Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #5

[jilly]

Updated WRAL story
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/3220350/

Tarheel - Was it you asking yesterday where Brad & Nancy met? I believe you said you missed it on Nancy Grace. There was a post last nite which said they met at IBM in Calgary, Alta.

 

[Blink34]

As someone posted on another thread...and not sure if one parent needs signed consent from the absentee parent with or without a passport (like Mexico)...you can still use birth certificates...just not sure where the kids were born.

You know...there are laws in place for absconding children. If BC was afraid of his wife leaving with the kids go to court to prevent it. I don't get why he was so damn angry. He was the one that was busy elsewhere. If he killed her, I have to believe that it was sudden rage.

I dont think that is true about the birth certs for Canada, I think the HS act requires passports for all non US international travel as of last year or the year before. I was in Montreal in 06 and needed a passport?
Kids may be different, not sure. The kids were born in US.

He so angry because he thinks he should get to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants and she should just take it- How could an ego like that take the blow of his wife leaving him?

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Not necessarily. Husbands have been known to forge their wives' signatures.

What did he do with $55K? I am assuming he did something with it, since Nancy had to borrow money from her family in order for the kids to eat.

I was thinking something similar, although she ALSO signed the papers.

 

[RR0004]

I wish more women would listen to their gut. As I mentioned earlier, I have a ex-friend with an abusive husband (verbally and physically). She would call when he worked her over, but would never leave. When he wasn't abusing her, she was always referring to him lovingly.
My husband this...and my husband that...made me want to puke...and a week later a call saying he had beaten her up again...
I had to remove myself from the situation. Seemed I was always upset about her situation..and she kept getting over it...at least until the next time.

Abuse is a vicious cycle...one that needs to be broken...either by the victim leaving the situation or learning to detach with love. It truly is not easy and never makes that much sense to the outsider looking in.

 

[tarheelfan78]

Thanks Jilly! I was just trying to figure out whether she had always been a SAHM since living in the States or had she worked. After today's new revelations IMO the fact that he was limiting finds and took the kids passport after saying she could move back to Canada (according to WRAL) makes it seem like he was indeed trying to regain control of Nancy. In the press conference her father stated that five days before he death they spent 10 days together in Charlotte and Hilton and I was wondering if during that time she had made the decision to try to leave again.
On another note when people ask why didn't she just leave ....my cousin is going through a divorce and her lawyer told her to stay in the house. I can't remember the reason it had to do with alimony though.

Again these are just MY opinions...

 

[Blink34]

Tarheel - Was it you asking yesterday where Brad & Nancy met? I believe you said you missed it on Nancy Grace. There was a post last nite which said they met at IBM in Calgary, Alta.

Thanks for posting the link, it does say that she was found with very little clothing, and that she "retained" counsel in March, I thought the petition said "sought counsel" , there's a big difference. If she retained counsel she probably needed at least $5K for a retainer and there would be pending civil action, which there is not.

 

[RR0004]

I dont think that is true about the birth certs for Canada, I think the HS act requires passports for all non US international travel as of last year or the year before. I was in Montreal in 06 and needed a passport?
Kids may be different, not sure. The kids were born in US.

He so angry because he thinks he should get to do whatever he wants with whoever he wants and she should just take it- How could an ego like that take the blow of his wife leaving him?

That was my thinking, too (and I'm a TA in my other life)...but it was pointed out to me that passports are needed for air travel...by land-birth certificates are still good for about another year (at least on the other side of the country!). As a TA, I always tell my clients passports anyway.

Montreal hasn't ceded from Canada yet have they? (just a little humor)

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I think in some of these cases, the spouses have no idea that their husbands or wives are going to kill them.

I wish we had a way to identify warning signs to prevent this from happening. The killer spouses, I have noticed, rarely admit to what they did and thus their thought processes that led to murder are unknown.

Personally, I don't think murderers are fully human. There is a huge missing piece in their makeup. They are defective and they are dangerous.

 

[jilly]

I dont think that is true about the birth certs for Canada, I think the HS act requires passports for all non US international travel as of last year or the year before. I was in Montreal in 06 and needed a passport?
Kids may be different, not sure. The kids were born in US.

