Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #11

[Just the Fax]

Just to be safe, it's best to take precausions to protect yourself. Whether there's rumor or fact or even NOT that there's someone out killing innocent people. Let's face it, this case proves that 'something bad' can happen anywhere to anyone.

Even you and me.

JMHO
fran

Yes, domestic homicide can happen in any state, any city or any neighborhood.

IMO, If Nancy was able to leave that horrible marriage, she would be alive today.

If some of the info in those affidavits was true (and I believe most was), Nancy was living with a monster that was poised to snap.

 

[runnermomof5]

Hey Guys!
I posted on the Nancy the Jogger link when Pepper set it up. Then, Pepper got canned. So I am going to repeat some of my thoughts here.
Cause I am starting to feel like Bob. Sometimes I wonder, does anyone out there see me? LOL
Except my name is Brenda.
So, instead of "Bob Bob" , I guess you can call me "Bren Bren".
Anyway, as a long time runner, I immediately saw several red flags with BC story about NC going for a run at 7 and not returning.
Okay.
Briefly:
NC was in training for a half marathon with her friend Jessica A.
Saturday and Sunday mornings are prime mornings for what serious runners call "long runs". Usually shorter distance runs, say 3-4 miles, are done during the week and the longer runs of training are done on the weekends. Okay, IMO, Nancy would not have gone out on a run on Saturday without Jessica.
Also, since they were training together, they most likely were following a training schedule which would lead up to the half marathon. I think Jessica even mentioned this, that she and NC had discussed all their training plans.
Someone posted the finishing time for NC and HM from a 5K race a few years ago. Since they had the same finishing time, they most likely ran the race together.
Not a very fast time for someone who was supposedly quite athletic and had aspirations for being in the Olympics at one time. Of course, that is around the time NC babies were being born, too. So, she may have not been putting in much running time back then.
Another thing that bothers me is that she supposedly left the house for her run instead of her usual drive to the coffee shop, park, and then start her run from there.
Also , no one saw her out running that morning.
No one.
One Heather stated while being interviewed that she saw NC out running all the time.
So , on a Saturday morning, when lots of people are out running , walking, biking, etc. someone would have seen her, IMO.
Okay, I have read all the affidavits and I have followed all the posts here so I know that I am kinda going "backwards" by bringing this up again. BUT........to me this is where it all started. BC says that NC left the house on a run. IMO , she did not.
Oh, one more thought.
Who can get up and go running after being out late at a party the night before?
Especially if she had some wine, or other alcohol to drink at the party.
Very dehydrating!
Okay, that's it. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I have never had a client, nor has anyone I know, who had a "speedy" trial.

Mostly, the defendants don't want to speed their way into a prison cell.

The defendent is entitled to a speedy trial. LE MUST have all their evidence gathered BEFORE they arrest the POI, or suspect. IF they don't, they may loose because evidence comes in too late to be presented in court.

THe defendent is entitled to review evidence to be used against him, 30 days, IIRC, prior to trial.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

WOW - I go out of town on business for a couple of days and then get back to find all these affidavits!

I never thought I'd say this, but after reading both sides, I'm not as convinced as I was...

It's unfortunate that there are things less flattering surfacing about Nancy. Of course, we know no one's perfect, and she certainly didn't deserve to die.

Reading the other side's response does, however, give me pause. I'm not as ready to convict him now that he's provided ample response to the litany of accusations, which can easily be verified.

Justthefax pointed out a few days ago that if in fact BC had been caught in a lie concerning the trip to the store, he would have already been arrested. I agree with that assertion.

If only we could know the cause of death...

While you're pausing about who may have done this crime AND believing what her husband and friends have given affidavits of, just remember one thing.

Who was murdered?

Also, about the trip to the store. A murder case is like a huge puzzle. One piece does not spell murder. It takes a whole puzzle. LE, at this very moment, is putting the puzzle together.

Patience.

JMHO
fran

 

[fran]

I have never had a client, nor has anyone I know, who had a "speedy" trial.

Well, OJ did. That's because his attornies KNEW LAPD had not gotten all their evidence back yet.

Some of the evidence came in AFTER the trial had started. That's why, IMO, the defense was able to say, at times, they're manufacturing the evidence or this would have come forth earlier.

Like Robert Shiparo said when asked if he thought OJ was guilty. His response was, "Let me put it this way. Attornies don't win cases. Prosecutors loose them."

Just sayin'
fran

 

[SleuthyGal]

THANK YOU JTF for bringing us your observations and insights from the courtroom yesterday. I so appreciate it! And that was an interesting comment you heard. It makes sense, really, for a custodial 'status quo' to be maintained for now.

Plus I don't believe BC would want to submit to a forced psych evaluation as part of a custody condition, and I think that may have tipped the scales for him. It's one thing if he and his lawyer decide to seek a psych eval. on their terms...then they can release the results (or not), as they prefer. Quite a different thing to have it be a condition of you getting your kids back and BEFORE there's been any resolution in a murder case.

