Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #20

[momto3kids]

Maybe the LE didn't want to take any chances while waiting for DNA results so they did the blood sample. He is from Canada after all and if he was a flight risk they had the blood sample in their back pocket to use against him. I can see them wanting to wait for the DNA result because of it being precise, but the blood could be a 'just in case' needed.

Dry Blood can be used to get a blood type.

In 1915 the Italian scientist Leone Lattes developed a simple method for determining the blood type of a dried bloodstain.

 

[Anderson]

Maybe that is exactly what the defense lawyer wanted you to believe.

This attempt to obtain an uncompleted autopsy and the notes was a calculated gamble - nothing more. The defense lawyer knew it would be snowing in hades before a judge would agree to force the ME to hand this over with an ongoing investigation taking place. Neither the ME, LE/DA, are obligated to give Mr. Cooper anything related to this investigation, not even for a civil matter. 100 % Bluster

Thanks RC! Wheels within wheels.

 

[momto3kids]

RC...does the blood have to be taken out of the arm and not just a finger prick?

Was this perhaps a way to make BC roll his sleeves to expose the possible scratches? Most likely he grabbed a long sleeve shirt to answer the LE request while at SH home. He was wearing long sleeves in the photo of him leaving with the car seats.

Smart move if this was the case.

 

[raisincharlie]

Thanks RC! Wheels within wheels.

You watch some of these trials Anderson - you will see some most amazing things attempted by defense lawyers. I'm not criticizing them, they are a necessary item in a trial, and they are required to vigorously defend their client - even if it means going far out there to do so. But you will be amazed at times just how far out that far out can be.

 

[raisincharlie]

RC...does the blood have to be taken out of the arm and not just a finger prick?

Was this perhaps a way to make BC roll his sleeves to expose the possible scratches? Most likely he grabbed a long sleeve shirt to answer the LE request while at SH home. He was wearing long sleeves in the photo of him leaving with the car seats.

Smart move if this was the case.

Booyah - roll up the sleeve, they are going to take a vial. Yes, smart move if they wanted a look at his arms, maybe too late but still a smart move.

 

[Anderson]

You watch some of these trials Anderson - you will see some most amazing things attempted by defense lawyers. I'm not criticizing them, they are a necessary item in a trial, and they are required to vigorously defend their client - even if it means going far out there to do so. But you will be amazed at times just how far out that far out can be.

Well, I have to admit I'm fascinated :crazy:

 

[raisincharlie]

Well, I have to admit I'm fascinated :crazy:

Keep a supply of nerf bricks handy to throw at your screen

It is indeed fascinating to watch, mind blowing at times.

 

[momto3kids]

Booyah - roll up the sleeve, they are going to take a vial. Yes, smart move if they wanted a look at his arms, maybe too late but still a smart move.

So IF there are scratch marks, and IF the LE had blood drawn this could be in the LE's back pocket if BC decides to head to Canada because the DNA won't be back yet?

Wouldn't this would be enough to name him if this is the scenario, and his blood matches something they found on NC. This would hit 2 birds with 1 stone.

 

[macd]

Then would you agree, if he drove his own car, and you have surmised he used two cell phones - his own to receive a call and Nancy's to make a call to him at 6:40 - and you think the purse was left in the X5 by Nancy that he would have also had to get into the X5 to take the cell phone and at some point later also return the cell phone to the purse in the X5 ? From corrections above concerning JA's 911 call - she does say the cell phone is in the car as well.

Lets hope he left some prints and spit on that cell phone.

I think the cell phone companies keep records on which towers send/receive phone calls. If two cell phones were used, the records may show they were in the same location at the time of the call.

 

[EntreNous]

STAR12 quoted on 8/06...If anyone is interested, I just went back and listened to JA's 911 tape. Where she mentions the phone being in the car and her cell phone is there, and then LATER ON she says that NC's cell phone being in the car is definitely weird.

So Nancy's cell phone WAS in her car, and JA was upset that it was in there.

This was the topic of conversation on 8/06 evening postings, about what JA told the LE.
Good catch Star12!

BC concerned about NC's whereabouts? Bull
Knows phone is not with NC
States he is trying to 'get a hold' of NC
Can't find Carey's number

Get the phone, call the recent numbers she conversed with. Carey had just cancelled the morning before...VERY likely Carey's number is on there. How many people did he call looking for NC? Two...

Purse was put in vehicle for alibi IMO.

With all due respect I just listened to the 911 again twice looking for this and it is not there. Twice JA says that the cell phone is "there". She never says the phone is in the car. The first time she mentions the phone being "there" is at 2:53 on the tape. The second time that she mentions the phone she says and I quote, "...and the fact that her car is still at home and her cell phone is there is a little weird...". This comment is made at 3:43 on the tape. Both times JA mentions NC's cell phone it is in the same sentence with her car but in neither does she say the phone is in the car.

Also at 1:29 on the tape a knock can be heard. Not sure if this is a knock on a door but soon after at 1:44 it sounds like possibly a chair being scooted on the floor. At 2:22 you can hear a man in the background say something but it's garbled and I can't make it out. It comes immediately after dispatch asks JA if BC has been violent with NC in the past. At first I thought the man in the background said something like, "very violent" but upon listening to it a few times it sounds more like "very rapid"? I don't know.

 

[raisincharlie]

So IF there are scratch marks, and IF the LE had blood drawn this could be in the LE's back pocket if BC decides to head to Canada because the DNA won't be back yet?

Wouldn't this would be enough to name him if this is the scenario, and his blood matches something they found on NC. This would hit 2 birds with 1 stone.

