Identified! Mystery couple murdered in South Carolina, 1976 - Pamela Buckley & James Freund #10

I wonder how much evidence still exist in the case of James and Pam.

Some questions I have:
Is it still possible to extract DNA from their clothes?

And the matches from the trucks top, that James had, was it dusted for fingerprints, or DNA?.

It could be that it wasn't from James or Pam at all, but from the killer and James put it in his pocket

Most likely both of them didn't smoke, but it was in his pocket (if I am not mistaken)
So I think he used it very often for making a bonfire, or something?

Wonder how many matches there were left? (was it ever used?)

Grant's Truck Stops --- pictures of the matchbox :
Matchbook Grant's Truck Stops. Idaho,Nebraska,Arizona. WEAR. FULL. K9 | eBay


Didn't lonnie had a brother or family, who was in the military?
The war in Vietnam ended in 1975,I if I am not mistaken.. I don't know, how bad it was, when you returned to the States, as a vet (flowerpower time)
Was it easy to find a job?
Did you get payed, a few years after or got a compensation?
Was it possible to stay in the military?

Or maybe lonnie got involved in smuggling drugs, alcohol, guns, or so to make extra money...

All speculation and Imo.ofcourse..

IIRC, according to the obituary posted a couple pages back stated that Lonnie's brother worked as a butcher for Winn Dixie Supermarket. He retired from there after 30 years. Sounds like he did ok, but may have done things to supplement his income.
 
IIRC, according to the obituary posted a couple pages back stated that Lonnie's brother worked as a butcher for Winn Dixie Supermarket. He retired from there after 30 years. Sounds like he did ok, but may have done things to supplement his income.
Hi, yes I know, but Lonnie had more siblings and extended familie (through marriage)
He and his wife had 2 children, one stillborn (from my memory)
And their other son died drowned at a fishing trip, I think that's why he turned to alcohol.
One of his brother served 2 years in the military, but he passed away before Pam and James were murdered.
It seems that Lonnie's family stayed in their birth area.
Lonnie was a truck driver...he did caused a deadly accident, if I am not mistaken, it must be posted upthread

Lonnie George Henry Sr. (1918-1982) - Find a Grave...

ETA I think he kept the matches in pocket to be used or someone gave it to him, that day.
When they were found, it is stated that they were clean and well cared for.
Clean fingernails etc.
 
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I've always thought the method of execution to be somewhat unusual, perfunctory. Another suggestion that came up here WRT was when someone suggested the killer had military training. As I recall that opinion noted that 3 bullets for each victim, efficiently delivered, had maximium odds of killing the victims while only using 6 bullets. I can't recall who suggested this, but they said that's the way some LE and military were trained to kill. Two shots to the chest/torso to immobilize and the final kill shot to the head. It would be somewhat difficult to do in the dark on an unlit road.

Remember, too, the gun was found in the possession of a local drunk/problem maker, not exactly the type known for Mafia-style hits.

WS member Rich Kelly, who is verified LE, read through this case and noted that the police found the weapon, that means they found the killer or someone very close to him.


Were Henry and/or his brother tied to some people involved in organized crime?

Your post has me (once again) thinking of the murder weapon. IIRC it was reportedly one of several guns stolen... were those guns stolen by a members of a gang or mob operation? If so, then the answer to your last question would seem to be "yes".

After all these years why won't LE disclose where the guns were stolen from and who likely stole them??
 
I don't think that because these brothers had the gun it meant they had to be involved.
People barter all the time, especially back then (high inflation) and in the county (my opinion only as I grew up in a similar environment). People traded cars, guns, hunting dogs, whatever. Or sold guns too. It wasn't such a big deal back then. Obviously this makes these brothers somehow connected to the killers if they weren't the killers. But who knows how many degrees of separation?
 
Is the former market mgr brother the same as the brother who gave the gun as a Christmas gift? I’ve seen more bizarre but he doesn’t seem like one to dabble in stolen guns. That whole gun situation still irks me with this case.

