Nancy Grace - Friday 11/14/08 (Anthony's Cancelled.)

[Sammi99]

No offense, but I believe TM put that hope on his own shoulders.

Did you feel like you were promised a search that guaranteed Caylee's remains would be found? I never got the sense that there were any guarantees, I hoped for the best and I feel extremely sad that Caylee is still out there somewhere and we can't find her but it's not the fault of TM. I guess I had realistic expectations and therefore I don't need to take my disappointment out on TM. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It makes all disappointments in life a little easier to take.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

She did. She told the police that after waiting in vain outside the empty apt at Sawgrass, she went to Blanchard Park and then a couple of stores looking for ZFG. By 7pm she was "frantic" and needed to go to a 'neutral place', so she went over to her boyfriend Tony's place.

An hour later they were in Blockbuster renting movies, so he must have been able to calm her down right quick.

Yep, and which movies did she rent? One about kidnappers and another about a woman finding a body in her trunk.

And this is just hours after her daughter was "taken". FGS!!!!

 

[maur33]

Boo Hoo TM. Save it crybaby.

I am more interested now in finding this "Neutral Place". Maybe Cocoamom is on to something.

What is with all the sad, defeated, crying gestures of TM? Now I am not taking anything away from this man who has surely given peace to many families by looking for and finding their loved ones. But honestly who cares if this man is sad or crying, and not for nothing if I had a missing family member the last thing I want to see in someone who is there to help me is depression.

Why do people always talk about how sad he looks or how upset he looks, why is his affect so important? I am sure the sheer fact that he looks for people period is enough to believe that he cares about finding the person he is looking for. Just had to get this off my chest because it irritates me, thanks for listening.

 

[MD MOMMY]

Ya know I long wondered about that. How did she manage to take care of a child (that is before she seemingly lost her)? She definitely sounds manic.

I can say with 100% certainty on my part that I could not and would not want to care for my kiddos on 3 hours of sleep a night..no way, no how.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

That's an excellent observation. I understand LP's logic in thinking that she was giving clues to find Caylee in JBP as well as thinking that if she was found there, it goes along with her story of ZG taking her in the park. But KC could also have been trying to lure LE away from someplace like Lake Underhill.

Given that her affect is generally flat, any emotion she shows would be indicative of something important.

I did research on the area a few days ago, using Google Earth, looking for 4.5 miles from the Anthony's residence, WNW or ESE. Sure enough, when I did WNW, it fell not far from Lake Underhill (just south of it) and some other lakes and parks, can't remember the names just now. Interestingly, Sawgrass Apts. is just a hop away.

Edited to add:

The park was Demetree Park, with Lakes Giles and Arnold are also nearby, as is Lake Underhill, which coincidentally falls directly under Hwy 408 (Holland E W Expressway, which is a toll road). And it's not all that far from Goldenrod and 50 where her car was found at Amscot.

 

[panthera]

No...we did...in believing that a person is all-knowing. I don't people quite realize how little this team has to go on. The area where they're looking is vast. It truly is like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I've made that comparison too. Really all they do have to go by is cell phone pings and where she might have put Caylee. And, after 5 months, what is left of Caylee to be found? Maybe she was put at one of the places they're searching but they just can't find her? And nobody from the family is cooperating either. I don't blame TM for moving to other searches. MOO

 

[MD MOMMY]

Did you feel like you were promised a search that guaranteed Caylee's remains would be found? I never got the sense that there were any guarantees, I hoped for the best and I feel extremely sad that Caylee is still out there somewhere and we can't find her but it's not the fault of TM. I guess I had realistic expectations and therefore I don't need to take my disappointment out on TM. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It makes all disappointments in life a little easier to take.

You are correct we were never given guarantees. I however tend to take someones word when they say one thing and get upset when they do another. I'm not just talking about the people in this case, I'm speaking generally. TM had big shoes to fill and IMO he hasn't come close yet. JMO. I still respect what he does and what he has done in other cases however I am disappointed at the moment, mainly in his demeanor.

 

[Jay D]

Am I the last person to hear JB brought Dr.Lee in ????

I too was intrigued by the mention of Dr. Lee. I thought Kobi was the man. Neither Kobi or Dr. Lee come cheap. Where is all the money coming from?

