Nancy Cooper, 34, of Cary, N.C. #8

[Just the Fax]

jtf!!! I asked and you came!! Was it you about the grand jury post I can't find??

The Cary Police present their felony cases to the Wake County Grand Jury every other Monday for indictment.

The schedule is:

7-28-08
8-11-08
8-25-08

Looks like the earliest we will see an arrest is Monday evening, 7-28-08.

 

[curiositycat]

jtf!!! I asked and you came!! Was it you about the grand jury post I can't find??

Not me, but I read it, also.

 

[mahmoo]

Attorney:

"He is not a suspect, he is not a person of interest and he has been very, very clear with the police - he did not kill his wife," Blum said."

Yea right Seth :clap:
You know your client is the A #1 suspect (just not named) and he DID kill his wife.

And I'm sure he'll have a perfectly logical explanation as to why he was purchasing some type of cleanser at 4 o'clock in the morning.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Hello RKAB.... you weren't one of the ex's I was referring to but I think you started dating Brad a little after me and him lived together, and we have some mutual friends, at least if the "R" in your username represents your first name!

Your description pretty closely describes what the others have said to me in the last week.

Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat!

Welcome back, Calgary! Have your ears been burning? (Or fingers I guess in this case. LOL) We have replayed some of your words time and again. You are quite accurate on his description.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That is called "lawyering up 101 speak" :bang:

Can a lawyer know for a fact a client is guilty (ie. I did kill that man.) and represent him as innocent? I thought they had to ease around that whole "honesty" issue and pretend the elephant did not exist so they could do the circus of a defense strategy. Am I mistaken on this?

 

[Blink34]

The Cary Police present their felony cases to the Wake County Grand Jury every other Monday for indictment.

The schedule is:

7-28-08
8-11-08
8-25-08

Looks like the earliest we will see an arrest is Monday evening, 7-28-08.

Thanks JTF!! Glad Im not crazy- today anyway.. ARe you sure that they present felony cases exclusively as opposed to a standard arrest warrant and DA filing and can you provide the source of reference- I have truly never heard of that before..

 

[strach304]

I mentioned on this morning also that on Fox this morning one of the producers who is in Cary told Jaimie Colby that the police might have be looking at more then one person.

Yes you did, page 5. I took it to mean a separate suspect rather than an accomplice. I don't know about you guys but I sure would like to know all I can about that. Maybe there is a SO in the area and evidence of a sexual assault. Possibly another person with motive also.

 

[Blink34]

Can a lawyer know for a fact a client is guilty (ie. I did kill that man.) and represent him as innocent? I thought they had to ease around that whole "honesty" issue and pretend the elephant did not exist so they could do the circus of a defense strategy. Am I mistaken on this?

No, your correct. I believe the term without looking at my LSAT notes is "direct admission of guilt.." If you tell your lawyer you are guilty of what you are being accused of, he cannot and would never- malpractice and possible disbarment. Their initial consult usually weaves the tale from the Client in an effort to avoid that.

 

[Snowlover77]

Can a lawyer know for a fact a client is guilty (ie. I did kill that man.) and represent him as innocent? I thought they had to ease around that whole "honesty" issue and pretend the elephant did not exist so they could do the circus of a defense strategy. Am I mistaken on this?

I am not 100% sure they can know for a fact that their client is guilty but I would think that they can..after all, it is the prosecutor who HAS to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It is the defense's job just to raise reasonable doubt in just one juror.

 

[Just the Fax]

Thanks JTF!! Glad Im not crazy- today anyway.. ARe you sure that they present felony cases exclusively as opposed to a standard arrest warrant and DA filing and can you provide the source of reference- I have truly never heard of that before..

Yep.
In Wake County NC, (I live in Raleigh...Cary is 5 miles and in Wake County), the GJ meets on Monday and Tuesday, every other week....RPD and area city police on Monday and WCSO on Tuesday.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/artic...359/-1/news38&title=Grand_jury_system_debated

 

[Blink34]

Yep.
In Wake County NC, (I live in Raleigh), the GJ meets on Monday and Tuesday, every other week....RPD and area city police on Monday and WCSO on Tuesday.

http://www.starnewsonline.com/artic...359/-1/news38&title=Grand_jury_system_debated

Im sure your right about the scheduling, but I am asking about the fact of whether they exclusively present felony cases via GD- that is unheard of that I am aware. Thanks for the help in clarifying!

