Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #17

[sunflowers]

LE has the advantage of also having the VIN number so...if we had seen the warrants we would have had that info to work with. Would have helped but we are S O L.

good point.

will be interesting to see search warrant info when they are released.....

 

[CyberPro]

Since we're on the topic of the Cary PD......anyone know any of them? Are they proficient? I know they don't handle many murder cases......what do you locals think?

I had a friend who was a Cary cop a few years ago. He was one of my best friends at the time, but I have fallen out of touch with him since he moved to a different state.

I also know a fellow who is or was a detective with CPD.

I can't speak for all of them, but I know those folks were TOP NOTCH!

I also have the feeling that MOST if not all of them are.

Also, I have never been through a Divorce, but I have worked with a family lawyer for many years doing computer consulting work. I know they are very thorough when looking for assets. No way to hide that bonus during equitable distribution.

Also, an investigation can be surprisingly thorough! I was deposed some years ago with regard to a lawsuit that involved the company that I work for. I had made some phone calls to customers to inform them of an issue with some supplies that they might be in a position to have purchased that were causing some problems with some of their equipment. I was being proactive and warning them that using these supplies had been causing damage, and what our policy of fixing the damages would be. The company was sued for an anti-trust action by the supplier of the defective supplies, which WERE causing problems. In the deposition, I was asked if I called specific customers, by the name of the person I spoke with, not the company where they worked. I did not call many, only 3 or so that I thought might need to know the information, and I could not clearly recall who I called, but the lawyers knew.

CyberPro

 

[sunflowers]

Mom,

I posted about the cameras at this car wash in an earlier post, several threads back.

There are 2 cameras at this wash, but both of them are positioned mainly pointed at the office door area of the attached quick lube/repair shop. It does look like the camera in the rear MIGHT catch a car exiting the wash.

HOWEVER, depending upon how someone approaches the wash, there is a camera at the Anytime Fitness that is pointing to the parking lot, presumably to capture images of folks in the parking lot coming in to work out late evenings. It seems to me that if someone came at the wash from the front of the Food Lion, it would likely get a pretty good image of them, it might even view out as far as Kildare Farm Rd.

The wash is open 24 hours, and also has coin operated vacuums in the rear. It looks like the camera might see the vacuum area. The wash is paid for with cash or will accept credit cards, which could be tracked.

CyberPro

thanks cyberpro. interesting that there are cameras there. esp if the cameras might be able to see the vacuum area. i used to go to that car wash a lot, and usually used cash.

i can't imagine him using a credit card at a car wash if it was in the early morning hours.....if he did any car washing, surely he would have used cash???? but, if he is the perp & if this wasn't premediated, he might not have had any cash.....

 

[mahmoo]

Thanks for that info CyberPro :wave: Sometimes I forget LE knows a heck of lot more than we do......most of em probably come here and laugh at us.

 

[CARYISHOME]

The taxes were paid by BC and the tag was in BC's name when the taxes were due in 07.

My thought is he is running it on his old tag, but it has been put in someone else's name. This way NC couldn't get the car in the settlement because it isn't his to give her. IMO

As for no stickers on the tag....if it isn't registered to him then the stickers wouldn't come to him, but to the person the vehicle is registered to.

This is the only thing I can think of at the moment.

If the LE has checked this part out then my theory goes out the window. Just maybe they didn't check it out.

The tag number appears to be the same number for the car when he paid the taxes the last time. So those are the original tags.

I don't see any evidence of any stickers ever being on those tags. Granted I haven't looked up close.

Is it possible, then, that they never put stickers on the car - maybe the stickers just got overlooked in day-to-day living?

If he was trying to slip one by Nancy by having the car registered in someone else's name that is laughable. That would be totally stupid to try to hide assets when they are in plain sight for the world to see. It does make me wonder, though, what other assets he may be trying to hide (not saying he is...just wondering).

 

[MoonFlwr]

Fran, I can not think of the right way to word it but it has been said by others and I'll say it again. He had been attacked and his children had been taken from him. He came out swinging in response to the statements that had been made against him.

If he had said nothing, what would people be saying then? They would say he was confirming the claims via his silence. That he never wanted the kids, etc.

At this point, there's not much he can do that is right.

Thanks, carolinalady!

You saved me from retyping it! I wanted it re-said though!

