Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #7

[SeriouslySearching]

IMO, nothing we know so far proves that Brad is guilty. If it did, he'd already be under arrest.

I disagree. They could have enough evidence to prove his guilt and him still not be under arrest. They are going to wait until they have an absolute air-tight case until they do that. They are being methodical and I think they will wait on the dna results before an arrest. If she has material under her fingernails and it matches Brad...which to me is possibly why they asked for his DNA...they will have more than enough. Since his DNA was only collected the past few days (we have no confirmation if or when he gave it up...only they served him to do so) then it could be a week or more before his results could be available to test against what they do have from her.

 

[Magister]

If Brad didn't do it, I think it's very unprofessional of the Police to not warn the people of Wake county to the potential danger of a murderer on the loose.

The Chief has said that she's found nothing to indicate that this was anything but an isolated incident, but all that really means is that there's been no reports of similar crimes or near-misses in Cary. Another thread on this forum points toward a woman who disappeared the day before Nancy from the next county over and what appears to be her body was discovered about twenty minutes away.

I no longer live in the Triangle and the murder rate is much higher in these parts, but bodies (identified and unidentified) are popping-up around here, all the time. Cary is just one component of a metro area which consists of more than 1.6 million people and though none are a murder capital, the vast majority of those folks live within a half hour of where either body was found.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Oh yeah, I'm leaning in that direction myself.

I'm not sure what "neighbor" means in this case. I think of my neighbors as living in my subdivision (2 streets). Some of the neighbors referred to in the media live a couple of miles away.

Well...if you reason that this particular Heather knew Nancy's neighbor well enough to admit she was having an affair with Brad...I would say she probably lived near her, worked with her, or had another reason to feel so comfortable with her. It has been rumored that the person Brad was having an affair with was a friend of Nancy's. So it even makes it more evident this person being so close to Nancy, Brad, and to the neighbor...might be a neighbor herself. If she were not married, but only living with a man...she may not turn up on any searches as to her current address.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think that many people assume that husbands who are not physically abusive or don't threaten to kill their wives are not dangerous.

From what I've observed, complete selfishness and lack of normal human emotions such as compassion are better indicators that a man might kill his wife. Men who do this have spent their lives putting on an act. They pretend to be outgoing, friendly, charismatic, caring , loving husbands and fathers. When the facade starts to crumble, the wife would be the first to see it. That is when she becomes expendable...and he becomes a killer.
JMO
Susan

I agree. I have seen it repeatedly. Recently here, a high school teacher/coach killed his wife and that description fits him to a tee! No one suspected this man capable of killing his wife...until afterwards when they began to unravel his web of lies and deceit in order to make himself look "important" much like Mark Hacking.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Could it be that the media sought out this "Heather" because of the rumors to get her to make a statement on air? It is possible.

 

[chicoliving]

Now you got some room to spread around.

 

[Liz]

Thanks Chico for staying up and creating the new forum! :blowkiss:

 

[MoonFlwr]

The Chief has said that she's found nothing to indicate that this was anything but an isolated incident, but all that really means is that there's been no reports of similar crimes or near-misses in Cary. Another thread on this forum points toward a woman who disappeared the day before Nancy from the next county over and what appears to be her body was discovered about twenty minutes away.

I no longer live in the Triangle and the murder rate is much higher in these parts, but bodies (identified and unidentified) are popping-up around here, all the time. Cary is just one component of a metro area which consists of more than 1.6 million people and though none are a murder capital, the vast majority of those folks live within a half hour of where either body was found.

I had been wanting to know how far away Kelli was from Nancy's area, when she disappeared and you just answered that for me. Thanks, Magister!

 

[RoughlyCollie]

The town I live in is in the Boston metro area, which consists of 3 million people, covering 1422 square miles.

Boston is roughly 25 miles away from us, and has a high murder rate, as do some of the cities and towns within that metro area.

In my town, and the surrounding towns, murder is extremely rare. I think Entwistle's murders were the last two, and I'm pretty sure NE committed the first murders in 26 years in that town. His crimes made the murder rate of Hopkinton be higher than that of Boston for 2006, in fact.

So the murder rate in many towns around here is 0 (except for NE) and when murders do rarely occur, they are the result of domestic violence and are perpetrated by the husband the vast majority of the time.

What I'm getting at is that some places are just plain safe, even though they are in a large metro area in which the violent crime rate is high in parts of it. The higher the socio-economic class of the town, the lower the crime rate, it seems to me (at least that is the case in eastern Massachusetts).

