Nancy Grace - 11/7/08 Friday

[Chezhire]

I do think that CA did keep a lot from GA.

Me too. They seemed to not have alot of respect for him in the family.

Or was it simply that he had intended to leave Cindy in 2005, so everyone regarded him as someone who might just leave, ergo they didn't feel he was committed to the family? (Not that I agree of course - I can tell he's committed to his family - he's in an enormous amount of pain over his family...)

 

[RR0004]

I agree, I think they knew with the incident with the pool ladder as well as the food that KC took that she had been stopping by while they were at work.

Ok...so the pool ladder is outside...wouldn't the 2 of them also have been inside as well? It seems like in George's interview he really can't narrow down the date. Why do I remember him being more specific somewhere else? Greta?

 

[Chezhire]

Yes, that was exactly what I thought was implied...but even though the parents may have spoken to Casey, I don't think they knew exactly where she was staying...they actually thought she was in Jacksonville on or around July 15th (if you can believe anything!).

Re: the bolded part - funny you should say that, b/c I remind myself of it every time I'm developing a theory. Any comment could be a lie... it's like a chess game.

 

[Pondering Mind]

I remember, "we just found our daughter today...".

Don't know if it helps at all, but that is what Cindy said on the 1st? 911 call IIRC.

 

[cyberborg]

I remember, "we just found our daughter today...".

That's from one of the 911 calls, I can remember CA saying it when I first heard about Caylee missing.

 

[DotsEyes]

Here is what they were thinking.

My "spirited" daughter has not spent a night at home in 30 days. During that time, she has kept in contact with us via cell phone and text messages but has not once allowed us, or her brother, talk to or see Caylee. She has been in the home when we were not home and taken some of her things, but none of Caylee's. She has broken into the shed and stolen gasoline, stolen from, or at least tried to steal from, Grandpa's account. Only one of us has seen her in the last 30 days and that was when she was caught with the stolen gas cans. She has made an appointment with CA to meet and see Caylee, but didn't show up.

We locate her car and as we approach, it smells of a decomposed body and Caylee's favorite doll, her car seat and some unused diapers are inside.

Even they can do the math and think "oh God, please don't let this be what it looks like, let there be some reasonable explanation for all of this."

You know that GA would not even mention seeing a stain that had been there a long time. He cleaned the car. So, the stain was new. Apparently someone tried to clean it with Arm and Hammer (probably taken from mom's pantry) didn't do the trick. The stain and the odor were still there.

GA first thought he would just drive it home, then decided to look in the trunk before he started the engine. His worst fears were not true, Caylee was not inside the trunk. But he also knew that someone HAD been there.

Neither of them believe that this could have happened in their family. I do not think that them being able to discern the smell of decomp made them think that KC had murdered Caylee.

 

[RR0004]

Or was it simply that he had intended to leave Cindy in 2005, so everyone regarded him as someone who might just leave, ergo they didn't feel he was committed to the family? (Not that I agree of course - I can tell he's committed to his family - he's in an enormous amount of pain over his family...)

It could be a little bit of both. I had a couple of wicked sisters (one in particular), and I know my mom kept most of their cr*p from my father...including them getting into financial messes. It was difficult witnessing it as a sibling. In that respect, I feel for Lee.

 

[RR0004]

that's from one of the 911 calls, i can remember ca saying it when i first heard about caylee missing.

thank you!! :blowkiss:

 

[RR0004]

Don't know if it helps at all, but that is what Cindy said on the 1st? 911 call IIRC.

...so we have proof..of what I'm no longer sure.

Thanks!!

 

[Chezhire]

Yes it does.....Why on earth would they be digging up there back yard looking for Caylee if Casey had told them that she was with the Nanny.

I'm convinced that the Anthony's know more than their saying

well, we know they knew she lied about her money and income, as she stole form them and lied about deposits, etc.
and we know she spoke to them for however long it really was that they didn't see her, but she wouldn't tell them where she was or take Caylee to see them
SO, doesn't seem too weird to me that they were worried about the worst, since their daughter had no money, therefore couldn't afford the mystery nanny/realy child care, and they hadn't seen caylee in weeks. I'd have been worried too, even if I didn't know more than what I just typed.

 

[Pondering Mind]

...so we have proof..of what I'm no longer sure.

Thanks!!

LOL, me neither, except that this whole case is turning my brain to mush.

 

[PattyCake]

I give up on figuring out where my question belongs.

Wondering why NO ONE has visited KC in jail, especially the ones that most support her like CA??? Does she have no time for her daughter she loves dearly and KNOWS is innocent? WTH?

 

[JBean]

I give up on figuring out where my question belongs.

Wondering why NO ONE has visited KC in jail, especially the ones that most support her like CA??? Does she have no time for her daughter she loves dearly and KNOWS is innocent? WTH?

You might want to look in the thread about jail visitors? If you do a search in this forum in titles and use the keyword visitor or visitors it'll probably pop right up.

