Mystery: Who removed the memorials? UPDATE The A's and the Milsteads that's who

[songline]

Wrong, I am not automatically believing what either party said.

Bottom line for me is this in plain and simple words.

CA/GA both declared publicly that neither had or would visit Caylee's memorial site on Suburban.

They did, they acknowledge they did under cover of darkness.

THEY LIED.

Why are you surprised? all they do is :liar:
I wonder what else they did under cover of darkness.
No, I don't...I am sure.....Called Diverting an investigation before that 31st day call to 911. JMHO

 

[lin]

I am not saying that the women who left the cross were not chased but lets get real for a minute.

We are automatically believing what they said happened as gospel and is the truth. We do not know for sure what happened here and there are a lot of questions I have about this whole thing. I am not going to jump to conclusions. We can all take hypothetically what we think happened and keep bashing the Anthony family over and over but what does it change. IMO absolutely nothing.

And please do not say you know for sure YOU know how you would react if you were ever put in the same situation as the Anthony family because believe me you do not know for sure. Not everyone handles something like this the same way. I for one would not ever want to live for even one minute in the shoes these people have been placed in and again IMO by no fault of there own. There daughter is accused of killing her daugher and there granddaughter this is a terrible thing to even comprehend in my own mind. I can only pray for these people and hope that someday they will find peace in all that has happened in this almost a year of living a he**.

We accept the parts of the story the parties agree upon. As for the rest, one story makes sense and the other doesn't. Why chase these people down instead of calling 911 from home, if that is one's intent, as claimed, when one admits to getting out of their car to confront the women? And as has been pointed out, the A's don't specifically deny the women's version, they just seem to want to soften it and turn the tables. However, as I said, their version doesn't make sense on the face of it. Why approach a "suspicious vehicle" to inform them you're going to call 911? Why not just call? And did the A's ever call? All I heard about was the women calling 911 and flagging down a trooper.

 

[countzero]

Why are you surprised? all they do is :liar:
I wonder what else they did under cover of darkness.
No, I don't...I am sure.....Called Diverting an investigation before that 31st day call to 911. JMHO

Oh Songline, I am not the one surprised. If others don't see their lying ways, that's ok too.

 

[Micheline]

The video clearly shows the women hammering the cross into the ground in bright sunshine ............ not under the cover of darkness.

The video of Lois and the other woman imo is from the next morning (around noon looking at the shadow), putting up another cross.
Both women wear the exact same clothes when putting up the cross as when interviewed by Wesh and entering the sheriffs office.

 

[akashana]

I see what you are saying lin, but I am still not clear on the child not being present. I hope that she wasn't, certainly. To me the way it reads is rather vague, but no mention is made of the child not being there. It states she was there, then that "they" returned. Quite possibly they took her home; I don't know, but I still maintain that cannot be inferred from the article.

I am interested to know if you have other knowledge.

 

[countzero]

We accept the parts of the story the parties agree upon. As for the rest, one story makes sense and the other doesn't. Why chase these people down instead of calling 911 from home, if that is one's intent, as claimed, when one admits to getting out of their car to confront the women? And as has been pointed out, the A's don't specifically deny the women's version, they just seem to want to soften it and turn the tables. However, as I said, their version doesn't make sense on the face of it. Why approach a "suspicious vehicle" to inform them you're going to call 911? Why not just call? And did the A's ever call? All I heard about was the women calling 911 and flagging down a trooper.

Oh my gosh, I about fell out of my chair! Either reading your excellent post or the lightening bolt that just shot by my home.

Why didn't the A clan dial 911? Cause they were in a vehicle that pretends to be 911. No need to dial yourself.

 

[songline]

bold by me:

Exactly my point I raised in this thread. The A camp has a history of "stunts" being pulled then lying about them. Most we are exposed to, know and have discussed.

I don't believe for one moment that this is the FIRST attempt at "attempting to be discrete". They had 31 days to be discrete and go out under the cover of darkness. They had 31 days to create a story.

