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[ibyoungr]

Can someone give me a link to that particular pdf that shows the toy horse found at crime scene? I believe you.. I am just crossed eyed or in to big a hurry to find it. Better yet, if I get the report I will snip it here.

See list above.. if anyone wants to add something.. Just post it here and I will make changes as we go. From there we can move up to Mythbusters once we have it BUSTED. We need to have links and images so it is easier to move to mythbusters.

 

[ibyoungr]

This is not starting out well. Now we're getting myths about the myths.

Just a gentle memory refresher. The toy horse myth went thus...

In the 1.21.09 doc dump the search warrant request for 12.20.08 mentioned a desire to search for a toy horse "similar to that found at crime scene" (quote not exact).

The myth created from that became, through the magic of NG, "Breaking News. Matching toy horse found at Anthony home."

We knew there was a toy horse at the remains site because the search warrant mentioned it, even though we had no other documentation. We never had any reason to think that any matching toy was found at Anthony home. We still don't.

That was the myth. It's still busted.

I made a correction on the living documentation above.. Check to see if that is what it should be... CONFIRMED at crime scene.. BUSTED at Anthony home.

 

[Rumpole]

With the proviso that I still have a nagging doubt about whether there could be other items that LE have not told us yet:

Sample of Drywall removed from Garage - BUSTED

 

[Rumpole]

Caylees shoes at the crime scene (along with the book) to tie in with CMA's report of her phone conversation with Caylee on 16th July. BUSTED

 

[Rumpole]

Ransom note or copy of Instructions from Zanny with the body - BUSTED

Letter to Caylee from CMA with body - BUSTED

 

[ChasingMoxie]

It might be a good time review and tie off some lose ends.. We might end a spreadsheet for this in the end. Reviewing may help improve our detective skills as it helps us correct possibly faulty lines of thinking.

Confirmed or Busted

1. Lee is not the father. Confirmed
2. House Plan Drawings - Confirmed
3. Knives - 1 - Confirmed (not at crime scene)
4. Trash bag - yellow handles Confirmed
5. Winnie Pooh hamper bag - BUSTED.. it was a Whitney
6. Toy horse at crime scene - CONFIRMED Listed on crime scene report
7. Toy horse NOT FOUND at Anthony's - CONFIRMED
8. Caylee found naked - BUSTED clothing confirmed (was it what GA said she was wearing?)
9. Storybook at crime scene -BUSTED
10. Photos of old men, Caylee on chair, etc.. not on forensics report from crime scene BUSTED
11. Caylee decapitated (per guy on NG) BUSTED
12. Teeth falling out of skull - CONFIRMED
13. Added.. triple bagging - CONFIRMED black trash bag, laundry bag and then another trash bag.
14. Skull sitting next to bag and had been for some time - CONFIRMED


Proof of Chloroform ingredients removed from house: Confirmed or Busted ???

This is just a start.. any takers?

(Bolded by me.)

The clothes found with the body were NOT what GA said he last saw her wearing. He said that she was wearing denim/jean shorts.

 

[Rumpole]

CMA will be awarded Mother of The Year when the facts come out - BUSTED

 

[Rumpole]

Originally Posted by BondJamesBond
...then again...early LE reports described Cindy as a 20-something African American....

Warning! Humans @ Work.

Yet to be Confirmed or denied

 

[ibyoungr]

Chloroform can not be stored in plastic bottles. CONFIRMED

 

[ibyoungr]

Respectfully bolded by me:

Toy horse with fence is on page 37 of LE's search report of crime scene.

Fixed this above. Thanks

 

[Rumpole]

Chloroform can not be stored in plastic bottles. CONFIRMED

Not to me.

Probably nearly confirmed, for common plastic in use, but some plasics may be ok.

 

[ibyoungr]

Chloroform link states http://www.sci-spot.com/chemistry/chloroform.htm Got to this link via "how to make chloroform" in google. Please note this search is for research purposes only.


"CHLOROFORM IS A DANGEROUS CHEMICAL. WHILE THE SYNTHESIS MAY APPEAR SIMPLE, IT SHOULD ONLY BE CONDUCTED BY QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. THE DANGER OF INHALING CHLOROFORM IS VERY REAL, AND CHLOROFORM HAS FADED FROM WIDESPREAD USE FOR A REASON. NO CHLOROFORM SHOULD EVER BE INHALED, ACCIDENTALLY OR OTHERWISE. CHLOROFORM PRODUCED IN THIS MANNER IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS; IT CONTAINS BYPRODUCT SALTS, AS WELL AS ADDITIVES THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED IN THE REAGENT PRODUCTS. THIS MAKES FOR AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE CHEMICAL.

NEVER LEAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER OF CHLOROFORM. NEVER STORE CHLOROFORM IN A METAL OR PLASTIC BOTTLE. NEVER STORE CHLOROFORM FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. STORED CHLOROFORM WILL DECOMPOSE INTO PHOSGENE GAS, A CHEMICAL USED IN WWI AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON. NEVER ALLOW CHILDREN TO COME NEAR CHLOROFORM.
FOLLOW GOOD CHEMISTRY PROCEDURES AT ALL TIMES. WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES AND APPROPRIATE CLOTHING. IF YOU'RE EVER IN DOUBT, ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.

 

[Rumpole]

Chloroform link states http://www.sci-spot.com/chemistry/chloroform.htm Got to this link via "how to make chloroform" in google. Please note this search is for research purposes only.