I think there are several sources that claim he was the one that gave George the gun but I can't remember how many of them may be verified and i don't have time to look right now. However I can give you one and that's Matthew Mcdaniel's website. I don't know how the mods or anyone else here feels about it but I most definitely consider him a verified source. He has been recently involved in the investigation with Sumter LE and has seen parts of the case file so when he states "George Henry claims that his brother, Jim Henry had given it to him as a gift" then I'm confident that's what it was.

 
I think there are several sources that claim he was the one that gave George the gun but I can't remember how many of them may be verified and i don't have time to look right now. However I can give you one and that's Matthew Mcdaniel's website. I don't know how the mods or anyone else here feels about it but I most definitely consider him a verified source. He has been recently involved in the investigation with Sumter LE and has seen parts of the case file so when he states "George Henry claims that his brother, Jim Henry had given it to him as a gift" then I'm confident that's what it was.

To add:
"Mr. Jimmy Franklin Henry, 81, of Clarksville Va. and formerly of Durham, NC"

"After growing up in Morven and Wadesboro, NC, serving in the US Army from 1951 to 1953"
SBM

(There is a picture of him on the memorial site:)
Jimmy Franklin Mr. Henry Obituary 2012 - Leavitt Funeral Home
 
I don't think that because these brothers had the gun it meant they had to be involved.
People barter all the time, especially back then (high inflation) and in the county (my opinion only as I grew up in a similar environment). People traded cars, guns, hunting dogs, whatever. Or sold guns too. It wasn't such a big deal back then. Obviously this makes these brothers somehow connected to the killers if they weren't the killers. But who knows how many degrees of separation?

It was less than a half year between the murders and Henry having the gun confiscated so I think this makes for less degrees of separation. It's likely that George knew more. He may have been covering for someone or may have told LE everything he knew. LE said they believed he was holding back and this may be true but they could also have been trying to protect him. These were some cold people that did something like this.
I don't know how much the brother would have known about who had the gun in their possession that night but I think he told LE that he gave it to George five year prior. According to Sheriff Parnell it was stolen in 1974. That doesn't add up, so why would he lie?
 
Either I don't know or I forgot if this has been discussed. I did a quick search of these threads and I can't find anything. I was just wondering if this was our Pam Buckley performing at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln. I looked up the Kosmet Klub but I still can't tell if they only used students in their performances and I'm not all that good with pictures so thought I would ask for another opinion.

Lincoln Journal Star
March 28, 1971
Page 61

 
Either I don't know or I forgot if this has been discussed. I did a quick search of these threads and I can't find anything. I was just wondering if this was our Pam Buckley performing at the University of Nebraska in Lincoln. I looked up the Kosmet Klub but I still can't tell if they only used students in their performances and I'm not all that good with pictures so thought I would ask for another opinion.

Lincoln Journal Star
March 28, 1971
Page 61


The photo does look like her. It's black and white, but the hair looks the same color and style.
 

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NOT saying this is the James being discussed, but I think it may be the James we're discussing:

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From Mount Joy PA newspaper, Mt Joy has apartments called the Harvestview. Mount Joy is in Lancaster County, and Elizabethtown College would be about 10 miles away. But I looked at what I believe are the college yearbooks and didn't spot anyone by this name in there. (Probably nothing surprising about that at all since college yearbooks generally aren't the "big thing" that hs yearbooks are.)

I'm seeing a lot of discussion about tobacco on the threads. Interestingly, Mount Joy had what was called the Tobacco Barn, which I guess had been a fully operational tobacco farm right up through the 1970s, when it was being transitioned for commercial use.

Also something to think about is that earlier reference in here to Sunlending in Taos. Was Pam still a member by the time the band went to Taos? Because the tension had reached a boiling point in Taos by the 70s, many locals really, really resented all the hippies flooding into the area and it developed into the so-called "Hippie-Chicano War," which did (according to multiple sources) erupt into acts of vandalism and violence. For a variety of reasons, most of the communes were gone by 1980.
 
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NOT saying this is the James being discussed, but I think it may be the James we're discussing:

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From Mount Joy PA newspaper, Mt Joy has apartments called the Harvestview. Mount Joy is in Lancaster County, and Elizabethtown College would be about 10 miles away. But I looked at what I believe are the college yearbooks and didn't spot anyone by this name in there. (Probably nothing surprising about that at all since college yearbooks generally aren't the "big thing" that hs yearbooks are.)