 

[jilly]

Jilly said: (on a now closed thread)

Wonder how he will respond on the 25th?

Lol - I was just breezing through trying to catch up and I see - Jilly said... and I'm uhoh what did I say now? I'm so happy to hear that everything worked in your favor and that you went on to adopt. I think your grandchild is very lucky to have you!

Hard to say what will happen on the 25th. I have a feeling he will contest it but then again, he may enter into a Consent Agreement of some sort. I believe it was Calgary123 that said Brad avoids confrontation and would walk a mile around it (or words to that effect).

 

[panthera]

Yes you did, page 5. I took it to mean a separate suspect rather than an accomplice. I don't know about you guys but I sure would like to know all I can about that. Maybe there is a SO in the area and evidence of a sexual assault. Possibly another person with motive also.

I do remember words like "partially clothed" being used to describe Nancy after she was found. This didn't seem to make sense since a t-shirt, shorts, shoes & socks would be called running clothes, imo. So, maybe it is someone else besides Brad, but why would LE say this wasn't a random incident and the public didn't have to worry?

 

[Snowlover77]

No, your correct. I believe the term without looking at my LSAT notes is "direct admission of guilt.." If you tell your lawyer you are guilty of what you are being accused of, he cannot and would never- malpractice and possible disbarment. Their initial consult usually weaves the tale from the Client in an effort to avoid that.

What about attorney-client privilege?

 

[Just the Fax]

Im sure your right about the scheduling, but I am asking about the fact of whether they exclusively present felony cases via GD- that is unheard of that I am aware. Thanks for the help in clarifying!

Only felony indictments in NC are initiated by a grand jury.

 

[Blink34]

Only felony indictments in NC are initiated by a grand jury.

Ok, thanks, but it is not mandatory, correct? The DA makes the call as to whether to seek indictment or standard filing of charges and arrest warrant, right?
ie: I kill 3 people at the piggly wiggly on Sat, I'm a free person until the GD conveins?

 

[Blink34]

What about attorney-client privilege?

They do not have to disclose the reason for refusing to take a case or for removing oneself- conflict in the representation compromises ability to defend client, the end. He can never be forced to testify except in the event the "client" advises of an act he "will" be doing the atty knows is a danger.. paraphrasing

 

[Just the Fax]

Ok, thanks, but it is not mandatory, correct? The DA makes the call as to whether to seek indictment or standard filing of charges and arrest warrant, right?
ie: I kill 3 people at the piggly wiggly on Sat, I'm a free person until the GD conveins?

The cops can make an arrest anytime.
They can get a GJ indictment after the fact.

However, in this case, they will get the GJ indictment first , imo.

 

[Blink34]

The cops can make an arrest anytime.
They can get a GJ indictment after the fact.

However, in this case, they will get the GJ indictment first , imo.

Actually no, they have to provide a prob cause warrant for the arrest, filed through the DA, the DA decides or "signs off (actually collaborates with LE as to the specific charges) " for an arrest or to seek GJ indictment. I think it is fair to say it is not very common to wait for a GJ indictment in a capital murder case, by the time they are seeking it, it is usually due to the fact that the case is not that strong for prosectuion, OR to subpoena someone that is refusing to cooperate or a hostile witness, etc.. to name a few reasons. Also GJ testimony is SEALED, as opposed to open court. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your post, I appreciate it.

 

[Just the Fax]

Actually no, they have to provide a prob cause warrant for the arrest, filed through the DA, the DA decides or "signs off (actually collaborates with LE as to the specific charges) " for an arrest or to seek GJ indictment. I think it is fair to say it is not very common to wait for a GJ indictment in a capital murder case, by the time they are seeking it, it is usually due to the fact that the case is not that strong for prosectuion, OR to subpoena someone that is refusing to cooperate or a hostile witness, etc.. to name a few reasons. Also GJ testimony is SEALED, as opposed to open court. Thanks for taking the time to clarify your post, I appreciate it.

Actually, why are you arguing Blink ?

As I said, NC, uses the GJ for felony indictments.

That is a fact.