 

[Jess]

the medical examiner testified at one of the custody hearings. it seems likely that a preliminary report ready.

according to just the fax , in NC, it is the lead investigator who presents the case to the Grand Jury. The DA is not in the room.

I don't remember the ME having to testify at any hearing. I believe he was served with a subpoena to show u p, ( and there was a rumour that he was at the courthouse, or on the way to the courthouse)but as no proceedings took place in the courtroom, the two sides of the family coming to an agreement about the temporary custody without benefit of a judge, he was not needed.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Since we're on the topic of the Cary PD......anyone know any of them? Are they proficient? I know they don't handle many murder cases......what do you locals think?

One of them (possibly 2) did a bang-up job of tracking down a nuisance barking dog in my area. The sound bounced around in a weird way and it took some serious sleuthing time for them to find it. Frankly I didn't expect them to keep looking but they did. It was 2am and one of them left a long detailed note on my door about finally finding the problem house 2 or 3 streets away, and they researched the history and there were other complaints about this issue in the past. I know it's "just a dog barking complaint" but I was impressed that they kept at it and then actually followed up with me! If they'll do that for a nuisance dog barking at 2am I imagine they'd be pretty dedicated to solving a murder crime.

 

[SleuthyGal]

Is it possible, then, that they never put stickers on the car - maybe the stickers just got overlooked in day-to-day living?

It's possible, sure. I'm curious why and how they never got pulled over by any cop if that was the case. I mean, people get pulled over for having an expired tag so if one weren't there I think a cop would eventually notice it.

Clearly we need to get Momto3 to knock on his door and inquire about this very issue. I fear many will continue to lose sleep until we solve this puzzle.

 

[maconrich]

(Response to carolinalady and MoonFlwr)

Actually there have been things he could have done that would make him look at least a little better than he has... so off the top of my head and with very little thought (something a bit scary coming from a blonde, I know)...

1. He could have called LE/911 when Nancy was gone past her 2 hours max. running time. Yes, he said he didn't know you could call before 24 hours, but JA didn't know either and went ahead and called. Worst case is they would have told him he had to wait, given him some suggestions and advised him to call back later. Best - it would have made him look like a half-way caring and concered human being.

2. He could have attended at least ONE of the impromptu or organized services/vigils for Nancy. Even going to the one last night would have worked. OR since he SAID he was planning on having his own service, it might have been a good idea to have done so -- and NOT this far after the fact.

3. No problem that he doesn't like to "grieve" or show his emotions in public, but he still should have gone -- at the very least -- to the press conference where it was confirmed that Nancy had indeed been found.

4. He could have had his attorney release the documents AFTER the day of the memorial service for Nancy. One day surely wouldn't have made much of a difference re his case, but it sure would have made him look less like a self-serving jerk.

5. Yes custody and divorce cases are messy, but due to the fact his wife was just murdered he could have avoided the trap of putting down his now dead wife / the mother of his children. I'm sure he could have been more brutal (verbally), but it's also true that he could have left out or at the very least re-worded many of the things he wrote so they weren't so harsh. Sticking to things directly involving the case would have accomplished what he needed to accomplish -- as others have pointed out.

6. Somewhere in his glowing description of himself he could have given Nancy credit for some of the things she did. I'm sure if he thought hard enough he could have remembered SOMETHING positive, and by including it he would have come off as a more compassionate figure. Plus since Nancy is gone and couldn't present her own counter-attack, er rebuttal, it wouldn't have hurt his case in any way that I can see.

7. Probably didn't help his "image" with me when he complained about Nancy's family talking to a mental health professional about how to best talk to the children. Especially since he claimed he'd spoken to one for the exact same reason. No reason to come off as publicly slamming your dead wife's traumatized family. He could have gotten his point across so it didn't come off as slamming. He voiced other legitimate complaints that were obviously addressed / decided on in the judge's chambers: this could have been handled the same way.

8. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' having Scott H make a Rebuttal Affidavit came across as stupid and selfish. IF SH had only focused on things that concerned him, fine; but he was in no position to address anything that anyone else stated (that wasn't about him or his ex-wife), and yet he did. Made him and BC both look bad.

9. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' putting up the webpage directing anyone with information about Nancy's death to call the attorney doesn't make BC come off very well.

10. And WTH does this mean ?? Are we to assume these attorneys are really "assisting" in the investigation rather than being a shield between BC and the rest of the world and getting ready to defend him should he be implicated in NC's murder?? Is this supposed to make BC look innocent?? That sure isn't the impression it gives me!

