the Parade of Homes / Perpetrator possibility and restrict the current alternative theory to either teen age son of a house guest (say, invited for Christmas party) or, teenage / pro lawn, pool. garage guy etc.

Yes, it would. I would add that there was no pool, and to my knowledge the Ramseys always hired skilled workers for repairs, improvements, regular maintenance, etc. I am not aware of any teens doing work there.

 

[AuDHD]

Honestly I can’t accept an IDI theory (without new evidence being uncovered somehow). Because there were very powerful well connected people desperate to pin this on some intruder and they never found one.

The Mary Lacy’s and Lou Smits of this case would have thoroughly investigated anyone who stepped foot into the ramsey home in the months leading up to the murder. Their IDI tunnel vision and the lengths they went to in order to find an outsider are well-documented.

Idk if James Kolar has it exactly right, I won’t argue that. His book implies that burke did it by accident or on purpose and Patsy (&likely John) aided in the coverup to protect him. But Kolar seemed to have the best handle on the evidence from the books i’ve read on this case.
Kolar was put in charge of the case for the DA’s office. After taking a year investigating and pouring through evidence, he went to DA mary lacy to present his theory (bc that was his literal job) and she said she was unwilling to damage her relationship with the ramseys by pursuing the evidence he wanted subpoenaed (Burke’s psych and medical records). And that was the end of that. She said bring me the intruder.

So, I try to imagine a district attorney and the lead investigator who preceded Kolar, Lou Smits, Hell-bent on proving the IDI theory. They have pressure to find this intruder coming from all sides- the Ramseys and their well connected friends, the mayor, the governor, etc all publicly wishing for this case to be closed and for this bogey man to be locked up so Boulder can go back to being perfect.

Smits et al had access to all the evidence, fresh witnesses, and the resources that allow flying suspects in from thailand to collect their dna. And they came up with nothing to tie an outsider to this crime.

The small amount of ‘outside male’ DNA in the brand new pair of underpants JBR was dressed in has lent weight to the IDI theory. This persists, despite the fact that, according to Kolar, investigators purchased several packages of underwear from the same brand and tested them off the shelf. Indeed, there was trace dna on many of them from the manufacturing process.

So, that’s why I say that I’m going to need a lot of new evidence to consider an IDI theory.

 

[CloudedTruth]

So, I try to imagine a district attorney and the lead investigator who preceded Kolar, Lou Smits, Hell-bent on proving the IDI theory. They have pressure to find this intruder coming from all sides- the Ramseys and their well connected friends, the mayor, the governor, etc all publicly wishing for this case to be closed and for this bogey man to be locked up so Boulder can go back to being perfect.

And for me, there's the rub........all the folks mentioned here who had direct involvement in solving this case concentrated their efforts on proving the intruder theory instead of following the evidence to solve the case.

And I would love to see this pointed out more often when JR drones on about how the police were unfairly targeting them, and how they didn't investigate anyone else. Is not what the DA, Smit and the defense did in effect the same thing? The DA ran interference for the Ramsey defense team, handing over investigative files which was unprecedented for the prosecution, not to mention highly unethical, refusing to sign off on subpoenas requested by police, admittedly leaking information to the press and the tabloids to make the police look bad, and engaging in a public smear campaign with debunked information about Fleet White in order to discredit him as he spoke out for justice.

 

[AuDHD]

So, I try to imagine a district attorney and the lead investigator who preceded Kolar, Lou Smits, Hell-bent on proving the IDI theory. They have pressure to find this intruder coming from all sides- the Ramseys and their well connected friends, the mayor, the governor, etc all publicly wishing for this case to be closed and for this bogey man to be locked up so Boulder can go back to being perfect.

And for me, there's the rub........all the folks mentioned here who had direct involvement in solving this case concentrated their efforts on proving the intruder theory instead of following the evidence to solve the case.