 

[EasyGruuvin]

My interpretation from the interview was Casey pocketed money she was suppose to put into G/C's account, came up with a pretty decent deposit slip, and then when confronted that the money wasn't there broke down and cried about how she had been robbed at gunpoint and was too scared to tell them their money was gone.

Right but then I think I heard GA say that she told him she paid her attorney a down of 1400 or so from that money. Did I hear wrong? Then he said he didnt really believe she ever had any money.

 

[Lanie]

Thanks for the link. I reread and it is hard to say for sure what GA may have said to Simon exactly. He uses both haven't seen and missing. He does say that GA says that his daughter has been lying.

I don't know if this is where I got what I said or not. I would not have interpreted what Simon said that way.

I know that I read somewhere that GA said that they had found KC but that Caylee was missing but maybe it was just something that someone of the board said.

Oh well, even perfect people are wrong sometimes.....j/k.

does anyone else remember it the way that I do that GA said they had found KC but that either Caylee was missing or that hadn't see her?

IIRC, the secretary at the towyard was out taking a smoke break and said she overheard George say this to Simon.
It seems I debated this same thing in a thread some time back.
Lanie

 

[100%Agave]

Ok, so this is all CA's fault?...
People have been raised by all kinds of people, many on this site, and they don't go killing their own children and then walk away and go party. Even when CA pulls her out of TL's house, and brings her home, calls 911? CA has tried.
Casey is responsible for Casey's actions. She is an adult, and as GA says, "She's an adult, I have no control over her." This is an accurate statement. They were stuck between a rock and a hard place. Confront, and she leaves with Caylee, which is what she finally did. Why? Because CA couldn't let the stealing from her own parents go? Confronting KC always brought more trouble. She was uncontrollable. I wish everyone would stop blaming everyone else, including her parents for her behavior.

I don't believe that it is all CA's fault. Parents only have so much control and as you say KC was an adult. However, it sounds to me as if they knew that she lied and stole money long before Caylee went missing and it does not appear that they tried to do much about it while they were still able to. That is before she became an adult.

On the other hand, even though she was an adult, she was living under her parents roof and so they had the right to hold her to their rules while she did. Not to mention that she acted like a spoiled child and was treated like a child a lot.

Well I got lost and missed my point completely. the point is, when you are parents you have to present a united front with the kids during praise or punishment. It sounds like they did not do that. KC learned that she could get away with a slap on the wrist from her mom. She learned that her mom would defend her against her father and that she would gloss over anything that she did wrong. She most likely was the cause of many arguments between CA and GA because one wanted to make her take responsibility for what she did wrong and the other just wanted to pretend that it didn't happen.

Sometimes your child turns out bad no matter what you do or do not do but I think that how she was raised and how they reacted to her bad acts is relevant to a discussion of her actions and how she is.

You wish that everyone would stop blaming her parents for her behavior, I wish that everyone would stop ignoring the behavior of her parents but I don't go around telling them that. There is grief and denial and then there is spitefulness, cover-ups, and lying. Each of us sees something different in the A's behavior. It remains to be seen which of us ends up being right but I have a right to voice my opinion just like you.

 

[Chezhire]

I have been guilty of this.

I had an ex that cheated.

If you have ever lived in the same house with a person that is horrific when confronted sometimes playing along to keep the peace is easier than accepting the truth.

seems especially so if the innocent is not ready to leave the bad seed, thus what is to be gained by a confrontation: they won't change and theother person isn't ready to pack up and leave. very tough situation to be in.

 

[100%Agave]

IIRC, the secretary at the towyard was out taking a smoke break and said she overheard George say this to Simon.
It seems I debated this same thing in a thread some time back.
Lanie

Thank you. I knew that I got this from some where. I don't usually just pull stuff out of my butt.

I assume this is in an interview. I think that I will run over to the docs and see if I can find any thing.

 

[zoey]

I give up on figuring out where my question belongs.

Wondering why NO ONE has visited KC in jail, especially the ones that most support her like CA??? Does she have no time for her daughter she loves dearly and KNOWS is innocent? WTH?

last heard---they were staying away to keep the focus on Caylee (per KC request--remember she is in line for mother of the year :furious

 

[shergal]

Exactly. When Simon relates what George says, the word missing is NOT used. George did not say Caylee was missing, he said Casey wouldn't let him see her. Only Simon used the word missing, after seeing on TV that Caylee was missing. Nothing is said at all about Casey being 'found'.

Further down in that interview (pg. 809 and 810 of SB interview): http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564882.pdf
SB talks about how both CA and GA were talking about their granddaughter being missing - and that was before he had heard about the case on TV.

It wasn't until later that night after the Anthony's had picked up the car that SB first heard his men were called to tow the same car to the crime lab. And it was 6 am the next morning when he finally heard about the case on the news, that is when he realized "they were talking the whole time that their granddaughter was missing, or they haven't seen her" (line 3 pg. 810) and then SB "put it all together" (line 19, pg. 810).