I think it was effective in Jan '06 that passports were required for air or sea travel (US/Canada). If you travel by land, you can still use your bc &/or driver's license, I believe.

 

[maconrich]

I posted about the shovel. The shovel was NOT from his home but in a wooded area very close to location where we all met for the search, as well as where much construction is taking place. My understanding is police determined it was a construction site item left behind.

I was asking the forum why would Brad go to an area that had been scoured already and somehow make a shovel discovery. This is all new to me so I am also asking questions to understand what someone like this is trying to do. I am looking for guidance and help as well, like so many others. I was asking for opinions from more seasoned members on the board if Brad would plant a shovel, was he trying to make it look like he is trying to be of help, or was the shovel ironic to be left behind by someone in construction?

One of the persons who was present when the shovel was discovered is having nightmares, just thinking they would find Nancy right in front of them. This person also had a conversation with Brad in the woods until Brad revealed himself then these 2 people panicked. All they keep saying is, "what if the police weren't there?" I don't know why we keep encountering facts pertaining to this case, but is has occured and now we have to deal with it. If the nightmares don't cease I know counseling is in order.

This is my original post:

I have to ask the members who follow cases like this closely....why would Brad lead the police to a shovel he found while he did a search on Monday?? My understanding is it was one left behind from some construction and not a key piece of evidence. This was a location I am sure was combed time and time again. Why would it just appear or not be seen sooner? At the time the person spoke to him they did not know it was Brad. A conversation took place and then Brad revealed who he was with a handshake. It has freaked this person out.

I do know Brad wore the same cap and shirt in the search he was wearing to the press conference, but was wearing shorts in the search and not long pants on Monday. As I posted before it was pouring and gave us all a chill. He complained to someone very close he was being eaten up and itching all over.

Yes, that's what I was looking for -- thank you!! I can understand the nightmares based on the mental image of him coming up the embankment next to the car - in the rain - carrying the shovel -- especially with the stress and trauma that y'all are (and have been) going through. (I actually wouldn't be surprised if that image appears in my my dreams tonight! It's outright creepy!!)

If there had been recent (unfinished) construction where he found it I can see it being left behind by workers, but it *does* seem odd that the area had been searched before and no shovel ???

 

[NC-Curious]

Abuse is a vicious cycle...one that needs to be broken...either by the victim leaving the situation or learning to detach with love. It truly is not easy and never makes that much sense to the outsider looking in.

Don't get me wrong...I totally get it since I was in that position many many many years ago. But unfortunately, I had no family to turn to as I was raised in foster homes, and it turned out a stranger came to my rescue.
In this case, I have offered a place for her to stay and emotional support, but my friend is not strong enough to remove herself at this time.
I couldn't take the ups and downs with her and it has to be her decision to remove herself...If she ever decides to get OUT and needs a place to go...I will be there...but I can't go up and down with her if she isn't ready. She has a good job and the house and cars are in her name since he is broke as a joke so she'll be ok...if she can just get there before it goes to the point of no return.

 

[jilly]

As someone posted on another thread...and not sure if one parent needs signed consent from the absentee parent with or without a passport (like Mexico)...you can still use birth certificates...just not sure where the kids were born.

Yes, I believe you need the consent from the absentee parent.
I went to Mexico this past March and was surprised I didn't need a passport.

 

[Carrington]

She could have applied for new passports, saying theirs was lost/stolen.
Right? That shouldn't have taken too long.....

 

[RR0004]

Thanks Jilly! I was just trying to figure out whether she had always been a SAHM since living in the States or had she worked. After today's new revelations IMO the fact that he was limiting finds and took the kids passport after saying she could move back to Canada (according to WRAL) makes it seem like he was indeed trying to regain control of Nancy. In the press conference her father stated that five days before he death they spent 10 days together in Charlotte and Hilton and I was wondering if during that time she had made the decision to try to leave again.
On another note when people ask why didn't she just leave ....my cousin is going through a divorce and her lawyer told her to stay in the house. I can't remember the reason it had to do with alimony though.

Again these are just MY opinions...

