Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #25

[momto3kids]

SG :clap:
Love it!!

 

[SleuthyGal]

Posted by Jump: Though, if we discount only the factual pieces (not the stuff like who is controlling, who exaggerates, etc) as just he-said/she-said, then those pieces become a push at least.

To clarify, I'm not suggesting that anyone else only look at the facts in the case and discount or ignore the other pieces. I was merely saying that *I* personally don't know who is exaggerating or not, telling the truth or not and without a way to verify it I cannot figure out whose info is accurate or not. And based on my inability to figure it out, it's easier for ME to stick with the facts that I can get verification/corroboration about. But that's just me and YMMV.

 

[SleuthyGal]

SG :clap:
Love it!!

hee. my photoshop skills have been taxed.

 

[jmflu]

We have absolutely no reason to think that NC was bisexual. Who knows what went on in that respect and what does it really matter anyway? Certainly not a justification for murder.I do agree with NCN in one way: there is a lot we don't know.

(Bolding is mine.) Not in YOUR mind, but then again, you aren't a killer.

 

[jmflu]

Bringing the "bisexual" thing into the equation based on just pictures of close friends having a good time together is totally out of order! It is unfair to both Nancy and her friends. There is nothing unusual about these pictures to women who have close female freindships. I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about this insinuation.

I'm not sure why you feel insulted. Is there something wrong with bisexuality?

 

[jmflu]

In my mind the only relevant things are evidence relating to the actual murder, the timeline, the body, the search warrants, the results of forensic testing, etc, etc. Who was sleeping with who or not does not appear to change the salient facts of the case as far as we know them.
ETA: LOL Reddress!

(Bolding is mine) No, but it is important if it could lead to motive...

 

[momto3kids]

To clarify, I'm not suggesting that anyone else only look at the facts in the case and discount or ignore the other pieces. I was merely saying that *I* personally don't know who is exaggerating or not, telling the truth or not and without a way to verify it I cannot figure out whose info is accurate or not. And based on my inability to figure it out, it's easier for ME to stick with the facts that I can get verification/corroboration about. But that's just me and YMMV.

The mud slinging is getting thicker with time between BC/friends and NC/friends. I would have thought hip boots would be needed to wade thru all this chit, but it is looking like I need a jacked up 4-wheel drive before it ends.

 

[jmflu]

However, if you DID get close to others, which you admit you don't, you may have a better understanding why those photos in no way mean there may be relationships other than close friendships.

I'm not sure why you think ncnative is going on the photos. I'm not, and I wonder the same thing, and don't have any negative views of it at all. It's based on what we have learned/ heard.

 

[SleuthyGal]

(Bolding is mine) No, but it is important if it could lead to motive...

There could be multiple motives.

- not getting along
- custody issue
- money / alimony
- infidelity
- issues of control
- cleanliness of house
- issues involving the kids

These two were back in 'hate mode' and fighting. That much is agreed upon by almost everyone. In the end you may never know the exact single thing that was the proverbial straw that broke that camel's back.

 

[SleuthyGal]

The mud slinging is getting thicker with time between BC/friends and NC/friends. I would have thought hip boots would be needed to wade thru all this chit, but it is looking like I need a jacked up 4-wheel drive before it ends.

Or you could do as I'm attempting to do and that is keeping focused on the murder investigation and the evidence therein.

 

[jmflu]

Privately I told some and will now tell the other members, he told the lady at the desk NC was in the car on the cell phone and running behind and he felt he could save her some time.

WOW. This is BIG news, to me, Mom. Have you told LE this information? Have they talked to the person who told you this? Where is their affidavit?

I don't mean to get too nosy into what you can't reveal, but if this happened and someone can swear by it... then BC lied to someone. For sure.

 

[jmflu]

So he mentions cell phone and NC using it. What if the lady did scan the card? This is something I could not get confirmed from my source. Even if NC card wasn't scanned he could have her phone showing a call made.

So, can the swiping of BC's card be timed to an exact time of NC's phone being used? And, it would be more than a second or a minute she was using it, if she was having a conversation, correct?

