Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #8

[SeriouslySearching]

I saw it is "are we still on" and I think it was a ruse anyway, so Jessica called her cell instead of her home?

Also, she may have known that Nancy was feeling stressed earlier and was checking in on her. She may have known that Nancy was going to confront Brad in some way that night after the party. Yes, I don't see Jessica calling the neighbor's home to talk to Nancy...so makes sense she had her cell phone with her.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That's an important point, imo. No one really even knows whether he kept those passports from her or not. We don't know if he refused to give her money. It's been reported that he did a lot of things, according to her family. I don't know these people, have no reason to doubt them..... just saying, we don't know.

I believe it was inferred by the parents that the reason they went to Hilton Head to visit with Nancy was because she did not have the passports at that time. I do not believe that the family would have included this in the custody petition if it were not factual and came directly from Nancy.

 

[warrkat]

I believe it was inferred by the parents that the reason they went to Hilton Head to visit with Nancy was because she did not have the passports at that time. I do not believe that the family would have included this in the custody petition if it were not factual and came directly from Nancy.

They probably wouldn't have. They only know what she told them. As I said, I'm not doubting their word, only saying that we don't know.

If there's another hearing on the 25th, and he chooses to fight for his children, he'll probably have witnesses to refute some or all of what they are saying. Something tells me that he won't fight. There's something "off" about him, but I can't decide if he doesn't care what happens, or if he realizes he's a crummy dad and the children would be better off with their grandparents...... at least for now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I highly doubt he will fight to regain custody. Hard to raise two kids in jail, I hear. LOL

 

[warrkat]

I highly doubt he will fight to regain custody. Hard to raise two kids in jail, I hear. LOL

LOL. Well, yes. But until he is arrested, or at least named a suspect, he is still their dad, and I would think they'd have to prove their allegations. I hope that by the time that hearing rolls around, he will either be cleared or arrested. Even if he IS cleared (and I have to agree that he probably won't be), he might give them custody, anyway.

 

[Just the Fax]

Exclusively? That is a new one for me-

Yep.
That's why I posted it.

 

[nursebeeme]

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Need help on this, still bugging me, and sorry to sound like a broken record, but, I dont think anyone has ever replied to this question-

Does it bother anyone that the kids passports were in NC car?? The affidavit says BC confiscated them, and then in plain site, he retrieves them from her car- I want to know if lE saw them when they first searched the car, if not, he put them back, but when??

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Yes it completely bothers me about the passports. He took them from her so she couldn't take the children back to Canada to live with her sister and then bingo! they are in the car.

My theory on this: he put them in the car during his cleanup.. If you go back and read calgary123's posts on Brad and his personality it completely fits...his ex girlfriend that posted here also said if he did it he would have planned it to down to the last tiny detail (ie, he was a perfectionist)

Ps, I bumped all of those posts to the "brad" thread

 

[panthera]

LOL. Well, yes. But until he is arrested, or at least named a suspect, he is still their dad, and I would think they'd have to prove their allegations. I hope that by the time that hearing rolls around, he will either be cleared or arrested. Even if he IS cleared (and I have to agree that he probably won't be), he might give them custody, anyway.

One thing I'm not clear on, from something I heard on Fox News today, is this ~ was he given the opportunity to fight this last order or not? I thought he just didn't fight it but now I'm not sure.

 

[warrkat]

One thing I'm not clear on, from something I heard on Fox News today, is this ~ was he given the opportunity to fight this last order or not? I thought he just didn't fight it but now I'm not sure.

No, I don't think he was. It was what is called an ex parte. I'm not "up" on legal terms, but my understanding is that all they had to do was convince the judge that there was evidence that the children could be in danger living with him. They didn't have to prove anything.

 

[panthera]

No, I don't think he was. It was what is called an ex parte. I'm not "up" on legal terms, but my understanding is that all they had to do was convince the judge that there was evidence that the children could be in danger living with him. They didn't have to prove anything.

So in other words, Brad didn't know it was going to happen until after it was over and he had to turn the children over to Nancy's family? That's the impression I got from what I heard on Fox today.

 

[nursebeeme]

It was in an article "all of a sudden", I do not believe LE has corroberated that as of yet..

Can anyone tell me where it came up or was posted that NC spoke to Jessica Adam at 10:30pm at the party Fri?