"Brad Cooper July 16 statement on wife's death

PRESS RELEASE
From Counsel Assisting Brad Cooper in Investigating the death of Nancy Cooper" (snip)
http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3218421/




I know I could come up with much, much more - just as others here have time and time again. It really shouldn't be that hard for BC to at least pretend to be a somewhat normal human being and less of a self-centered behind.

 

[Apex-mom]

BINGO

Who owns the SUV???

Could it be possible that Nancy's Dad bought the SUV from Brad for Nancy? He seems to have known of their marital problems, and if say, he was loaning money to them and wanted something in return to secure as Nancy's, wouldnt the SUV be the perfect choice?

?
Just my .02!
Apex-mom

 

[jumpstreet]

I don't remember the ME having to testify at any hearing. I believe he was served with a subpoena to show up, ( and there was a rumour that he was at the courthouse, or on the way to the courthouse)but as no proceedings took place in the courtroom, the two sides of the family coming to an agreement about the temporary custody without benefit of a judge, he was not needed.

I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

That's my recollection as well. Also (my recollection is) that BC's side served the subpoena on the ME (presumably because they were confident anything the ME could/would reveal would support his innocence)

 

[jumpstreet]

(Response to carolinalady and MoonFlwr)

Actually there have been things he could have done that would make him look at least a little better than he has... so off the top of my head and with very little thought (something a bit scary coming from a blonde, I know)...

[snip]

I know I could come up with much, much more - just as others here have time and time again. It really shouldn't be that hard for BC to at least pretend to be a somewhat normal human being and less of a self-centered behind.

Great post.

 

[carolinalady]

Could it be possible that Nancy's Dad bought the SUV from Brad for Nancy? He seems to have known of their marital problems, and if say, he was loaning money to them and wanted something in return to secure as Nancy's, wouldnt the SUV be the perfect choice?

?
Just my .02!
Apex-mom

OR could it be that they have been issued NEW RED PLATES (since the last time taxes were paid) and those aren't on the car yet? I received my new red plates in the mail and it was up to me to put the new tag on the car and turn in the old blue one. IF it was converted to a lease, it wouldn't be on his record (I checked our lease).

 

[Jess]

That's my recollection as well. Also (my recollection is) that BC's side served the subpoena on the ME (presumably because they were confident anything the ME could/would reveal would support his innocence)

Yes you're right that it was served by BC's attorney.

Those in the know said that he would not reveal the autopsy report anyway as it was too soon for the report to be ready. Posturing on the attorney's part, I think!

 

[carolinalady]

(Response to carolinalady and MoonFlwr)

Actually there have been things he could have done that would make him look at least a little better than he has... so off the top of my head and with very little thought (something a bit scary coming from a blonde, I know)...

1. He could have called LE/911 when Nancy was gone past her 2 hours max. running time. Yes, he said he didn't know you could call before 24 hours, but JA didn't know either and went ahead and called. Worst case is they would have told him he had to wait, given him some suggestions and advised him to call back later. Best - it would have made him look like a half-way caring and concered human being.

2. He could have attended at least ONE of the impromptu or organized services/vigils for Nancy. Even going to the one last night would have worked. OR since he SAID he was planning on having his own service, it might have been a good idea to have done so -- and NOT this far after the fact.

3. No problem that he doesn't like to "grieve" or show his emotions in public, but he still should have gone -- at the very least -- to the press conference where it was confirmed that Nancy had indeed been found.

4. He could have had his attorney release the documents AFTER the day of the memorial service for Nancy. One day surely wouldn't have made much of a difference re his case, but it sure would have made him look less like a self-serving jerk.

5. Yes custody and divorce cases are messy, but due to the fact his wife was just murdered he could have avoided the trap of putting down his now dead wife / the mother of his children. I'm sure he could have been more brutal (verbally), but it's also true that he could have left out or at the very least re-worded many of the things he wrote so they weren't so harsh. Sticking to things directly involving the case would have accomplished what he needed to accomplish -- as others have pointed out.

6. Somewhere in his glowing description of himself he could have given Nancy credit for some of the things she did. I'm sure if he thought hard enough he could have remembered SOMETHING positive, and by including it he would have come off as a more compassionate figure. Plus since Nancy is gone and couldn't present her own counter-attack, er rebuttal, it wouldn't have hurt his case in any way that I can see.