"CHLOROFORM IS A DANGEROUS CHEMICAL. WHILE THE SYNTHESIS MAY APPEAR SIMPLE, IT SHOULD ONLY BE CONDUCTED BY QUALIFIED INDIVIDUALS. THE DANGER OF INHALING CHLOROFORM IS VERY REAL, AND CHLOROFORM HAS FADED FROM WIDESPREAD USE FOR A REASON. NO CHLOROFORM SHOULD EVER BE INHALED, ACCIDENTALLY OR OTHERWISE. CHLOROFORM PRODUCED IN THIS MANNER IS EVEN MORE DANGEROUS; IT CONTAINS BYPRODUCT SALTS, AS WELL AS ADDITIVES THAT MAY HAVE EXISTED IN THE REAGENT PRODUCTS. THIS MAKES FOR AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE CHEMICAL.

NEVER LEAVE AN OPEN CONTAINER OF CHLOROFORM. NEVER STORE CHLOROFORM IN A METAL OR PLASTIC BOTTLE. NEVER STORE CHLOROFORM FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME. STORED CHLOROFORM WILL DECOMPOSE INTO PHOSGENE GAS, A CHEMICAL USED IN WWI AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON. NEVER ALLOW CHILDREN TO COME NEAR CHLOROFORM.
FOLLOW GOOD CHEMISTRY PROCEDURES AT ALL TIMES. WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES AND APPROPRIATE CLOTHING. IF YOU'RE EVER IN DOUBT, ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION.

Most chemicals in quantities above, say a laboratory use, are supplied in plastic (HMHDPE)
barrels.
It is much cheaper and safer in respect to breakage in transport. Plenty of smaller plastic containers are chemical resistant.

 

[ibyoungr]

Most chemicals in quantities above, say a laboratory use, are supplied in plastic (HMHDPE)
barrels.
It is much cheaper and safer in respect to breakage in transport. Plenty of smaller plastic containers are chemical resistant.

Note it definitely states in my link... No glass bottles. Would you consider chloroform in the generality that you speak as being definitely considered to be in the category of "most chemicals". Due to it's toxic nature... can we consider it to be not a "common chemical?" To me, most chemicals woud denote common chemicals.

Would a gatarode bottle fit that criteria? Can you give me a link where it says it okay to store chloroform in a specific type of plastic container.

 

[Rumpole]

Would a gatarode bottle fit that criteria?

I doubt it. And probably any common household bottle would be a no no. But...
if we are being accurate, then say a container formally housing garage supplies, or garden or pool chemicals, for example, could be OK. It would be just the luck of the Devil's Spawn to use a plastic container without thinking and get "lucky"
Mind you I don't know why I am detailing all this because I do not think CMA made chloroform!!

 

[ibyoungr]

I doubt it. And probably any common household bottle would be a no no. But...
if we are being accurate, then say a container formally housing garage supplies, or garden or pool chemicals, for example, could be OK. It would be just the luck of the Devil's Spawn to use a plastic container without thinking and get "lucky"
Mind you I don't know why I am detailing all this because I do not think CMA made chloroform!!

That is what I thought.. but I think we can safely say it would not be in the gatorade bottle.. not saying that there was not another drug in the bottle. I would love to know what was on the syringe.

The syringe in the gatorade bottle in a Disney bag that was with the body.. IMO is very interesting. I just do not think it could be chloroform. Chloroform would not be adminstered by a syringe. However, drugs can be mixed with gatorade.
Now.. if there was a cloth with chloroform in that bag with a gatorade bottle... I might begin to think she got incredibly lucky to use a plastic bottle.

BTW, I made an addition to the post you quoted me on.



I changed the chloroform.. will change to busted or confirmed when the forensics get released.

 

[ibyoungr]

Does this video.. change, confirm or bust any preconceptions we had before the document dump. Now that we know have more knowledge and forensics I believe what we hear and or want to hear can change during the sleuthing process.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html

 

[Boston]

According to LP.....

1)There was a child's swimsuit found in the bag at the body site

2) Caylee's body was wrapped in a bed sheet

3) The Body was "Preserved" & not Skeletonised & ther was Tissue attached to the duct tape


From what I read I believe these statements are all "BUSTED"

Please feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken

 

[ChasingMoxie]

Note it definitely states in my link... No glass bottles. Would you consider chloroform in the generality that you speak as being definitely considered to be in the category of "most chemicals". Due to it's toxic nature... can we consider it to be not a "common chemical?" To me, most chemicals woud denote common chemicals.

Would a gatarode bottle fit that criteria? Can you give me a link where it says it okay to store chloroform in a specific type of plastic container.

(Bolded by me.)

According to the following link, which details polyethylene material resistance to numerous chemicals and chemical compounds, a Gatorade bottle (if polyethylene terephthalate responds the same as polyethylene) is NOT resistant to chloroform.

http://www.basell.com/portal/binary...+Guide.pdf-8214644632145193531&extension=.pdf

I got the Gatorade bottle composition from here: http://wardmulroy.com/gatorade/DOCS/1/content(9).html

Is it obvious that I'm avoiding working right now?

 

[Boston]

That is what I thought.. but I think we can safely say it would not be in the gatorade bottle.. not saying that there was not another drug in the bottle. I would love to know what was on the syringe.

The syringe in the gatorade bottle in a Disney bag that was with the body.. IMO is very interesting. I just do not think it could be chloroform. Chloroform would not be adminstered by a syringe. However, drugs can be mixed with gatorade.
Now.. if there was a cloth with chloroform in that bag with a gatorade bottle... I might begin to think she got incredibly lucky to use a plastic bottle.

BTW, I made an addition to the post you quoted me on.



I changed the chloroform.. will change to busted or confirmed when the forensics get released.

When I saw the syringe my first thought was that Casey used it to administer Xanax to Caylee by crushing up the pills & mixing them with gatorade,

I don't have anything to support this thought but thats the first thing that came to mind when I saw the syringe