Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #10

[RoseRed]

NC was not entitled to work in the U.S. She didn't have a green card.

Further, BC alleges in his affidavit that NC had an extra-marital relationship that was not sexual. How is that an affair? It sounds like a friendship to me.

Relationship that is not sexual ? uh hm remember Bill Clinton ? Wasn't sex !!! :bang:

 

[LillyRush]

Well, I read the affidavits and all the friends seem to be consistently bringing up the same issues. I don't think all of the different couples, some of them who know Nancy in different ways and are not mutual friends, would be able to cover the same ground if it weren't true.

The only thing that's off is that in Jessica Ward's statement she mentions that Nancy felt uncomfortable waiting for Brad at Clea and Mike's house because they had spent a lot more time recently with Brad and seemed to be his only friends. But then right after the statements made by Jessica and her husband, Clea and Mike made their statements where they mention being best friends with Nancy.

Anyway, that's the only inconsistent thing I read. But that could be just Jessica's perception of the situation, about Nancy being uncomfortable. Maybe Clea and Mike had no idea.

 

[LillyRush]

I see what you're saying. The friends could be exaggerating. I've seen it happen in these sort of things. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Some of the statements, at least the ones beteen the same pairs of married couples did seem kind of like copied statements (copied from each other).

I know I am really behind but while the affidavits are fresh in my mind I wanted to comment.

It appears Nancys friends have labeled Brad controlling. It doesnt fit to me, references to her going on beach trips, her training for a marathon, going and having coffee before jogs, she was at various friends houses alot. Seems like she was out and about quite a bit. If he was controlling he would of tried isolating her in my opinion.

The story about the house being infested with bugs and one room full of worms in 5 days from food left over? Not sure thats really possible but I could be wrong.

He had given up training for the triathalon in Jan, can be verified as he isnt registered for the upcoming event that he would of needed to train for. Yet Nancy was training for one?

IMO she could of very well had a spending problem, she had a 1200 dollar purse, if Brad was that evil and not letting her buy food can't imagine him buying her a 1200 dollar purse. So maybe before credit cards were taken away she spent spent spent and he had to take control? If he was paying all the bills and she had 300 a week for groceries and miscellaneous I would think that would be enough, yet it wasnt so where was the 300 a week going?

Most of the items listed in Brad's response can be verified. Marriage counselor records, cell phone records, credit card receipts, affidavits from the girls doctors prior to Nancys murder showing that he had met the drs etc, copy of the separation agreement and what Nancy's wishes were, evidence from the attorney that both Nancy and Brad had indiscretions, the video from Harris Teeter showing what he did purchase and times he purchased. The information in Nancys friends statements can not really be verified so I do not know how much weight they will carry in all this.

I do not know if BC committed this crime, but I am going to keep an open mind until more information is provided that isnt from a friend of Nancys.

 

[RoseRed]

The comment section of this article is quite interesting...mostly slanted towards BC....


http://www.newsobserver.com/print/thursday/front/story/1152214.html



RIP Nancy-- justice is in the works- I hope!

The 45,000 in credit charges is not a surprise. I thought there was something fishy when they said she had to borrow money for food.

Also when her family was stating about all the times they talked to Nancy on the phone 3 x a week for father , daily for Mother and then Krista said they called 2 x a day. Are they crazy do you know how much those phone bills were? As soon as I heard about all those calls to Canada, knew there was financial problems.

If he hasn't been charged then he needs his kids with him, my opinion.

 

[Magister]

Magister, The reason why she could not pay the water bill is because he had taken her name off all the utility accounts and also off of all their previously shared bank accounts. Therefore, not only did she not have access to money to pay the bill, but she had no authorization on the water bill account.

In all the flurry of posting, I certainly understand why you may not have seen it, but I commented last night that a person's name doesn't have to be on an account to pay a utility bill and get service restored.

Perhaps she didn't have the $20, plus there'd most likely be a reconnect and possibly a deposit required (if there's not one already on the account), but the reconnect might possibly have gone onto the next bill and maybe she didn't have the twenty bucks, but nobody says that she called Brad and he refused to come. She obviously wasn't shy about sharing the story, so I don't understand why one of her friends wouldn't have just loaned her the money until Brad got home.

Not to mention that having an utility cut-off for lack of payment hardly seems like abuse.

 

[LillyRush]

In all the flurry of posting, I certainly understand why you may not have seen it, but I commented last night that a person's name doesn't have to be on an account to pay a utility bill and get service restored.