I'm seeing a lot of discussion about tobacco on the threads. Interestingly, Mount Joy had what was called the Tobacco Barn, which I guess had been a fully operational tobacco farm right up through the 1970s, when it was being transitioned for commercial use.

Also something to think about is that earlier reference in here to Sunlending in Taos. Was Pam still a member by the time the band went to Taos? Because the tension had reached a boiling point in Taos by the 70s, many locals really, really resented all the hippies flooding into the area and it developed into the so-called "Hippie-Chicano War," which did (according to multiple sources) erupt into acts of vandalism and violence. For a variety of reasons, most of the communes were gone by 1980.
Great find on James. When I searched newspapers in that area of PA, I didn’t find many other people with the Freund last name other than James and his immediate family. It’s possible that’s him at Elizabethtown College. He had finished his military service and would have been eligible for the GI college subsidy.

What if Sunlending performed a concert at Elizabethtown College and James and Pamela met there?
 
Wondering if Edward Surratt isn't someone they should be considering on this case. I know they keep mentioning the execution-style murders, but I cannot (like others on here) figure out why the victims would then be on their backs instead of bowed-down and/or facing forward. I know it's possible, but how likely would that be? I find the explanation that the killer murdered them in the vehicle more plausible, but that is at odds with what the hermit says, which was that that he (the hermit) saw the two victims exit the vehicle. (Please correct me if this is in error, but this is what I've seen.)

Edward Surratt was a Vietnam vet who murdered and assaulted in South Carolina, Florida, and possibly Pennsylvania and Ohio. He seemed to have a preference for targeting couples. He took vehicles from victims and drove them around miles and miles away from where he'd originally obtained the vehicles. He used bats, usually a shotun (not always), evidently his bare hands, and I'm pretty sure I saw a .38 mentioned in at least one case. He was a truck driver working for a firm based in the Carolinas (I see some sources saying North, others South Carolina), he often traveled into Pennsylvania. His South Carolina victims (June 1978) were in Columbia, an hour from Sumter. Not saying it's him, but it's definitely somethng to be watching for, jmo. Because if it's not him, it may be someone like him.


I am still researching Surratt and checking for his date of parole in the 70s. If the date I see of January '77 is correct, then it couldn't have been him, but I'm only seeing date of release on parole in one source, which can sometimes be unreliable.
 
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Wondering if Edward Surratt isn't someone they should be considering on this case. I know they keep mentioning the execution-style murders, but I cannot (like others on here) figure out why the victims would then be on their backs instead of bowed-down and/or facing forward. I know it's possible, but how likely would that be? I find the explanation that the killer murdered them in the vehicle more plausible, but that is at odds with what the hermit says, which was that that he (the hermit) saw the two victims exit the vehicle. (Please correct me if this is in error, but this is what I've seen.)

Edward Surratt was a Vietnam vet who murdered and assaulted in South Carolina, Florida, and possibly Pennsylvania and Ohio. He seemed to have a preference for targeting couples. He took vehicles from victims and drove them around miles and miles away from where he'd originally obtained the vehicles. He used bats, usually a shotun (not always), evidently his bare hands, and I'm pretty sure I saw a .38 mentioned in at least one case. He was a truck driver working for a firm based in the Carolinas (I see some sources saying North, others South Carolina), he often traveled into Pennsylvania. His South Carolina victims (June 1978) were in Columbia, an hour from Sumter. Not saying it's him, but it's definitely somethng to be watching for, jmo. Because if it's not him, it may be someone like him.


I am still researching Surratt and checking for his date of parole in the 70s. If the date I see of January '77 is correct, then it couldn't have been him, but I'm only seeing date of release on parole in one source, which can sometimes be unreliable.

I’m not sure how much stock is put into the Hermit account, much like the campground story. Sarratt is surely worth looking into but we go back to the murder weapon being found locally. The place where they were found seems like an easy side trip from the interstate but also a place that locals would know.
 

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