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[ibyoungr]

No stuffed animal found at the crime scene that look like a tiger or a bear.
However.. this image will blow your mind.

There was one at the house that "looked" like somthing we saw in the Photos.

That is creepy.

 

[ibyoungr]

Made some additions and updated chloroform in glass not plastic, added NO SHOES OF CAYLEE'S at crime scene. Added no stuffed animals, strollers at crime scene.

It might be a good time review and tie off some lose ends.. We might end a spreadsheet for this in the end. Reviewing may help improve our detective skills as it helps us correct possibly faulty lines of thinking.

Confirmed or Busted

1. Lee is not the father. Confirmed
2. House Plan Drawings - Confirmed
3. Knives - 1 - Confirmed (not at crime scene)
4. Trash bag - yellow handles Confirmed
5. Winnie Pooh hamper bag - BUSTED.. it was a Whitney
6. Toy horse at crime scene - CONFIRMED Listed on crime scene report
7. Toy horse NOT FOUND at Anthony's - CONFIRMED
8. Caylee found naked - BUSTED clothing confirmed (was it what GA said she was wearing?)
9. Storybook at crime scene -BUSTED
10. Photos of old men, Caylee on chair, etc.. not on forensics report from crime scene BUSTED
11. Caylee decapitated (per guy on NG) BUSTED
12. Teeth falling out of skull - CONFIRMED
13. Added.. triple bagging - CONFIRMED black trash bag, laundry bag and then another trash bag.
14. Skull sitting next to bag and had been for some time - CONFIRMED
15. Clothes were different than what GA stated seeing Caylee in (jean shorts vs striped shorts) CONFIRMED
16. Shirt at crime scene was not what she was wearing in the video on Father's day CONFIRMED
17. Chloroform storage -glass bottles only - CHANGED TO CONFIRMED - GLASS ONLYhttp://www.osha.gov/SLTC/healthguidelines/chloroform/recognition.html


18. Many WS's stated Larry Garrison was in it only for the money. CONFIRMED (took money for pictures of Caylee for ABC interview)
http://www.wftv.com/video/18149829/index.html

19. NO SHOES OF CAYLEES AT CRIME SCENE. CONFIRMED

20. Many thought we saw a stroller or stuff animal at crime scene BUSTED

Proof of Chloroform ingredients removed from house: Confirmed or Busted ???

This is just a start.. any takers?

 

[ThoughtElf]

That is what I thought.. but I think we can safely say it would not be in the gatorade bottle.. not saying that there was not another drug in the bottle. I would love to know what was on the syringe.

The syringe in the gatorade bottle in a Disney bag that was with the body.. IMO is very interesting. I just do not think it could be chloroform. Chloroform would not be adminstered by a syringe. However, drugs can be mixed with gatorade.
Now.. if there was a cloth with chloroform in that bag with a gatorade bottle... I might begin to think she got incredibly lucky to use a plastic bottle.

BTW, I made an addition to the post you quoted me on.



I changed the chloroform.. will change to busted or confirmed when the forensics get released.

For the record, I don't think KC mixed up a batch of chloroform either, but I'll dive in anyway for fun:

The link you posted about not storing it in plastic containers merely says for 'long periods of time,' the length of which is not defined. Is a long period a month? Year? Eons?

Also, just because there is an advisory against it, I wouldn't assume that a murderer using chloroform would necessarily follow proscribed guidelines.

Syringe results can't come soon enough. Far more interesting than the diary, really.

 

[ecs5298]

I read the remains were triple bagged, two plastic bags and then laundry bag. IIRC.

Confirmed - page 3377

 

[Rumpole]

For the record, I don't think KC mixed up a batch of chloroform either, but I'll dive in anyway for fun:

The link you posted about not storing it in plastic containers merely says for 'long periods of time,' the length of which is not defined. Is a long period a month? Year? Eons?

Also, just because there is an advisory against it, I wouldn't assume that a murderer using chloroform would necessarily follow proscribed guidelines.

Syringe results can't come soon enough. Far more interesting than the diary, really.

The syringe really worries me.

Every now and then I get a huge reality jolt. OK to joke around about bits of a puzzle, but the joke went away as I read thru the documents lists of bones! Caylee's bones! After being incredibly sad, I get incredibly angry at CMA. Then angry at the A's because they don't seem to get that rage and desire to bring that anger to bear on the monster!

 

[JBean]

hopefully you guys are bringing some of these busted myths to the thread? Otherwise we aren't creating a good reference.

