Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #11

[SleuthyGal]

That's what I'm thinking. In his affidavit he indicates he left early and took the girls home from the party - said they walked. Perhaps I misinterpreted it but it seems to me they probably all walked to the party as well. Which meant Nancy also walked home - why would her cell be in the vehicle if that is the case?

Good point. AND, if she was using her cell for all her communication (which it sounds like she was), then if her cell is in her car it indicates she was in that car on Saturday morning .... somewhere between 6am and 6:30am, right? Cause supposedly she called Brad (unless she used the home phone). Either way there should be phone records that recorded the time of the call(s).

 

[raisincharlie]

i thought her cell was in the house, in her purse ?

911 call from Jessica Adam says the cell phone is in the car.

 

[raisincharlie]

Good point. AND, if she was using her cell for all her communication (which it sounds like she was), then her cell being in her car indicates she was in that car on Saturday morning .... somewhere between 6am and 6:30am, right? Cause supposedly she called Brad (unless she used the home phone). Either way there should be phone records that recorded the time of the call(s).

Looks better for Brad if the phone call was made from the landline - have to admit that but I bet it wasn't.

 

[SleuthyGal]

911 call from Jessica Adam says the cell phone is in the car.

do we know for sure it was NANCY'S cell phone in that (her) car? Could it have been Brad's phone? Did they have the same brand/model phone?

 

[Jaydee0158]

I doubt the cops would mislead potential witnesses with incorrect clothing info.

She must have been found with the running clothes described....not surprising at all.

OK, so we can assume then that this is a new (verified) fact to add to the list.

Going back to Fran saying BC is trashing NC, is it possible that it was his counsel that insisted on the inclusion of the statements, and not necessarily BC? I am confused as to why a rebuttal of statements NC's friends made is considered trashing. ??

 

[Just the Fax]

911 call from Jessica Adam says the cell phone is in the car.

How would jessica know her phone was in the car

 

[SleuthyGal]

Ya know...it's occurred to me in the past that CELL PHONES is where people who commit crimes often get caught. Cause they're making calls on the move, or, in Scott Peterson's case, they're making calls right near their own home...but in any case their movements are able to be tracked by triangulating the cell signal to the phone and tower.

It's like these folks can't help themselves...they have to be on their phones, making calls. They would have done themselves better evidence-wise by staying off the darn cell phones altogether...turning OFF the phone and just being out of touch for whatever length of time.

I can't tell you how many crimes I've heard about where cell phone records ultimately play a large part in helping to nail a suspect.

 

[panthera]

That's what I'm thinking. In his affidavit he indicates he left early and took the girls home from the party - said they walked. Perhaps I misinterpreted it but it seems to me they probably all walked to the party as well. Which meant Nancy also walked home - why would her cell be in the vehicle if that is the case?

I thought the party was within easy walking distance too. I agree it doesn't make sense since she had the cell with her at the party. It also doesn't make sense she would've been inside the house calling him about the detergent and the phone's found in her car.

 

[raisincharlie]

How would jessica know her phone was in the car

I would have to assume Brad told her - she says in the 911 call that she had talked to him, not once but twice.

 

[Just the Fax]

Looks better for Brad if the phone call was made from the landline - have to admit that but I bet it wasn't.

Easy to do though

He returned home and 'forgot' the laundry soap.
He claims "Nancy" called at 6:40 and asked him for Juice.
He could have called his cell from the house at 6:40 and immediately left again for the store, < 5 minutes away......his timeline said he was at the store at 6:45

 

[reddress58]

How would jessica know her phone was in the car

Wow! Good question. Jessica didn't live across the street....I think she was in another neighborhood. Brad must have told her. She never told the cops she drove over there and looked. When she called Brad he must have informed her that she didn't take her keys or her cell phone. But why tell her it is in the car????