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The body hasn't been identified yet. They're hoping that will be done sometime this morning. They showed her husband thanking the volunteers yesterday. The best friend's name is Clea Morwick. She said that Nancy jogged with a partner a lot but that it wasn't unusual for her to go alone. She said that she knew Carrie, the friend Brad said that she was supposed to be jogging with. Carrie said that they hadn't planned to jog together that day. Megan Kelly asked about marital problems. Clea said that Nancy wouldn't run off on her own--that she would never leave for any reason. She said there was no reason to believe Brad would do anything and that he had been out there as much as anyone else. Nancy wouldn't have taken off for some down time. She always showed up when she said she would. There was no way that she would have gone off to meet someone. The night before she went missing. she mentioned that she was going jogging the next morning. Clea said that she has to be strong for Nancy's family. She's hoping that the body they found isn't Nancy.
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this is per friend Clea who was at the party

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No, I don't think he was. It was what is called an ex parte. I'm not "up" on legal terms, but my understanding is that all they had to do was convince the judge that there was evidence that the children could be in danger living with him. They didn't have to prove anything.

Correct. They will return to court on July 25th so he can make his case providing he wants to fight for them. This was only an emergency temporary custody hearing.

 

[nursebeeme]

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I'm a long-time lurker here, ever since the Scott Peterson days. I was fascinated with that case, because I couldn't understand how someone could do something so horrific to their own pregnant wife. I actually thought he didn't do it, and didn't change my mind until during or after the trial.

If I say anything I'm not supposed to here, my apologies. Let me also add that I'm no expert, am only giving my personal opinion, and that I could be flat wrong in every opinion I'm about to give.

Now this is a little crazy and too close to home, because I used to share a place with Brad Cooper. So I thought I'd log in and share my knowledge with a board that has given me a lot of knowledge over the years.

Its pretty amazing how well some of the posters have pegged his personality based on his online websites. In my opinion, he is the most narcissistic person I have ever known. He is also very driven, and has a high level of self confidence.

It is hard to explain, but he can be very social but also very withdrawn. He avoids outward conflict and will let his thoughts stew for a long time before you even would know he had an issue with something-- something I learned being his roommate. He would often be very quiet but in his early 20's had a hard-partying edge that would come out once and a while, where suddenly he was the life of the party.

He's always liked cars... I laughed when I heard he had 2 BMW's on the driveway, that sounds just like him. He wouldn't buy something unless it had a certain appeal factor. He wants to be the picture of success, to his peers and to women.

He's often a very nice guy, but I always had a deep mistrust of him. He was not someone who I would say would "do anything for a friend", whereas most people I know and hang out with are like that.

If one assumes that he did it (and I won't profess to know because the media also aren't to be trusted in my experience) it would be very much like him to want to seem cooperative etc., and do things like agreeing to attend a press conference, and then withdrawing at the last minute. He would be too afraid to have the confrontation of telling someone up front he wasn't going to attend-- he would rather lie about attending, and then just not show up, thereby avoiding the 'confrontation', at least in the short term.

I know two of his ex-girlfriends fairly well... they had much more of an insight into his dark side and each of them had shared some of that with some of his friends post-breakup. Its been so long now that I can't really remember what they had told me, and since he's not someone who has any impact or influence on my life, I had forgotten about him entirely.

Anyway, I think its quite possible he did it. This is not a situation where its someone who you think could never do such a thing. I've spoken to people who knew him better than I did this evening (everyone was phoning everyone, this is huge news), and his closest/oldest friends seem to be surprised, but also won't say "he would never do that". Others think he is absolutely capable of it.

If he didn't do it, I really feel sorry for him. Regardless, its her family who we should be concerned about. Those two girls have been deprived of their mother, and her parents and siblings deprived of a daughter and sister.

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[nursebeeme]

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Speaking of the former girlfriends or women he dated, do you recall any of them saying he was controlling or jealous? Did he cheat on them? This would strike me to be par for the course with him.

Was he a perfectionist?

I think it is very interesting what you said about this:

I can't recall anything about jealousy. In terms of controlling, that may fit but more in a passive-aggressive way. His style was not direct confrontation. He would never tell someone he didn't approve of something, but instead would have a tendency to withdraw, pout, or get back indirectly, but do it such that you'd know he was doing it with a purpose.

Perfectionist? Sure, that would describe him very well. He was into fitness at the time, but not marathons or ironmen competitions... I think it speaks for itself that he progressed to that level.

I'm going to get the goods that will bring old memories back over the next few days when I talk to people who were more heavily involved with him than me, and if there's something very telling and which isn't private, I'll share it. I don't want to expose people who don't want their stories told. Sometimes you can tell a story and those close to the group will know exactly who you are talking about... and its not my place to share secrets. I have nothing to hide from Brad, and I'll tell my stories, but I won't tell someone else's unless its appropriate to do so. You can all judge that hearsay for yourselves.

And lets remember, he might be a victim here. Time will tell.

 

[panthera]

Correct. They will return to court on July 25th so he can make his case providing he wants to fight for them. This was only an emergency temporary custody hearing.

thank you that confirms what I heard earlier today! Now the question will be what he does on the 25th.