 

[ecs5298]

hopefully you guys are bringing some of these busted myths to the thread? Otherwise we aren't creating a good reference.

I'm getting there, JBean. If work wouldn't keep getting in the way I would have had that up there.

 

[Hot Dogs]

I'm getting there, JBean. If work wouldn't keep getting in the way I would have had that up there.

You posted this in the MB thread...

There were 3 bags. 2 black plastic garbage bags with yellow ties that were double bagged and put inside the canvas laundry bag.

What do you mean by "double bagged"?

 

[ThoughtElf]

The syringe really worries me.

Every now and then I get a huge reality jolt. OK to joke around about bits of a puzzle, but the joke went away as I read thru the documents lists of bones! Caylee's bones! After being incredibly sad, I get incredibly angry at CMA. Then angry at the A's because they don't seem to get that rage and desire to bring that anger to bear on the monster!

This case can be really tough on a soul.

While constantly angry at KC, I'm beyond needing or caring if the A's ever get it. Caylee has JA, YM, Dr. G. and her staff, NS of the FBI and the FL SA office on her side.

A friend sent me something that really helped yesterday. She reminded me that the people who carried Caylee's remains from that site, are people who care very, very deeply and are just like many here. They did more in those first hours to care for and treat Caylee with the utmost dignity and respect than CMA or anyone else in her family did.

 

[ThoughtElf]

hopefully you guys are bringing some of these busted myths to the thread? Otherwise we aren't creating a good reference.

I did. May I have a brownie?

 

[JBean]

I did. May I have a brownie?

AND you did it before I asked. You get 2 brownies,

 

[JBean]

I'm getting there, JBean. If work wouldn't keep getting in the way I would have had that up there.

OH I know what you mean. if I didn't have keep wasting my money on mortgage and food, I'd be loaded...and i don't mean drunk

 

[ecs5298]

What do you mean by "double bagged"?

One plastic bag inside another plastic bag inside the canvas laundry bag. So, from the inside out. Plastic>>plastic>>Canvas.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I've got many distractions tonight.

 

[ecs5298]

OH I know what you mean. if I didn't have keep wasting my money on mortgage and food, I'd be loaded...and i don't mean drunk

I think I'd be loaded and drunk....

BTW...can I have a brownie tooo?????

I only want one...having two would just go straight to my butt.

:crazy:

 

[Hot Dogs]

One plastic bag inside another plastic bag inside the canvas laundry bag. So, from the inside out. Plastic>>plastic>>Canvas.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough, I've got many distractions tonight.

I'm not assuming the two trash bags were "doubled". Can you explain how that is known from this?...

 

[JWG]

The syringe really worries me.

Every now and then I get a huge reality jolt. OK to joke around about bits of a puzzle, but the joke went away as I read thru the documents lists of bones! Caylee's bones! After being incredibly sad, I get incredibly angry at CMA. Then angry at the A's because they don't seem to get that rage and desire to bring that anger to bear on the monster!

The additional duct tape found at the scene worries me as well. Were they used to bind her arms and legs?

 

[Rumpole]

The additional duct tape found at the scene worries me as well. Were they used to bind her arms and legs?

Tape on arms and legs has been a consideration. I have not found info on length of pieces found, but looks like just scraps. Binding still a possibility? Or extra sealing on bag(s)?

 

[FaerieB]

This is not starting out well. Now we're getting myths about the myths.

It wasn't a myth about a myth. The list was changed between the time I posted my reply and the time you read my post. If you reread my post, you'll see that I say #6 and #8 say the same thing; they did at the time of writing.

 

[ibyoungr]

Jose can not bring his laptop into the jail - MYTH IS BUSTED.


Articled dug up and posted by: Amanda2396

Originally Posted by amanda2396
I think this statement from the jail clears up the theory that JB is using his cell phone for internet access. He can't bring it into the jail.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...ter.html?cat=8

Thank you to everyone for your technical insights.

 

[carrie]

I'm not assuming the two trash bags were "doubled". Can you explain how that is known from this?...

You know, you're right. I, too, had assumed that the two trash bags meant that one was inside the other and then the laundry bag. IOW, like the other poster was thinking (not to be disrespectful to little Caylee by this) Caylees remains, inside a plastic bag, inside of another plastic bag, inside a laundry bag. As the poster said "doubled bagged."

But, what is written there does not say that. Although, it is likely that that's how it was, we can't assume that or know it as fact because it doesn't say that. Good attention to detail there Hot Dogs.