Enough is enough for us and Orlando folk but the A's aren't finished yet, unfortunately. I give it 12 days max.

I really hope many people will be out there with cameras, it is enough how much they have cleaned up. I really did start out with compassion, then with "LETS SEE" we had seen enough they belong locked up. I only hope that the DA is waiting to get them but good. Especially under oath.

I know the Milstiens moved in because they lost their house, but maybe they are in because they know that C&G are going to jail and not in the distant future. I HOPE

 

[lin]

I don't see how a site like that advocates for Caylee at all. I haven't seen it, but based on what I read it mocks her death scene in a grotesque way. I live not far from New Orleans, home of the Mardi Gras, the free show of satire and parody where there are no sacred cows, so I can understand, appreciate and laugh my head off at the "tributes" they portray. But this is a little girl's murder, and maybe I've lost my sense of humor, but it's not appropriate in any way to me.

I understand and respect your opinion just as much as I respect those that feel compelled to go and take balloons, teddybears, flowers, crosses, notes, cards, etc. to that site. I haven't seen it in person but I think I'd be very, very moved if I went.

 

[travelgal]

I agree that they need help, and apparently they are getting it.
Most psychologists/psychiatrists would suggest a person remove themselves from the toxic environment that is causing the distress, but how can the a's do that?
This is in their face every single day. not only are they dealing with a murdered grandchild, but their own daughter is the accused. They have media fighting to get the latest scoop, people who falsly appear as friends who betray them, people have sent them death threats, 'bloggers' analyzing their every action or comment, the trial looming, and people deliberately trying to bait them into an angry state, for their own personal gain.

Its no wonder that they are still not coping. Dealing with everything else takes time away from the healing process.perhaps this is why they are stuck in the anger phase.
ETA: The Kubler-Ross book was a godsend for me when I was dealing with the death of my father.

Please note your words I have made bold & red:

The A's are getting help?? News to me. I sincerely wish they would get clinical psychological help. However, I do not recall learning that they are receiving any treatment whatsoever. Please enlighten me if I am incorrect.

To your remarks regarding what they face everyday - media, protestors, "bloggers", et al, I borrow these words from Marc Klaas (Founder of Klass Kids) "the Anthony's would do well to stay home, out of the eye of the media, keeping their mouths shut, their doors locked and the drapes closed."

I agree with you that Kubler-Ross's books are very helpful.

 

[lin]

I see what you are saying lin, but I am still not clear on the child not being present. I hope that she wasn't, certainly. To me the way it reads is rather vague, but no mention is made of the child not being there. It states she was there, then that "they" returned. Quite possibly they took her home; I don't know, but I still maintain that cannot be inferred from the article.

I am interested to know if you have other knowledge.

Exactly; earlier they were with the child and she was listed as there. Later it was four women and no mention of the child. Likely they'd have listed her again, as they did for the first instance, had she been there.

 

[countzero]

I really hope many people will be out there with cameras, it is enough how much they have cleaned up. I really did start out with compassion, then with "LETS SEE" we had seen enough they belong locked up. I only hope that the DA is waiting to get them but good. Especially under oath.

I know the Milstiens moved in because they lost their house, but maybe they are in because they know that C&G are going to jail and not in the distant future. I HOPE

I know you did Songline. And I can feel your disappointment in reading your posts, reading how you have changed direction ever so slowly and with deliberation.

What I fail to understand is why, on God's green earth, did the A clan challenge anyone? If they wanted to keep the removal(s) on the Q.T. they should have just taken off in the opposite direction or scouted the area to see if anyone else was scouting the area. They read the paper, watch TV, read "blogs" and know the removal of the memorial items was not sitting well with people. Yet, they continued only to "get caught".

This incident belongs on that show that has the stupid criminal acts. Where everyone gets a good laugh at the criminal's expense of stupidity. :bang: And if the A clan continues to go out there against advise of counsel, well ............... fill in the blank ................