7. Probably didn't help his "image" with me when he complained about Nancy's family talking to a mental health professional about how to best talk to the children. Especially since he claimed he'd spoken to one for the exact same reason. No reason to come off as publicly slamming your dead wife's traumatized family. He could have gotten his point across so it didn't come off as slamming. He voiced other legitimate complaints that were obviously addressed / decided on in the judge's chambers: this could have been handled the same way.

8. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' having Scott H make a Rebuttal Affidavit came across as stupid and selfish. IF SH had only focused on things that concerned him, fine; but he was in no position to address anything that anyone else stated (that wasn't about him or his ex-wife), and yet he did. Made him and BC both look bad.

9. Whether it was his decision or his attorneys' putting up the webpage directing anyone with information about Nancy's death to call the attorney doesn't make BC come off very well.

10. And WTH does this mean ?? Are we to assume these attorneys are really "assisting" in the investigation rather than being a shield between BC and the rest of the world and getting ready to defend him should he be implicated in NC's murder?? Is this supposed to make BC look innocent?? That sure isn't the impression it gives me!

"Brad Cooper July 16 statement on wife's death

PRESS RELEASE
From Counsel Assisting Brad Cooper in Investigating the death of Nancy Cooper" (snip)
http://www.wral.com/news/local/page/3218421/




I know I could come up with much, much more - just as others here have time and time again. It really shouldn't be that hard for BC to at least pretend to be a somewhat normal human being and less of a self-centered behind.

Specifically I'm not going to answer each issue you've come up with, but I respect your post. I wish you would respect mine. I am continuing to objectively look at both sides of this case and I've never said he did it or he didn't do it.

Referring to your #4, his original affidavit was filed on 7/23 and that was the same day that the plantiff's affidavit was filed. As you can see, on both sides time was of the essence. It wasn't certain there was or wasn't going to be a custody hearing on 7/25 until the parties reached and agreement shortly before they were due to appear in the courtroom.

Referring to your #9 & #10, if you look bad in the thread where it has been discussed, I have posted that I think that was in very bad taste.

 

[carolinalady]

Yes you're right that it was served by BC's attorney.

Those in the know said that he would not reveal the autopsy report anyway as it was too soon for the report to be ready. Posturing on the attorney's part, I think!

I'm sure it is posturing. And the ME promptly issued a motion to quash b/c it wasn't ready for release.

 

[SleuthSayer]

Hey I am telling you for fact I know that he got it... I dont care if you believe me or not. I happen to work with Cisco and have long time friends who work with him at cisco. Take it for whats its worth...But he got those bonuses. He scored the biggest contract Cisco has and those bonuses or paid quarterly. I happen to be on that hasn't passed judgment yet. No surprise Fran took it and ran with it the way she did...she is convinced he did it. I provided information because it could be relevant either way.

This, like most of the other speculation that has been posted here about Cisco, is incorrect -- laughably so. Brad's job at Cisco does not involve "scoring" any contracts.

 

[maconrich]

Specifically I'm not going to answer each issue you've come up with, but I respect your post. I wish you would respect mine. I am continuing to objectively look at both sides of this case and I've never said he did it or he didn't do it.

Referring to your #4, his original affidavit was filed on 7/23 and that was the same day that the plantiff's affidavit was filed. As you can see, on both sides time was of the essence. It wasn't certain there was or wasn't going to be a custody hearing on 7/25 until the parties reached and agreement shortly before they were due to appear in the courtroom.

Referring to your #9 & #10, if you look bad in the thread where it has been discussed, I have posted that I think that was in very bad taste.

I'm not disrespecting your post. You stated "At this point, there's not much he can do that is right" and I just said some things off the top of my head that could /could have changed the image he's been projecting.

I gave him a lot of credit for working with Nancy's family in the judge's quarters (regardless of what his motivation may have been) and posted it here. He's not a stupid person, and he could have done and said things in a way that made him look better. But, with a few exceptions, that doesn't seem to be the path he decided to follow. Who knows, maybe that will change...

 

[DB in FV]

FYI, I just checked my own tax records, and it shows '07 and '08 info for our house and one car. We have a second car, but it isn't listed in the online information for whatever reason. So, the X5 not being listed doesn't necessarily mean anything.