 

[momto3kids]

WOW. This is BIG news, to me, Mom. Have you told LE this information? Have they talked to the person who told you this? Where is their affidavit?

I don't mean to get too nosy into what you can't reveal, but if this happened and someone can swear by it... then BC lied to someone. For sure.

I assure you I told someone that can get it to LE in a moments notice. I am checking this week to see if they did since I asked them to. If not I will take the necessary steps to verify they have knowledge of it.

As I mentioned I really thought the LE would know about it since BC had in his affidavits he went to LFT. Believe me I have a few friends making sure I follow thru with this...

 

[jmflu]

This 2+ hour tour of Cary BC did, he could have been looking for MH or whoever had the phone to get it back. This is possible where his time was spent.

I don't know who had NC phone, but obviously BC or someone did on Saturday.

I wonder if they checked it for prints. Of course, BC could use NC's phone with no suspicion, but his prints shouldn't be the last ones on it, if he's innocent.

 

[momto3kids]

So, can the swiping of BC's card be timed to an exact time of NC's phone being used? And, it would be more than a second or a minute she was using it, if she was having a conversation, correct?

I think you have missed where the LTF came into this conversation. She wasn't using it, she was dead! I have absolutely no idea if any cards were swiped, especially NC. He asked for hers to be swiped, but I couldn't get it confirmed if it did.

I was saying with MH stating calls, it could be the LE is also asking about LTF because MH didn't state what calls the LE was inquiring about.

My hopes is if A card was swiped for LTF and a call was done on NC phone it would show him trying to have an alibi for NC.

 

[jmflu]

Thanks MT3 - it's good info.

If the information is true, then surely... surely... surely, the person at the reception desk who BC spoke to (and told that his wife was in the car, but on her way in...)... surely, that person would have seen the news about the search, seen the requests for help, etc... and mentioned this incredibly pertinent information to LE by now.

If not, then yeah, I would suggest they be encouraged to mention it.

And... I think someone checked on cameras in LTF? Wouldn't Brad be caught on videotape during this conversation? Mightn't he have indicated with non-verbal communication (such as a thumb towards the car) that NC was in the car, backing up the receptionist's statement. Gawd, if the video has sound...

 

[jmflu]

Why did MH not mention tennis plans before now?
Why did he say they see the Cooper's each other socially every week or two? Now he says 3 times in 1 weekend?
He has certainly embellished it now since he appears PO'd because he is being questioned IMO.

I thought it was hinky that he stated that NC and BC usually beat he and his wife. What on earth does that comment have to do with anything, other than to paint him as a humble, affable guy?

 

[jmflu]

It's one thing to have your murdered spouse's friends paint you badly - but quite a different animal to have LE paint you badly. WTH does Hiller's three conversations with LE have to do with respect to the custody of the kids may I ask ? Because LE did this, has what exactly to do with Brad being a good father or even sane ?

There's a huge difference here Jump - not a push.

Maybe they talked to ALL people concerned with this case multiple times, perhaps even more than they did MH, so it's not really a standout for them to have talked to him 3 times? Do we know?

 

[jmflu]

Excellent!

 

[Anderson]

Anderson...I will use your quote since it is the 1st one I have found inquiring about me recently.

Yes, I have been absent for a short time. Many reasons outside of WS, but one is pertaining to the NC case. I have been pondering about something that was said to me not too long ago.

I made contact with a few people on here to discuss what I had been told. It has been a hard decision, but I have had to think thru what was mentioned to me, but believe me MH has made it easy since he paved the path.

Recently I had it mentioned about an accomplice in this crime. I did not know if it was true or not, so I chose to stay away and think about it, talk about it and try to decide if it could be true.

This answers I hope my short disappearance.

It is great to see you posting again!! MH seems quite involved, that's for sure! I didn't know about him until today. He certainly seems to see things from Brad's point of view. I wonder if LE knows where he was from 6-7 that morning. Perhaps Brad did get a babysitter while he was gone . . . .

It really makes me wonder what else we don't know.