 

[nursebeeme]

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Let me add one thing before I stop posting for the night:

If he did it, I would expect the motive to be based on money. I would not expect that he was afraid of losing his wife to another man as much as he would not want to face the economic consequences.

 

[Blink34]

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The body hasn't been identified yet. They're hoping that will be done sometime this morning. They showed her husband thanking the volunteers yesterday. The best friend's name is Clea Morwick. She said that Nancy jogged with a partner a lot but that it wasn't unusual for her to go alone. She said that she knew Carrie, the friend Brad said that she was supposed to be jogging with. Carrie said that they hadn't planned to jog together that day. Megan Kelly asked about marital problems. Clea said that Nancy wouldn't run off on her own--that she would never leave for any reason. She said there was no reason to believe Brad would do anything and that he had been out there as much as anyone else. Nancy wouldn't have taken off for some down time. She always showed up when she said she would. There was no way that she would have gone off to meet someone. The night before she went missing. she mentioned that she was going jogging the next morning. Clea said that she has to be strong for Nancy's family. She's hoping that the body they found isn't Nancy.
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this is per friend Clea who was at the party

Nurse- I am missing the info on the 10:30pm phone call my dearest nbm.

 

[nursebeeme]

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I find this extremely difficult. I feel so much grief for those two little girls whose world has been absolutely ripped apart. This is not something that will pass. This is something that will be with them their entire life. I feel for NC's family..what a horrible thing to have to endure. At the same time, I feel for BC's family. No one raises a child to become a murderer (if indeed he did this). BC's family has lost a daughter-in-law, are watching what's happening to their son and who knows how much access they are getting with their grandchildren. These people are grieving too. They are trying to hope beyond hope and believe in their son that he was not responsible for this. They, however, must realize that this does not look good for him.

I think the parents can not be blamed for his mental instability, I truly believe he has a chemical imbalance which in absolutely NO WAY does it excuse what's happened. I don't believe it to even be any sort of defense. There are tons of ways to work through chemical imbalances and personality issues. It is never a defense for murder, IMO.

Now before someone jumps on me for defending him or his family, I have a right to be so torn. I am one of those "ex's" from Canada. BC is from a good family. They gave him so many opportunities that others never had. The Calgary poster is right though. As a person, Brad can be materialistic, self-centered, narcisistic (sp?), moody, mean, emotionally controlling and the like. He can also be a good person, we all have good in us. Nancy must have seen more of his good side at the beginning to have wanted to have children with him and probably tried so hard (as all of his previous relationships did) to work through the bad.

I feel horrible for what NC had to endure and the outcome (at whoever's hands). This is such an awful situation. My head KNOWS how this is going to turn out, my heart wishes it would be different. I wish it was going to be a different outcome because I have shared part of my life, my family....with BC and can't believe that someone that I had put my trust in could ever be involved in such a horrible act. I don't feel sorry for BC because he put himself in this situation. I feel sorry for NC, those poor children and both families.

He is an intensely private person. He is also an extremely smart person which surprises me all the more that he would do something so stupid. I don't think that it was pre-meditated. I think there was an argument that got out of control, one thing led to another and she was gone and he panicked. Which is why everything is unravelling for him. If this was premeditated, he is smart...he would have covered everything to the last meticulous detail.

I think he's guilty. I'll say it clear. But I do feel for his family as well.

And Brad, if you're reading this, because lord knows if you're not in jail, you'll have that laptop all wired up, how could you?


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Brad does not have any "close" friends of which I'm aware. He doesn't tend to make lasting friendships.

He went to high school in Medicine Hat, then moved to Calgary. When in Calgary, he had no friends from his high school days. That by itself is odd, and I thought it odd even back then... you would think a few years out of high school you'd still have some friends from your youth. He did not.

Then from Calgary he moved to NC. He did not keep in touch with any of his friends from Calgary once he moved to NC. There just wasn't that kind of bond.

Of all his "friends" I know in Calgary (including myself) not one person has said they don't think he did it. In fact, we all think he likely did.

One of his ex-girlfriends commented to me the other day that she felt odd saying it, but she could actually see him doing something like this.

 

[warrkat]

So in other words, Brad didn't know it was going to happen until after it was over and he had to turn the children over to Nancy's family? That's the impression I got from what I heard on Fox today.

Haven't seen any news today, but that was my understanding of what happened.

 

[Blink34]

thank you that confirms what I heard earlier today! Now the question will be what he does on the 25th.

If he's not in jail, he'll fight- Hard. His family will finally surface and they will back him 1000%. The key to this is the transcript at the ex parte hearing in chamber- LE testified, they do not remove children from parents who have not been charged, to the care of grandparents to allow them to leave the US, well, that I have found, ever.. If anyone knows the Prothonotary there, request a copy, guessing it is sealed...