LE is not going to name him as a POI or suspect, no matter what evidence they have. An arrest will be made without ever naming anyone in the press IMO. LE is not going to arrest until there is an indictment and the DA is not going to send it to a GJ until they believe the evidence is sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

As to fleeing to Canada - I suspect if LE is focusing on Brad - his name has been added to the watch lists at the borader crossings. It is also possible LE could have seized his documents during the search warrant execution.

 

[Roy23]

Well, I would think that NC being murdered would be pretty much evidence of a crime.

As far as needed "more evidence", we are not LE, not DA, not Jury. We would like to know more, but what is to come will be from the search warrants, and from the ME's office. Otherwise, I don't think there is a whole lot more evidence we can uncover other than what we already know.

Totally agree. I guess I meant evidence tying Brad to something physical. Either at the house, the scene, or the car. I am in wait mode. Look forward to seeing what they got.

 

[Anderson]

Keep a supply of nerf bricks handy to throw at your screen

It is indeed fascinating to watch, mind blowing at times.

:martini:

 

[raisincharlie]

I think the cell phone companies keep records on which towers send/receive phone calls. If two cell phones were used, the records may show they were in the same location at the time of the call.

Just the Fax checked the towers - there is one tower in that area. The records will reflect only the tower the call was processed through. If the phones were anywhere within the radius of that tower - of course they would be reported as being processed through the same tower - but the tower does not give an exact location of the phone when the call is either made or received. Unless they subscribed to a GPS service - the tower will not give the location of the phone.

 

[momto3kids]

With all due respect I just listened to the 911 again twice looking for this and it is not there. Twice JA says that the cell phone is "there". She never says the phone is in the car. The first time she mentions the phone being "there" is at 2:53 on the tape. The second time that she mentions the phone she says and I quote, "...and the fact that her car is still at home and her cell phone is there is a little weird...". This comment is made at 3:43 on the tape. Both times JA mentions NC's cell phone it is in the same sentence with her car but in neither does she say the phone is in the car.

Also at 1:29 on the tape a knock can be heard. Not sure if this is a knock on a door but soon after at 1:44 it sounds like possibly a chair being scooted on the floor. At 2:22 you can hear a man in the background say something but it's garbled and I can't make it out. It comes immediately after dispatch asks JA if BC has been violent with NC in the past. At first I thought the man in the background said something like, "very violent" but upon listening to it a few times it sounds more like "very rapid"? I don't know.

EN...on the 6th we had a lengthy discussion on this and some did hear her say something about the car. I did not hear it, but some did.

We know JA had not been in NC home to state it was there. Many of us felt she or someone looked in NC car and saw or heard it. All anyone has to do it call it and it either lit up or was heard going off with a call coming in.

 

[momto3kids]

LE is not going to name him as a POI or suspect, no matter what evidence they have. An arrest will be made without ever naming anyone in the press IMO. LE is not going to arrest until there is an indictment and the DA is not going to send it to a GJ until they believe the evidence is sufficient to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

As to fleeing to Canada - I suspect if LE is focusing on Brad - his name has been added to the watch lists at the borader crossings. It is also possible LE could have seized his documents during the search warrant execution.

I agree the LE doesn't want to name him at all so they can keep all the information they have close to them and not anything to the defense. But on the other hand we did not hear anything about his passport...remember BC gave us a copy of his passport on the 24th? To me it shows he has it.

I am saying if push gets to shove the LE might have to show this card and name him if he tries to make a run for it.

 

[EntreNous]

EN...on the 6th we had a lengthy discussion on this and some did hear her say something about the car. I did not hear it, but some did.

We know JA had not been in NC home to state it was there. Many of us felt she or someone looked in NC car and saw or heard it. All anyone has to do it call it and it either lit up or was heard going off with a call coming in.

I agree about calling it and seeing it light up or hearing it ring. I was just trying to keep the facts straight on the 911 call. We have so few hard facts on the case, It would be the pits to get sidetracked on something that wasn't there.

 

[Star12]

With all due respect I just listened to the 911 again twice looking for this and it is not there. Twice JA says that the cell phone is "there". She never says the phone is in the car. The first time she mentions the phone being "there" is at 2:53 on the tape. The second time that she mentions the phone she says and I quote, "...and the fact that her car is still at home and her cell phone is there is a little weird...". This comment is made at 3:43 on the tape. Both times JA mentions NC's cell phone it is in the same sentence with her car but in neither does she say the phone is in the car.

Also at 1:29 on the tape a knock can be heard. Not sure if this is a knock on a door but soon after at 1:44 it sounds like possibly a chair being scooted on the floor. At 2:22 you can hear a man in the background say something but it's garbled and I can't make it out. It comes immediately after dispatch asks JA if BC has been violent with NC in the past. At first I thought the man in the background said something like, "very violent" but upon listening to it a few times it sounds more like "very rapid"? I don't know.

It is not distinct but I definitely heard "the fact that her car is at home and her cell phone in there is a little wierd" at the 3:43 - 3:48 mark. This tape has obviously been edited, as well, so some of the noise may be editing.

Other ears?

 

[raisincharlie]

I agree the LE doesn't want to name him at all so they can keep all the information they have close to them and not anything to the defense. But on the other hand we did not hear anything about his passport...remember BC gave us a copy of his passport on the 24th? To me it shows he has it.

I am saying if push gets to shove the LE might have to show this card and name him if he tries to make a run for it.

Perhaps he kept it in his office at Cisco and perhaps LE looked specifically for it there under the warrant issued on the 25th to Cisco.

 

[EntreNous]

Yeah, I noticed all the editing. I wonder which friend she's referring to that is/was hysterical?