Here is a comparison of crime rates in Cary and Raleigh:

http://raleigh.areaconnect.com/crime/compare.htm?c1=Raleigh&s1=NC&c2=cary&s2=NC

I no longer live in the Triangle and the murder rate is much higher in these parts, but bodies (identified and unidentified) are popping-up around here, all the time. Cary is just one component of a metro area which consists of more than 1.6 million people and though none are a murder capital, the vast majority of those folks live within a half hour of where either body was found.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I think you've made a good point.

Could it be that the media sought out this "Heather" because of the rumors to get her to make a statement on air? It is possible.

 

[Magister]

So the murder rate in many towns around here is 0 (except for NE) and when murders do rarely occur, they are the result of domestic violence and are 100% of the time perpetrated by the husband.

What I'm getting at is that some places are just plain safe, even though they are in a large metro area in which the violent crime rate is high in parts of it.

I'm currently living in the southwest and out of three murders of local people over the last year in my town of less than 10k (not counting the bodies which just pop-up in the surrounding desert or tourists), one was the result of a domestic situation, one was a nutjob with an automatic weapon and the other were teenagers in a park. I admit that the circumstances of Nancy's death and the things we've heard about Brad do make him a suspect (and we have no reason to believe that the police are looking at any other scenario), but murders happen and they may not always be as they seem.

BTW: I'm supposed to be working on my roof, so I'm going to have to periodically disappear for the rest of the night.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I wonder what percentage of men are like this. Or women -- there must be some who are like this.

I agree. I have seen it repeatedly. Recently here, a high school teacher/coach killed his wife and that description fits him to a tee! No one suspected this man capable of killing his wife...until afterwards when they began to unravel his web of lies and deceit in order to make himself look "important" much like Mark Hacking.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I agree that there is a (IMO, small) possibility that Brad is innocent. I am not on the fence about this, but I am always willing to change my mind as I learn more information about the case.

I wish we had more information. If he gets arrested, hopefully we'll find out more then.

I admit that the circumstances of Nancy's death and the things we've heard about Brad do make him a suspect (and we have no reason to believe that the police are looking at any other scenario), but murders happen and they may not always be as they seem.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

It is 4:37 a.m. here and I have to go to bed. I can't believe I stayed up so late. it's starting to get light outside here! It's been a pleasure "talking" with you.

How in the heck do you work on your roof at night -- do you have floodlights set up or something?

ETA: Thought of something else. Nancy and Brad were married for 8 years. How long does it take for these facades to crumble enough for the wives (or husbands) to recognize the danger signs, do you figure?

I just wish there were some way to predict the probability (not just the possibility) of this happening so people could be aware of the red flags and perhaps some of the potential victims could (and would) save themselves. Of course, a widespread campaign (like the one about not drinking and driving) would have to be launched for this to work.

BTW: I'm supposed to be working on my roof, so I'm going to have to periodically disappear for the rest of the night.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Thank you!

Now you got some room to spread around.

 

[angiej]

We've learned that Nancy went to South Carolina to spend some time at the beach with her family. We've never been told that the children went, but it has been assumed. Nonetheless, she had just returned from Hilton Head and not Canada.

In the last press conference the grandfather of the little girls said the girls got to spend time with them while on vacation so they were already aclimated to Nancy's side of the family.

BTW Hi I'm new. It took awhile to get approved, but I'm glad I can finally contribute. I'm not a normal crime follower but there was something about Nancy's case that's had me following it ever since she disappeared on saturday. I'm glad to have found this forum to discuss the case on.

 

[MoonFlwr]

Hi angiej!

Welcome! :seeya:

 

[RoughlyCollie]

Welcome, angiej. Unfortunately it's now 4:48 a.m. and I have to get out of here, so I can't stick around to talk to you. I think you'll love it here and don't be surprised if a few more cases catch your interest and you stick around for a long time.

BTW Hi I'm new.

 

[nursebeeme]

If Brad didn't do it, I think it's very unprofessional of the Police to not warn the people of Wake county to the potential danger of a murderer on the loose.
Err on the side of caution....
IMO

In my opinion...you just answered your own question... The professionalism of the cary pd, in my opinion again, is not an issue here

again IMHOO

 

[MoonFlwr]

This may already have been posted, but that means I missed it, so will post it in case others haven't seen it.

Custody petition

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/07/17/3222032/20080717103017508.pdf