And I would love to see this pointed out more often when JR drones on about how the police were unfairly targeting them, and how they didn't investigate anyone else. Is not what the DA, Smit and the defense did in effect the same thing? The DA ran interference for the Ramsey defense team, handing over investigative files which was unprecedented for the prosecution, not to mention highly unethical, refusing to sign off on subpoenas requested by police, admittedly leaking information to the press and the tabloids to make the police look bad, and engaging in a public smear campaign with debunked information about Fleet White in order to discredit him as he spoke out for justice.

I’m very sorry that i misspelled boogey man lol whatever my phone doesn’t like that way so I guess it was just a scary golf man terrorizing boulder.

To add to your point: let’s also point this out when ppl ask “why the ramseys would keep making movies and doing public appearances about the murder if they committed it?”

Well, bc they must keep the intruder theory going by any means necessary. What’s the alternative to it? The alternative is that THEY did it. So, the Ramseys will throw any (former) friends under the bus, allegedly lie about when scratches appeared on exterior entry points, whatever it takes to plant that seed of doubt in people’s minds.

Otherwise how will they make money?
and making money is what they care about. I believe they chose it over JBR that night. IMO Something went wrong that night that threatened their idyllic facade, and the parents made an attempt to confuse the crime scene and finished the poor girl off. Then desperately tried to convince themselves they did her a favor after the head blow bc she’s with Jesus now in heaven with no more pain. “Victory Saved By The Cross!”

ps if Patsy didn’t read the whole ransom note before calling 911, as she claimed on the call and maintained in the years after… how did she know it was signed “victory SBTC?” Such an odd thing to recite from the rambling note in a moment of panic.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I’m very sorry that i misspelled boogey man lol whatever my phone doesn’t like that way so I guess it was just a scary golf man terrorizing boulder.

To add to your point: let’s also point this out when ppl ask “why the ramseys would keep making movies and doing public appearances about the murder if they committed it?”

Well, bc they must keep the intruder theory going by any means necessary. What’s the alternative to it? The alternative is that THEY did it. So, the Ramseys will throw any (former) friends under the bus, allegedly lie about when scratches appeared on exterior entry points, whatever it takes to plant that seed of doubt in people’s minds.

Otherwise how will they make money?
and making money is what they care about. I believe they chose it over JBR that night. IMO Something went wrong that night that threatened their idyllic facade, and the parents made an attempt to confuse the crime scene and finished the poor girl off. Then desperately tried to convince themselves they did her a favor after the head blow bc she’s with Jesus now in heaven with no more pain. “Victory Saved By The Cross!”

ps if Patsy didn’t read the whole ransom note before calling 911, as she claimed on the call and maintained in the years after… how did she know it was signed “victory SBTC?” Such an odd thing to recite from the rambling note in a moment of panic.

LOL. Actually, "Bogeyman" is the accepted spelling used in the UK. So maybe your phone is British....

I agree with all of this. And JR is still out there peddling the BS for profit and a new audience (as brought by the shameful Netflix "mockumentary"). He repeats lies that have been debunked for years in the hopes that those of us familiar with the case have forgotten (we haven't!) and that the newer eyes to the case won't bother to research the truth. And he has been making bank on the tragedy of the death of his daughter for a very long time.

All the friends who were in that close circle with the Ramseys are long gone. Some like the Whites clued in to something very off with their ever changing stories and hiding behind powerful lawyers very early on. For others it took longer to recognize the deception, but they all walked away as the Ramseys threw so many people under the bus over time. Their need for self preservation was more important than anything else and that anyone else. If you weren't sucking up to them and helping spread the false narrative (like the Stines) you were out.

I think PR's attempt to distance herself from what happened that night was evident when she said that a demon had entered the house that night. Demons only enter if given the right to enter.