Perhaps she didn't have the $20, plus there'd most likely be a reconnect and possibly a deposit required (if there's not one already on the account), but the reconnect might possibly have gone onto the next bill and maybe she didn't have the twenty bucks, but nobody says that she called Brad and he refused to come. She obviously wasn't shy about sharing the story, so I don't understand why one of her friends wouldn't have just loaned her the money until Brad got home.

Not to mention that having an utility cut-off for lack of payment hardly seems like abuse.

I know that for most general payments, the person paying doesn't have to be on the bill. However, sometimes when a utility is already cut-off it can get tricky. Even when trying to get emergency assistance, the person applying has to be the person on the bill. Also, why did Brad let it even get to that point? He was the one paying the bigger bills and leaving her with weekly allotments.

Did he also not check his own mail and notice the water disconnect notice with his name on it? I'm not saying that she may not have had some financial management issues, but again even Brad states that he was the one who took care of the major expenses.

 

[Celt]

The 45,000 in credit charges is not a surprise. I thought there was something fishy when they said she had to borrow money for food.

Also when her family was stating about all the times they talked to Nancy on the phone 3 x a week for father , daily for Mother and then Krista said they called 2 x a day. Are they crazy do you know how much those phone bills were? As soon as I heard about all those calls to Canada, knew there was financial problems.
If he hasn't been charged then he needs his kids with him, my opinion.

:couch:
Hey RoseRed!
I bet you they all had the International payment plan~you pay a flat fee once a month and get unlimited phone calls..really not that much.
as low as $20.00 a Month

 

[LillyRush]

I don't know about this shopaholic thing. I'm looking at various pictures and she mostly wears casual/sporty-type clothing rather than being over the top with fashion. I also don't see her wearing a lot of jewelry.

 

[Magister]

I know that for most general payments, the person paying doesn't have to be on the bill. However, sometimes when a utility is already cut-off it can get tricky. Even when trying to get emergency assistance, the person applying has to be the person on the bill. Also, why did Brad let it even get to that point? He was the one paying the bigger bills and leaving her with weekly allotments.

Did he also not check his own mail and notice the water disconnect notice with his name on it? I'm not saying that she may not have had some financial management issues, but again even Brad states that he was the one who took care of the major expenses.

I don't know the current specifics of Cary Water, but I gave an example concerning a gas/water/sewer/garbage bill from the place that I currently live and I can recall from my childhood in Cary, my father occasionally having to go pay a CP&L (ProgressEnergy) bill to get the power turned back on for one of his employees. They were needed on the jobsite and he'd be giving them an advance anyway, so my dad was always the one to go.

Earlier, I theorized that he may have been trying to stretch the budget and/or maybe he had turned-off BillPay to better finagle the payment schedule, or maybe, he guessed that they'd let him get behind.

(Some utilities will generally give you a month, but in my current town, the city bill has to be paid by the first or they'll cut you off.)

Again, I don't know what happened concerning this (single) unpaid bill, but because it or something similar has happened to a lot of people, I hope for all our sakes, it's not a reason to take the kids.

 

[Busylady]

Wow by the time I think I get somewhat caught up there are tons more legal documents to read. Trying to keep up here and with Caylee Anthony is proving impossible.

One thing that is bugging me is why would BC or NC for that matter be emailing her father about financial matters, house repairs matters, asking permission to help pack and paint, etc? Was the father-in-law a decision maker of some kind in this marriage. Im sure there is an explanation but the last thing in the world I would be doing is explaining my finances, or asking permission from my FIL for anything. This also leads me further away from Brad was controlling Nancy.

Will be interested to see what the domestic violence thing is about, and if it is NC who talked with them, when it is she first made contact with them. Was it after the separation agreement was in the works?

If Nancy was so frightened of him and sleeping with kids in her room, why would she let him go home with the kids and stay at a party? Why would she leave the kids every morning with him to go jogging?

 

[Magister]

I don't know about this shopaholic thing. I'm looking at various pictures and she mostly wears casual/sporty-type clothing rather than being over the top with fashion. I also don't see her wearing a lot of jewelry.

I don't know either, but $1200 a month is more than a lot, if not the majority of people make and like most of the examples raised in her friend's affidavits, it's more about their relationship and doesn't really speak to his ability to care for his kids.

(Not to be mean, but I'm sure Brad's making a lot more than his father-in-law's pension)

 

[LillyRush]

The affidavits focus mainly on incidents of emotional and verbal abuse, as well as the affair. The water bill wasn't the focus, just something mentioned by maybe 2 of the people who submitted affidavits. I'm just saying preventative measures could have been taken before the water got turned off, which Brad has pretty much taken responsibility for by saying he paid the major bills and requesting only his name be left on the account(s).