And Fran, thank you for being a voice of reason consistently day in and day out on this matter.

One day at a time, LE has to build the puzzle, they have to wait for any forensics to come back, and they can't just go out and arrest someone because they "believe he did it." The DA won't bring the case to a courtroom unless or until he believes this case can be proven beyond a 'reasonable doubt' to 12 jurors. And they're not there yet. Hopefully they'll get there. {crosses fingers}

 

[SleuthyGal]

David Allan Westerfield (killer of 7 yr old Danielle van Dam) also had a 'speedy trial' in CA. It was a maneuver by the defense to get that trial going so that forensic information might not be available. In his case it didn't work, but try they did.

 

[fran]

Hi Bren Bren or runnermomof5:

Don't be discouraged if people don't respond to you. That happens to me all the time. Just keep posting and you'll get someone's attention.

I too don't believe she went out jogging that morning. For all the reasons you said, PLUS,........how could she go on a 2 hour jog when she was due to be painting at 8:00, ONE HOUR from when she was to alleged to have left the house? Doesn't make sense, IMO.

Also, about her time. Remember, she was injurred, which was why she was no longer 'seriously' running. PLUS, she did have chrones disease, which,from what I've read, can be very hard on your body.

Nice post runnermomof5,

fran

 

[fran]

David Allan Westerfield (killer of 7 yr old Danielle van Dam) also had a 'speedy trial' in CA. It was a maneuver by the defense to get that trial going so that forensic information might not be available. In his case it didn't work, but try they did.

Yeah, he decided on a speedy trial AFTER the DA took off the table NO DP if he showed them where the body is, which he HAD agreed to.

Danielle was found by searchers and the DA tore up the agreement. He knew he was toast,........AND the DA was too smart for him!

Poor Danielle


fran

 

[SleuthyGal]

Welcome BRENDA! It's nice to read your thoughts on this case. Not being a runner myself I didn't know how training for an upcoming race typically works.

I just looked at JTF's pictures from the previous page and WOW. I had not yet before seen exactly WHERE the body was found (as in I had not seen a body outline). She was right there in the open, off the side of that little turnaround road. I pictured her off over the silt barrier, closer to the water (and further from any road) or else hidden in whatever trees or bushes were around there. Very illuminating! That to me says it was a quick dump. She was NOT murdered there, but IMHO was dumped there.

 

[fran]

Yes, domestic homicide can happen in any state, any city or any neighborhood.

IMO, If Nancy was able to leave that horrible marriage, she would be alive today.

If some of the info in those affidavits was true (and I believe most was), Nancy was living with a monster that was poised to snap.

Your last sentence is very chilling. IF only people in this situation can see the face of that monster, BEFORE he snaps. These victims usually do NOT even see it coming.

Hopefully with the wide coverage cases such as this get, lives will be saved, even if only a few. ONE is TOO MANY. But we've seen our headlines littered with these cases in recent years. THIS should NOT happen!

Educate! Educate and IF you see YOURSELF in Nancy, RUN for your life!

Seriously,
fran

 

[SleuthyGal]

Yeah, he decided on a speedy trial AFTER the DA took off the table NO DP if he showed them where the body is, which he HAD agreed to.

Yes I remember that well. I was GLUED to that case in '02/'03. And I had just moved away from Redwood City, CA 10 months before the Laci Peterson murder. I was kind of kicking myself because I so wanted to attend that trial and there it was held in my hometown!

Well maybe I'll still get a chance if (and hopefully when) THIS case goes to trial.

 

[Bob&Bob]

testing testing

 

[OtisCampbell]

I too don't believe she went out jogging that morning. For all the reasons you said, PLUS,........how could she go on a 2 hour jog when she was due to be painting at 8:00, ONE HOUR from when she was to alleged to have left the house? Doesn't make sense, IMO.

On the 911 call she mentions 8:00, but later says the she (NC) was supposed to be at her house no later than 9:00. Not positive, but I believe she also mentions calling NC's house and talking to BC at 9:00. It sounds like there was a one hour time range in which she was suppose to be there. If she was suppose to be there at 8:00 she probably would have called a short time later and not waited an hour.

 

[raisincharlie]