 

[akashana]

The nice thing about this forum is that we can agree to disagree and stay remain polite and cordial. It's really refreshing to share that level of civility on a discussion board.

 

[songline]

How do we know that George and Cindy have " deleted " Caylee from their memories? I never used the word memoryYou, I and no one knows what goes on behind closed doors at the Anthonys. You and I songline and others know the public side of George and Cindy and what lying sacks of donkey doo that they are. Most of us don't believe a word of crap that they spew.
Anyone who knows me knows I won't put up with dishonesty and I stand firm when I say those women who put the cross at Caylees Memorial Site had an agenda and it wasn't an honest agenda. They should have just left the cross, said their condolences and left the site. and you have a right to that opinion
It was wrong for C&G and their buddies to follow these women I wholeheartedly agree but at the same time they asked for it by taking the photograph of George in the car.
WHAT WAS THEIR PURPOSE IN TAKING THE PHOTOGRAPH??? What was the dad blame honest truth about why they took that photo! What did the women plan on doing with the photo???? If I were the police I would ask those gals those questions and see what their answers are about taking the photograph of G&C. We already know the Anthony's are deceitful. Thats not news.

G&A and the rest of them have done nothing but lie, they are not representing CAYLEE in court, in fact only the state is.
they did not help the search team, in fact they diverted them;
They are IMO using CAYLEE'S name in vain with a foundation to feed their own fat azzes. THEY ARE NOT BEHIND CAYLEE.
and I am not interested in WHY that is - it is wrong.
I hope many people will be out there with cameras daily...because these people just lie, and someone will eventually get more proof of how much they lie.
I never said they erased her from thier memory. I said it like it is - no they do not represent Caylee, and are not looking for justice for Caylee, and will not stand behind her in court.
When they speak they speak Casey.

 

[Elphaba]

As posted by the Sentinel:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-anthony-chase-060209,0,317536.story


"Lois Peter, 56, said she went to the site on Suburban Drive on Monday night with her 13-year-old granddaughter and two adult friends to leave a cross and see if anyone would take it.

They arrived about 8:30 p.m. and watched the site from their car. That's when they noticed Dennis Milstead of Kid Finders Network, and friend of the Anthonys, driving up and down Suburban Drive"

It plainly points out who was in the car with Lois when the crap hit the fan.

 

[SailorMoon]

I really hope many people will be out there with cameras, it is enough how much they have cleaned up. I really did start out with compassion, then with "LETS SEE" we had seen enough they belong locked up. I only hope that the DA is waiting to get them but good. Especially under oath.

I know the Milstiens moved in because they lost their house, but maybe they are in because they know that C&G are going to jail and not in the distant future. I HOPE

I hope the last paragraph is true, I really do. If G&C do go to jail, the Milsteads will take everything they ever had, IMO. And G&C will be sitting in the jail visitorless. In my opinion of course.

 

[mermaid55]

As posted by the Sentinel:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/caylee-anthony/orl-bk-anthony-chase-060209,0,317536.story


"Lois Peter, 56, said she went to the site on Suburban Drive on Monday night with her 13-year-old granddaughter and two adult friends to leave a cross and see if anyone would take it.

They arrived about 8:30 p.m. and watched the site from their car. That's when they noticed Dennis Milstead of Kid Finders Network, and friend of the Anthonys, driving up and down Suburban Drive"

It plainly points out who was in the car with Lois when the crap hit the fan.

See what I mean.That woman is a pot stirrer.I bet we see the pics in the next Enquier.

 

[akashana]

I know you did Songline. And I can feel your disappointment in reading your posts, reading how you have changed direction ever so slowly and with deliberation.

What I fail to understand is why, on God's green earth, did the A clan challenge anyone? If they wanted to keep the removal(s) on the Q.T. they should have just taken off in the opposite direction or scouted the area to see if anyone else was scouting the area. They read the paper, watch TV, read "blogs" and know the removal of the memorial items was not sitting well with people. Yet, they continued only to "get caught".