IMO the most obvious sign of so much of this being about money is the children's foundation that the Ramseys set up in JonBenet's name to supposedly help others. JR stated loud and clear that the intention for raising money was to engage in lawsuits. That was it. No traditional fundraising, no seeking out for sponsors......just filing lawsuits against anyone who dared to suggest that what happened to their daughter was an inside job. And what good deeds did the foundation accomplish? Good question! The mission statement and published plans they never even came close to fulfilling. If memory serves, they finally gave away one grant, and that was only because they were asked about what the foundation had actually accomplished on camera. That grant money was then released after the interview because that effectively forced them into compliance with their promise. The foundation was later quietly closed down. So back to the tried and true......skewed programs masquerading as documentaries, continued interviews full of falsehoods, paid appearances at sponsored events such as CrimeCon (despite JAR's insistence that JR does not get paid) and a book that with the purpose of presenting JR and PR as the victims and not the little girl who lost her life that night.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

Demons only enter if given the right to enter.

MSM source link, please.

 

[CloudedTruth]

MSM source link, please.

The idea of demons is mostly based upon one's personal spiritual beliefs. I don't think there is any scientific study to quote, although there is a history in psychiatry of some research to try and explain alleged possession of people undergoing psychiatric care as an explanation for their behavior / distress. Beliefs are Christian based and rooted in studying the Bible.

From what I have researched, those who believe in demons have the belief that they can only enter a home if invited, or if there exists in the home a situation which allows a demon to enter by exploiting those conditions / situations, such as inhabitants engaging in sinful lifestyles, harboring negative emotions such as fear or anger, allowing dark energies in the home, unconfessed sin, immorality, dishonesty or greed and more obvious situations such as practicing witchcraft or other practices rooted in the occult or pagan practices. In these situations it is believed by some that a demon can enter without knowledge of the occupants of the home.

The study of demonology is not a recognized academic discipline, it's mostly religious belief which can be interpreted differently.

Only PR knows what she meant by her statement, and only she made reference to a demon. JR in particular has given many labels to the alleged intruder of which there is scant evidence to prove there was ever an intruder that night, but only PR has used the word "demon". As the Bible describes a demon as a fallen angel or a spiritual entity, as such it is not a physical being. So IMO, given the spiritual and religious beliefs that she held, she was not referring to an individual. She at times seemed to display a sense of remorse, as in when she commented to a friend that, "we didn't mean for this to happen". Seems to imply a sense of guilt. An awareness perhaps that there were dark energies in the Ramsey home? Of course this is all very speculative.

 

[beubeubeu]

ps if Patsy didn’t read the whole ransom note before calling 911, as she claimed on the call and maintained in the years after… how did she know it was signed “victory SBTC?” Such an odd thing to recite from the rambling note in a moment of panic.

Same reason why probably anyone would know if they got a lengthy note of unknown source. IMO. Isnt that what you do: read a bit to figure out what it is and look at the end to check who wrote that.
I do that with every e-mail that isnt spam. I scroll down to see who signed it.
And how do you know shes reciting and not looking at the note while talking on the phone?

 

[CloudedTruth]

Same reason why probably anyone would know if they got a lengthy note of unknown source. IMO. Isnt that what you do: read a bit to figure out what it is and look at the end to check who wrote that.
I do that with every e-mail that isnt spam. I scroll down to see who signed it.
And how do you know shes reciting and not looking at the note while talking on the phone?

But that's not what she told police she did. She said she only read the first few lines. Then she ran to check JB's room (although she has also said she checked before she went downstairs), and then yelled for JR. He then took control of the note.

While she was on the 911 call, JR was supposedly kneeling on the floor reading the whole note which he had laid out on the floor. That's where it was found when police arrived. PR was not holding the note and quoting it.

 

[Cedars]

I hate that these are/were real live people that everyone is having so much fun debating whether they murdered their daughter or not.

Can't people just debate movie plots or cartoons? Imagine if you were the one being speculated on for decades by the public, without ever being prosecuted.

 

[AuDHD]

I hate that these are/were real live people that everyone is having so much fun debating whether they murdered their daughter or not.

Can't people just debate movie plots or cartoons? Imagine if you were the one being speculated on for decades by the public, without ever being prosecuted.

there are a great number of message boards where ppl debate those things! this is a true crime community.