If there were children involved, you cannot just leave the house-especially if your husband doesn't want you to. A judge can order you back. Also, good idea to stay in the house as that's probably one of the biggest assets anyone has...well unless you're very well off. Probably also the reason why BC didn't want to move out.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Well, not always. Usually the attorney talks to the potential client initially for free. Then the payment schedule is agreed upon. Sometimes the lawyer doesn't get paid until he can get it from the husband (on the judge's order). Sometimes the lawyer takes the case but doesn't actually do any work on it until s/he is paid up to date.

There are plenty of divorce attorneys who will take $1-$2 K to get started on a case.

It could be that no papers were filed because Nancy told the lawyer to hold off until she gave the okay.

I don't think an attorney was all that involved in this situation. Maybe it's different in NC, but usually the issuance of a restraining order will get the husband out of the house. It sure doesn't prevent murder, however.

It's dangerous for the law in a state to basically force divorcing couples to live together in the same domicile, IMO.

Thanks for posting the link, it does say that she was found with very little clothing, and that she "retained" counsel in March, I thought the petition said "sought counsel" , there's a big difference. If she retained counsel she probably needed at least $5K for a retainer and there would be pending civil action, which there is not.

 

[Jovin]

RR, yes there's alot of what if's , but considering what we know now that she had no access to $$ and she consulted an attorney 30 days later, somethings rotten in Denmark. Also the suicide threat in Winter?
This guys a new breed in bottom feeder, imo.

I've just seen this "suicide threat" mentioned twice in the last few posts and I don't know where that came from. Can someone fill me in please, or head me in the right direction so I can check that out? I don't know where I've missed it but I guess I have.

 

[NC-Curious]

Stranger=brother of a co-worker who befriended me via phone and physically came and removed me and my four month old son....

 

[raisincharlie]

Not necessarily. Husbands have been known to forge their wives' signatures.

What did he do with $55K? I am assuming he did something with it, since Nancy had to borrow money from her family in order for the kids to eat.

The paper associated with Nancy's signature was notorized. So it may be more likely that she did indeed sign the paperwork. However, that doesn't preclude that the notary never actually witnessed Nancy signing the paperwork.

 

[wherego]

Wherego-
I responded at length to one of your posts yesterday, actually carrying it to a second thread to make sure you saw it. I find it interesting that you elected not to respond to it, yet post such an antagonistic question to taximom when there are up to 200 viewers on this thread at a time over the last few days. I am trying to understand why that is your only contribution to what amounts to hundreds of pages of posts, and Miss TaxiMom' opinion is shared by the majority- why?

You want to know why, I'll tell you why. If 200 people here can express their opinion but I can't, the word dictatorship comes to mind. I am just trying to see what perhaps could be be an innocent person tried in the media and on an internet board. I have been on other boards on the internet and thankfully NONE are like this. I have never in my entire life seen a group so into validating and running up the number of post on the boards. Before I close, I want to go back to yesterday's point I was trying to make about serving on a jury.


To serve on a jury you must enter into the proceeding without having formed an opinion regarding guilt or innocence and that you decide the case based solely on an objective and unemotional examination of the evidence presented at trial.

With that said I would like to ask how many of you are going to disqualify you from being on that jury instead of saying that websleuthers would be great jurors.

Based on what I have seen here the statement "websleuthers would be great jurors is a very scary statement indeed". I'll go one step farther and say the scariest statement I have heard in a long time.

Just My Honest Opinion and I hope this is still America

 

[RR0004]

Don't get me wrong...I totally get it since I was in that position many many many years ago. But unfortunately, I had no family to turn to as I was raised in foster homes, and it turned out a stranger came to my rescue.
In this case, I have offered a place for her to stay and emotional support, but my friend is not strong enough to remove herself at this time.
I couldn't take the ups and downs with her and it has to be her decision to remove herself...If she ever decides to get OUT and needs a place to go...I will be there...but I can't go up and down with her if she isn't ready. She has a good job and the house and cars are in her name since he is broke as a joke so she'll be ok...if she can just get there before it goes to the point of no return.

That's why you need to detach with love...the cycle of abuse has a tendency to suck you in. I totally understanding your feelings.