This incident belongs on that show that has the stupid criminal acts. Where everyone gets a good laugh at the criminal's expense of stupidity. :bang: And if the A clan continues to go out there against advise of counsel, well ............... fill in the blank ................

This is the facet of the Anthonys that has me so darkly fascinated: their inabilty to look ahead and perceive the negative effect their present actions will have on their future. Time after time. If I were the author writing the book on this case, I would definitely expound on that as one of the themes. I don't see them as completely stupid; Cindy is a nurse, and that's a degree if she's an R.N. George, not as much education, but he's not an idiot. And still yet they can't recognize how their own behaviors work against them. How is that possible? Surely people have spoken bluntly to them in an effort to get them to change their M.O. But we see no change. And from a psychological perspective that's interesting. I have to say that in my own life when I had negative results from negative behaviors I did some self-examination and made some changes. Some several times. Point is I recognized that if akashana wanted A, then akashana needed to quit doing B and try C. It wasn't a high-minded thing in any way. It was motivated purely by self interest. I see the self interest in these folks. I'm still waiting on the self awareness.

 

[songline]

I know you did Songline. And I can feel your disappointment in reading your posts, reading how you have changed direction ever so slowly and with deliberation.

What I fail to understand is why, on God's green earth, did the A clan challenge anyone? If they wanted to keep the removal(s) on the Q.T. they should have just taken off in the opposite direction or scouted the area to see if anyone else was scouting the area. They read the paper, watch TV, read "blogs" and know the removal of the memorial items was not sitting well with people. Yet, they continued only to "get caught".

This incident belongs on that show that has the stupid criminal acts. Where everyone gets a good laugh at the criminal's expense of stupidity. :bang: And if the A clan continues to go out there against advise of counsel, well ............... fill in the blank ................

I always begin with lets give them a chance, who ever it may be, I always say lets hear them out, I always try to read between the lines; I believe in compassion, and I believe in justice. Watching this family for almost one year I would have to say They changed my mind and I do not get conned they are of that ilk. I cant give them a pass anymore.
too much went down...and this new attorney turns my stomach too.
I do not do jury duty on criminal cases NO - only on civil cases.
Because my heart goes out to people and these people do not deserve my heart. I hope I answered you in short.
:blowkiss::blowkiss::blowkiss:

 

[akashana]

I'm afraid even to ask who "Murt" is . . .

 

[countzero]

See what I mean.That woman is a pot stirrer.I can't believe she still has custody of her granddaughter.I bet we see the pics in the next Enquier.

This is the facet of the Anthonys that has me so darkly fascinated: their inabilty to look ahead and perceive the negative effect their present actions will have on their future. Time after time. If I were the author writing the book on this case, I would definitely expound on that as one of the themes. I don't see them as completely stupid; Cindy is a nurse, and that's a degree if she's an R.N. George, not as much education, but he's not an idiot. And still yet they can't recognize how their own behaviors work against them. How is that possible? Surely people have spoken bluntly to them in an effort to get them to change their M.O. But we see no change. And from a psychological perspective that's interesting. I have to say that in my own life when I had negative results from negative behaviors I did some self-examination and made some changes. Some several times. Point is I recognized that if akashana wanted A, then akashana needed to quit doing B and try C. It wasn't a high-minded thing in any way. It was motivated purely by self interest. I see the self interest in these folks. I'm still waiting on the self awareness.

Not only that if the above post quote is correct and Suburban dead ends at the school, then the A clan CLEARLY saw another vehicle sitting there in wait. Yet they continued on to do their dirty deed of removing Caylee's memorial items.

I don't know how many times the A clan have been to the site in the cover of darkness and lied about it (one is too many for me), but I can tell you that living in your neighborhood for twenty or so years, you know what cars belong and which don't.

Self awareness isn't in their makeup at the moment and possibly won't ever be. You have to acknowledge a problem first before you can solve it. For the A clan, they aren't the problem, we are. The public.