Mystery Man Surveillance

[jjenny]

I've seen homeless people carry dolls - are we sure these sightings are of real children?

Also, we had a case in Provo-Orem Utah a couple of years ago, where a mother passed out drunk and the baby managed to crawl out of the house, crawl two blocks, and was found crawling down the middle of State Street (US 89) in the middle of the night.

I don't think we are sure of anything at this point.

 

[laytonian]

THE most important part of this report is the carpet in the house. If the cadaver dog "hit" on it, and then LE got a warrant, why the heck didn't they take the carpet? That supports my possible theory that LE "faked" the hit to get the search warrant (as in, used a less trained dog). That would also explain why they wanted the warrant sealed.

According to WS's SAR experts, there are certifications for the best trained dogs, but there are a lot of less than well-trained dogs (and handlers). That would be a really easy way to get a judge to sign off on a warrant, just bring in a handler who (wink,wink) knows what LE wants. Of course, if they really want to search, they would get a certified, highly trained dog.

There is absolutely no other reason that LE would have left the carpet on the floor. They left it because they know there is nothing on it.

Just my own little opinion, of course.

Do you really believe that LE would dare faking evidence, when that would cause the entire case to be thrown out?

Do you have an MSM cite, that says no carpet samples were taken from the home? Since the home is considered a crime scene and the parents are not being allowed back in, there's no need to take that carpet anywhere right now.

 

[BlackFoxKC]

The search warrant didn't say the dog hit on carpet, did it?

I don't believe LE has had to fake anything nor has any WS SAR experts here even suggested it.

JMO

From the 18 October 2011 affidavit for search warrant:

"On October 17, 2011, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the residence upon consent of Irwin and Bradley. The cadaver dog indicted a positive "hit" on for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed."

No discussions of carpet, rugs, etc. Just "area of the floor."

 

[3doglady]

From the 18 October 2011 affidavit for search warrant:

"On October 17, 2011, an FBI cadaver dog was brought into the residence upon consent of Irwin and Bradley. The cadaver dog indicted a positive "hit" on for the scent of a deceased human in an area of the floor of Bradley's bedroom near the bed."

No discussions of carpet, rugs, etc. Just "area of the floor."

The bedroom was fully carpeted and Short showed that the carpet had not been pulled up. So I'm not sure how the dog could have hit on the floor without also hitting on the carpet.

 

[matou]

THE most important part of this report is the carpet in the house. If the cadaver dog "hit" on it, and then LE got a warrant, why the heck didn't they take the carpet? That supports my possible theory that LE "faked" the hit to get the search warrant (as in, used a less trained dog). That would also explain why they wanted the warrant sealed.

According to WS's SAR experts, there are certifications for the best trained dogs, but there are a lot of less than well-trained dogs (and handlers). That would be a really easy way to get a judge to sign off on a warrant, just bring in a handler who (wink,wink) knows what LE wants. Of course, if they really want to search, they would get a certified, highly trained dog.

There is absolutely no other reason that LE would have left the carpet on the floor. They left it because they know there is nothing on it.

Just my own little opinion, of course.

The local lawyer Cyndy Short stated that LE were parading the carpet in and out from the shed (and into the house I think). I wonder if it's possible that police took the carpet from the bedroom and replaced it with the carpet from the shed? I know that's over the top ridiculous but why would LE walk around with this roll of carpet and parade it in and out? In and out of where? The roll looked fairly large. The police were in there for 17 hours.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want

 

[3doglady]

Do you really believe that LE would dare faking evidence, when that would cause the entire case to be thrown out?

Do you have an MSM cite, that says no carpet samples were taken from the home? Since the home is considered a crime scene and the parents are not being allowed back in, there's no need to take that carpet anywhere right now.

The attorney and media were allowed in the house so I'm assuming the parents are too. LE would need to take the carpet to preserve evidence.

 

[Darcyline]

Not to mention the fact it could be one of Lisa's parents walking out of the "woods." Doesn't support the kidnapping theory in any way, shape, or form, based on that grainy video.

Or an accomplice. I am still half-convinced someone else helped and not the dad. Not a popular theory, but I cannot shake it at this point.

 

[matou]

The bedroom was fully carpeted and Short showed that the carpet had not been pulled up. So I'm not sure how the dog could have hit on the floor without also hitting on the carpet.

But Short actually pulls up the carpet herself. There is no metal plate thing holding it down at the doorway at all. A tripping hazard or did police take the metal thing?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The bedroom was fully carpeted and Short showed that the carpet had not been pulled up. So I'm not sure how the dog could have hit on the floor without also hitting on the carpet.

. . . something laid on top of the carpet.

 

[Donjeta]

If LE had a mind to go as far as fake a HRD dog hit, I can't see why they wouldn't cut a piece of the carpet just for show. Later you can always say that the lab tests didn't reveal anything of informational value.

 

[matou]

Do you really believe that LE would dare faking evidence, when that would cause the entire case to be thrown out?

Do you have an MSM cite, that says no carpet samples were taken from the home? Since the home is considered a crime scene and the parents are not being allowed back in, there's no need to take that carpet anywhere right now.

"The carpet that was paraded in and out that we were allowed to see actually came from the shed at the back of the house, and it was not inside the house at all. There is no carpeting that was removed from any portion of the house," said Short.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want

But I think LE took something, underpad or the metal thingy that holds the carpet edge down at a door way.

 

[Karmaa]

The search warrant didn't say the dog hit on carpet, did it?

I don't believe LE has had to fake anything nor has any WS SAR experts here even suggested it.

JMO

Ummmm... I think you misread what I wrote. I never EVER said that the WS SAR experts said that LE faked, could have faked, might have faked anything.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

"The carpet that was paraded in and out that we were allowed to see actually came from the shed at the back of the house, and it was not inside the house at all. There is no carpeting that was removed from any portion of the house," said Short.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want

But I think LE took something, underpad or the metal thingy that holds the carpet edge down at a door way.