 

[SleuthyGal]

Easy to do though

He returned home and 'forgot' the laundry soap.
He claims "Nancy" called at 6:40 and asked him for Juice.
He could have called his cell from the house at 6:40 and immediately left again for the store, < 5 minutes away......his timeline said he was at the store at 6:45

Yep, if the same tower in their area covers them then all this 'calling' back 'n forth doesn't really prove anything cause he's within 5 min travel time of the store.

Supposedly if a phone is on, a tower can still track movement even if a call isn't made or received (through triangulation of the signal)....the question I have is: is the dump site still covered by the SAME tower as the one that covers their home? And if it's not the same tower, then did the 'dump site cell tower' pick up a signal to his phone?

 

[raisincharlie]

Wow! Good question. Jessica didn't live across the street....I think she was in another neighborhood. Brad must have told her. She never told the cops she drove over there and looked. When she called Brad he must have informed her that she didn't take her keys or her cell phone. But why tell her it is in the car????

I assume Brad told her that as well as Jessica's tells the dispatcher she had tried to cal l Nancy's cell. No doubt she asked Brad about it since Nancy wasn't answering and wasn't at home.

 

[panthera]

I did the research , Alltel has 1 tower within a mile or so of the house that covers roughly 5 miles.

Thanks! So ~ he could've had it with him and no one would know the difference?

 

[reddress58]

Yep, if the same tower in their area covers them then all this 'calling' back 'n forth doesn't really prove anything cause he's within 5 min travel time of the store.

Supposedly if a phone is on, a tower can still track movement even if a call isn't made or received (through triangulation of the signal)....the question I have is: is the dump site still covered by the SAME tower as the one that covers their home? And if it's not the same tower, then did the 'dump site cell tower' pick up a signal to his phone?

Does the phone have to be just on to pick up a signal or do you have to be actually talking on it? I'm technically stupid. Sorry.

 

[Jaydee0158]

911 call from Jessica Adam says the cell phone is in the car.

How did Jessica know that? Was the 911 call placed from the outside of the Cooper house, after she investigated the car?

 

[SleuthyGal]

Does the phone have to be just on to pick up a signal or do you have to be actually talking on it? I'm technically stupid. Sorry.

The phone does not have to be 'in-use' for the tower to pick up the signal.

And I'm not even sure if the phone has to be 'ON' though I need to research that. I remember something said during the Scott Peterson case discussions on TV about the phone still 'transmitting' even if it was off, but that didn't make sense to me at the time (and it still doesn't make sense now).

I will research this issue.

 

[panthera]

Does the phone have to be just on to pick up a signal or do you have to be actually talking on it? I'm technically stupid. Sorry.

I believe it just has to be "on".

 

[raisincharlie]

How did Jessica know that? Was the 911 call placed from the outside of the Cooper house, after she investigated the car?

See above - in short, Jessica called Brad around 9 and he called her again around 12 - in between, in Jessica;s affidavit she says she tries to call Nancy's cell but gets no answers. I am ssuming the way she knew was she flat asked Brad about the phone because she had called and got no answer. In the 911 call she tells the dispatcher twice that the phone is in the car. I am therefore assuming the only person who could have told her that was Brad.

 

[SleuthyGal]

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking

Cell phone tracking tracks the current position of a cell phone. To locate the phone, it must be turned on[1] but does not require an active call. GSM localisation is then done by triangulation based on the signal strength to nearby signal masts.[2]

In order to route calls to your phone the cell towers listen for a signal sent from the phone and negotiate which tower is best able to communicate with the phone. As the phone changes location, the towers monitor the signal and the phone is switched to a different tower as appropriate. By comparing the relative signal strength from multiple towers a general location of a phone can be determined.

A phone's location can be uploaded to a common web site where your "friends and family" can view your last reported position.

Newer phones may have built-in GPS receivers which could be used in a similar fashion, but with much higher accuracy.

Some newer phones and technology may also allow the tracking of the phone even when turned off or, at least, have the microphone activated.[3] Also, phones can have secondary batteries installed to allow tracking even if the battery is removed.