 

[Magister]

I'm going to take a break, so I'll just throw onto the record something that I've said, before; If Brad killed Nancy, then the children should go to one or the other sets of grandparents, rather than foster care. But, until he's charged, arrested or convicted, then the fact that there was trouble in the marriage and he didn't hangout with her friends shouldn't be grounds to take his kids.

IMHO

 

[Celt]

I'm going to take a break, so I'll just throw onto the record something that I've said, before; If Brad killed Nancy, then the children should go to one or the other sets of grandparents, rather than foster care. But, until he's charged, arrested or convicted, then the fact that there was trouble in the marriage and he didn't hangout with her friends shouldn't be grounds to take his kids.

IMHO

OR if tomorrow they can prove he was suicidal .. did he talk to any Doctors etc ~~ Because Suicidal could lead to murder~ suicide. and I would NOT want to take that chance if I was her parents..JMO

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Why would he even fight custody? The best interest of the children is what is important here. If he were any kind of a father right now...he would step aside.

 

[Magister]

OR if tomorrow they can prove he was suicidal .. did he talk to any Doctors etc ~~ Because Suicidal could lead to murder~ suicide. and I would NOT want to take that chance if I was her parents..JMO

I've also said a couple of times that there very easily and quite likely could be a continuance in the custody case. Sure, the grandparents have played some of the media games and that "dressing the aunt like the mom" is kind of weird, but they're now safely tucked into some wayout place in Canada, away from the glare and the investigation.

It could be argued that the kids are better-off where they are right now, so the judge could continue with the grandparents having temporary custody until the case is resolved or Brad is cleared.

 

[Celt]

It could be argued that the kids are better-off where they are right now, so the judge could contnue with the grandparents having temporary custody until the case is resolved or Brad is cleared.

:woohoo: Thank You!:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Magister]

Why would he even fight custody? The best interest of the children is what is important here. If he were any kind of a father right now...he would step aside.

If he were any kind of father, he might temporarily step aside, but they're his kids and I have no reason to believe that he doesn't love or want them and we've seen no allegations of child abuse, so why would he give up permanently?

BTW: It's the grandparents who have filed for permanent custody, so they're the ones responsible for the case.

 

[carolinalady]

The affidavits focus mainly on incidents of emotional and verbal abuse, as well as the affair. The water bill wasn't the focus, just something mentioned by maybe 2 of the people who submitted affidavits. I'm just saying preventative measures could have been taken before the water got turned off, which Brad has pretty much taken responsibility for by saying he paid the major bills and requesting only his name be left on the account(s).

Trying to catch up on everything.

His rebuttal affidavit addresses the water bill.

Also, as far as the baseball cap issue vs. the $200 jeans. Around this area, baseball caps are worn by many of the same people who own designer jeans.

IF the $1200/month is correct, I don't see that as an unreasonable amount if BC was paying mortgage, utilities, credit cards, cars, etc. Plenty of people in this area get by on less with larger families.

The Boat Show info. BC's rebuttal says he emailed Nancy the info. Seems like there should be a record of that.

The phone calls to Canada... the rebuttal states that they did have FREE long distance to Canada from the home phone. However, the calls were from her cell phone. He indicates he upped her minutes. Again, it seems like there should be some record of all of this.

Last thing for now, the rebuttal states they no longer have the VoIP system at home.

Again, I'm not sure if BC did this or not. I hope for the sake of his children that hid did not. It seems like he has some information in his affidavits that could be easily verified to determine how truthful his statements are.

 

[raisincharlie]

I don't know either, but $1200 a month is more than a lot, if not the majority of people make and like most of the examples raised in her friend's affidavits, it's more about their relationship and doesn't really speak to his ability to care for his kids.

(Not to be mean, but I'm sure Brad's making a lot more than his father-in-law's pension)

Not to be mean - then why bring it up ? Maybe Brad does make more on the face of it - what does that have to do with it ? Has it crossed your mind that perhaps the pensioner isn't in debt, owns his home and vehicles outright which in reality would put him well ahead of Brad.

I don't put alot of stock in everything said in those affidavits on either side but I disagree that they don't speak to his ability to care for his kids. I don't condone someone loosing their kids either but I do believe for the safety of the kids it is imperative to make the determination and that the determination be made by an independent third party. There are way too many kids that end up in a very bad way because no one did anything when perhaps they should have. The affidavit of the psych makes it clear that even they have a concern - and to be fair it is in both directions. At this point no one knows if he would be alright or not - no harm in finding out to protect the children.