It irks me that Short is implying that the carpet was "paraded in and out" for the benefit of public consumption.

If anyone is trying to sway public opinion it is Short, JT and BS. The local LE and FBI have kept quiet and seem to be making an effort to avoid revelations of any sort.

IMO there's a lot of manipulation going on here by media and the parents' legal representatives but not by any arm of LE.

 

[Karmaa]

Do you really believe that LE would dare faking evidence, when that would cause the entire case to be thrown out?

Do you have an MSM cite, that says no carpet samples were taken from the home? Since the home is considered a crime scene and the parents are not being allowed back in, there's no need to take that carpet anywhere right now.

Of course I believe that LE would fake something like that. They do it all the time. They never planned to use that "evidence" in a trial. They just needed a reason to get probable cause to get the search warrant. And the courts have held consistently that incorrect information on a search warrant does not constitute "fruit from the poison tree". So, even if LE out and out lied, the search warrant is valid.

I have nothing but respect for people who put their lives on the line for us. And I don't even have a problem with them lying during an investigation. They do it all the time, and even most of them will admit it.

 

[madge]

but were we lead to believe the dogs hit on "carpet". We'd most likely think so since it said "floor". What the defense attorney is failing to understand that possibly the dog hit on items on the floor, not the carpet itself. She's been HAD.

 

[~n/t~]

http://www.fox4kc.com/news/wdaf-theorie ... 1386.story
Theories Abound About Lisa Irwin and Local Investigators Will Not Comment On Them

ABC News claims Kansas City, Mo. police are looking at surveillance video from a nearby gas station, video ABC says may support the theory that Lisa Irwin was abducted from her home in the middle of the night.

However, when FOX 4 asked KCMO Police about the report and the video, police responded with an email to us, which indicated they consider these national news theories and investigations rogue and amateur, if not unhelpful.

Surveillance video obtained by ABC News comes from a BP gas station near the Irwin house. It shows a man emerging from the woods at about 2:30 a.m. although it doesn't appear he is carrying a baby.

Capt. Steve Young, Public Information Officer with the police department responded to the latest national news theory with the following email:

"I know you have to ask, but I cannot comment on details and don't want to even try keeping up with media freelance investigations."

All I have to say is I'm really disappointed by the reply. Either LE knows Lisa is dead and if that's the case, why don't they announce it so people will stop calling in leads and tips. If not, why are they shrugging it off as rogue and amateur. If this person is seen in the tape going into a wooded area, around the time baby Lisa was allegedly abducted close to a dumpster where possible burnt clothing was found (unconfirmed), what is the freakin deal for LE to check it out and rule it out.

WTF? We either have a kidnapped child or not. Frankly, I think LE is the one playing the games here and I am disgusted by the way it's being handled.

If Lisa was kidnapped, she is out there. Do they want people to stop looking or what?

This is insane!

 

[jjenny]

All I have to say is I'm really disappointed by the reply. Either LE knows Lisa is dead and if that's the case, why don't they announce it so people will stop calling in leads and tips. If not, why are they shrugging it off as rogue and amateur. If this person is seen in the tape going into a wooded area, around the time baby Lisa was allegedly abducted close to a dumpster where possible burnt clothing was found (unconfirmed), what is the freakin deal for LE to check it out and rule it out.

WTF? We either have a kidnapped child or not. Frankly, I think LE is the one playing the games here and I am disgusted by the way it's being handled.

If Lisa was kidnapped, she is out there. Do they want people to stop looking or what?

This is insane!

The blob is not going into the wooded area. Supposedly the blob is coming out of the wooded area (although I don't even see that from the video).

 

[norest4thewicked]

All I have to say is I'm really disappointed by the reply. Either LE knows Lisa is dead and if that's the case, why don't they announce it so people will stop calling in leads and tips. If not, why are they shrugging it off as rogue and amateur. If this person is seen in the tape going into a wooded area, around the time baby Lisa was allegedly abducted close to a dumpster where possible burnt clothing was found (unconfirmed), what is the freakin deal for LE to check it out and rule it out.

WTF? We either have a kidnapped child or not. Frankly, I think LE is the one playing the games here and I am disgusted by the way it's being handled.

If Lisa was kidnapped, she is out there. Do they want people to stop looking or what?

This is insane!

How do you know that LE hasn't checked the person in the video out? Just because you and I don't know about it doesn't mean that it hasn't been done. And, LE doesn't owe the public anything. They are trying to find Lisa, one way or the other, no matter where it ends.

 

[Karmaa]

The local lawyer Cyndy Short stated that LE were parading the carpet in and out from the shed (and into the house I think). I wonder if it's possible that police took the carpet from the bedroom and replaced it with the carpet from the shed? I know that's over the top ridiculous but why would LE walk around with this roll of carpet and parade it in and out? In and out of where? The roll looked fairly large. The police were in there for 17 hours.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/15788106/local-attorney-we-might-not-get-the-happy-ending-that-we-want

Cops don't replace or fix things following a search. That's why I thought they wanted the SW in the first place. I figured they were going to do some serious damage, and if they asked the family if it was OK to rip down walls, pull pipes up and so on, that the family might have said no.

If they know they are innocent they would know that there was noting in the walls or floors, and that LE was just on a fishing trip, I can see them saying no. I have heard of cases where $100,000 damage was done by police searches.

 

[Inspector Gidget]

Just more games playing in one big circle.Let's get this out in all the media networks to take the heat off the parents.Next thing they will say is Zanny the Nanny took her.Then I will keel over with chest pains.One question I have for "DB".Where is Lisa????