Hey Guys!
I posted on the Nancy the Jogger link when Pepper set it up. Then, Pepper got canned. So I am going to repeat some of my thoughts here.
Cause I am starting to feel like Bob. Sometimes I wonder, does anyone out there see me? LOL
Except my name is Brenda.
So, instead of "Bob Bob" , I guess you can call me "Bren Bren".
Anyway, as a long time runner, I immediately saw several red flags with BC story about NC going for a run at 7 and not returning.
Okay.
Briefly:
NC was in training for a half marathon with her friend Jessica A.
Saturday and Sunday mornings are prime mornings for what serious runners call "long runs". Usually shorter distance runs, say 3-4 miles, are done during the week and the longer runs of training are done on the weekends. Okay, IMO, Nancy would not have gone out on a run on Saturday without Jessica.
Also, since they were training together, they most likely were following a training schedule which would lead up to the half marathon. I think Jessica even mentioned this, that she and NC had discussed all their training plans.
Someone posted the finishing time for NC and HM from a 5K race a few years ago. Since they had the same finishing time, they most likely ran the race together.
Not a very fast time for someone who was supposedly quite athletic and had aspirations for being in the Olympics at one time. Of course, that is around the time NC babies were being born, too. So, she may have not been putting in much running time back then.
Another thing that bothers me is that she supposedly left the house for her run instead of her usual drive to the coffee shop, park, and then start her run from there.
Also , no one saw her out running that morning.
No one.
One Heather stated while being interviewed that she saw NC out running all the time.
So , on a Saturday morning, when lots of people are out running , walking, biking, etc. someone would have seen her, IMO.
Okay, I have read all the affidavits and I have followed all the posts here so I know that I am kinda going "backwards" by bringing this up again. BUT........to me this is where it all started. BC says that NC left the house on a run. IMO , she did not.
Oh, one more thought.
Who can get up and go running after being out late at a party the night before?
Especially if she had some wine, or other alcohol to drink at the party.
Very dehydrating!
Okay, that's it. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

Hello and welcome runnermom !

Good thoughts especially if Nancy didn't return home til midnight and as BC says she likes wine. Not impossible I suppose but. Dunno about this jogging story at all to be honest. Thanks for the insight.

I kind of think the jogging story is a load and I have to wonder why BC declares in his affidavit that Nancy went running with Carrie, lines 171- 175, but yet in lines 181 - 183 it becomes clear that the last place BC went to look in his driving around looking for Nancy was to Carrie's residence. This doesn't make sense to me - seems like that should have been the first place to look actually.

I also wonder how her cell phone ended up in her car...

 

[raisincharlie]

Hi Bren Bren or runnermomof5:

Don't be discouraged if people don't respond to you. That happens to me all the time. Just keep posting and you'll get someone's attention.

I too don't believe she went out jogging that morning. For all the reasons you said, PLUS,........how could she go on a 2 hour jog when she was due to be painting at 8:00, ONE HOUR from when she was to alleged to have left the house? Doesn't make sense, IMO.

Also, about her time. Remember, she was injurred, which was why she was no longer 'seriously' running. PLUS, she did have chrones disease, which,from what I've read, can be very hard on your body.

Nice post runnermomof5,

fran

Maybe Brad didn't know Nancy was supposed to be at Jessica's :bang:

 

[Bob&Bob]

Hey Guys!
I posted on the Nancy the Jogger link when Pepper set it up. Then, Pepper got canned. So I am going to repeat some of my thoughts here.
Cause I am starting to feel like Bob. Sometimes I wonder, does anyone out there see me? LOL
Except my name is Brenda.
So, instead of "Bob Bob" , I guess you can call me "Bren Bren".
Anyway, as a long time runner, I immediately saw several red flags with BC story about NC going for a run at 7 and not returning.
Okay.
Briefly:
NC was in training for a half marathon with her friend Jessica A.
Saturday and Sunday mornings are prime mornings for what serious runners call "long runs". Usually shorter distance runs, say 3-4 miles, are done during the week and the longer runs of training are done on the weekends. Okay, IMO, Nancy would not have gone out on a run on Saturday without Jessica.
Also, since they were training together, they most likely were following a training schedule which would lead up to the half marathon. I think Jessica even mentioned this, that she and NC had discussed all their training plans.
Someone posted the finishing time for NC and HM from a 5K race a few years ago. Since they had the same finishing time, they most likely ran the race together.
Not a very fast time for someone who was supposedly quite athletic and had aspirations for being in the Olympics at one time. Of course, that is around the time NC babies were being born, too. So, she may have not been putting in much running time back then.
Another thing that bothers me is that she supposedly left the house for her run instead of her usual drive to the coffee shop, park, and then start her run from there.
Also , no one saw her out running that morning.
No one.
One Heather stated while being interviewed that she saw NC out running all the time.
So , on a Saturday morning, when lots of people are out running , walking, biking, etc. someone would have seen her, IMO.
Okay, I have read all the affidavits and I have followed all the posts here so I know that I am kinda going "backwards" by bringing this up again. BUT........to me this is where it all started. BC says that NC left the house on a run. IMO , she did not.
Oh, one more thought.
Who can get up and go running after being out late at a party the night before?
Especially if she had some wine, or other alcohol to drink at the party.
Very dehydrating!
Okay, that's it. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

What happened to Pepper?

 

[Just the Fax]

Pepper apparently was banned.
I suppose you need to ask the mod if you need a forwarding address.

 

[Bob&Bob]

Why would I need a forwarding address?

 

[Just the Fax]

Like with most murders, Brad's computer should be very interesting to the cops.
Wonder if he used 'Google earth' shortly before the murder ?
Though the road is now paved, it still depicts the only area within 2 miles of his house that was hidden and undeveloped.

Of all areas around the home, convenient for the killer to know there was an area 1.1 miles in the very back of an established subdivision where nobody would see him dump the body.....Hmmm