 

[ThoughtElf]

I can attest that vasectomies don't always work; my husband had one done five years before I met him and we now have a 13 year-old son.

Congrats!

Bet you have no regrets at all that it worked out this way.

 

[panthera]

Yep, and which movies did she rent? One about kidnappers and another about a woman finding a body in her trunk.

And this is just hours after her daughter was "taken". FGS!!!!

What mother who had just had her daughter taken without her permission by the nanny would even be thinking about watching movies with her boyfriend, let alone movies with parallels to what had supposedly just happened in real life a few hours earlier? As I've said many times before, her own behavior speaks volumes that she is the one who is responsible for Caylee being gone and it was no accident. MOO

 

[TimeWillTell]

Ditto. Then I thought of something else.

I wonder if we were thinking the same "something else"? :waitasec:

 

[Sammi99]

You are correct we were never given guarantees. I however tend to take someones word when they say one thing and get upset when they do another. I'm not just talking about the people in this case, I'm speaking generally. TM had big shoes to fill and IMO he hasn't come close yet. JMO. I still respect what he does and what he has done in other cases however I am disappointed at the moment, mainly in his demeanor.

I understand MD Mommy everyone's emotions are very raw. Are you upset by TM's criticism of LP or of not being able to bring the closure we all seek?

 

[aprilshowers]

Now don't go and throw tomatoes at me, but IF TM took a drink or two to unwind, it very often makes you very emotional, and many times you want to talk ... confess, etc.

I know ... I lived with an alcoholic for 13 years!

One other very sad thought I had tonight, watching Caylee with her grandpa. He was the last one to kiss her. How horribly sad!

 

[Coley]

Did you feel like you were promised a search that guaranteed Caylee's remains would be found? I never got the sense that there were any guarantees, I hoped for the best and I feel extremely sad that Caylee is still out there somewhere and we can't find her but it's not the fault of TM. I guess I had realistic expectations and therefore I don't need to take my disappointment out on TM. Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. It makes all disappointments in life a little easier to take.

I wouldn't say promised but when you look into the eyes of that man who has helped SO many people and he says HE WILL FIND CAYLEE but doesn't stay long enough to then this is where people get a little frustrated.

 

[LeLe1953]

Wow, I'm sensing that a lot of folks are really upset with TM. I donated to TES and I have no regrets. TM has helped many people in their darkest hour. He has been elevated to superhero status and nobody can ever live up to that. He is human and he is not perfect. He can never please everyone. If you were him would continue searching for a person that is known to be deceased or would you go up to NC and possibly find missing people that might still be alive? I believe he will be back and there is already a task force set up in Orlando. Don't let the A's and MN win and turn us against him.

:clap: Great post. Tim Miller & TES have searched quietly for many years. Rarely have we ever seen any media at a search. Why, because he doesn't seek it out & want's the search to run as well as it can. I think you also want to be sure volunteers come out for the RIGHT reasosn, the search.

I understand Orlando didn't run as smooth as it could have. How many fires do you suppose they might have been putting out before it even began? How many other things distracted from the focus? If we don't see why the media shouldnt be all over the search from this, we will never understand it.

And do I care how many drinks, if at all, someone had before the search? NO. These people give of their time, talent, are away weeks at a time from spouses, children. They go in the muck & teach us how to do the same. They do the best they can. If not for TES, how much searching would have been done for Caylee? All of you who went out there, some more than once, you know how hard this search was. What if you did this day after day, week after week?

I am very angry. Tim, TES & all those who searched their hearts out are being picked apart. This is about CAYLEE. There is a core group in Orlando. Not only will they be able to continue to search for Caylee, they will be ready with boots already on the ground the next time someone is missing in that area.

We have a woman in her 40's, diabetic, mentally ill, who wandered away from a group home in Sept. She, like Caylee, deserves to be found. THIS search is near to MY heart because I have an adopted, 31 yr old son who suffers from fetal alochol syndrome. A couple yrs ago he wanted to live on his own, like every other adult. After a lot of research we thought we had found a wonderful group home. NOT. He stayed almost a year & we brought him home. That could have been my son who wondered away. I have spent 31 years working my heart out in NC to make things better for our handicapped population. Searching for Mouy is just one more way. She may not be a beautiful little girl who has tugged at our heart strings, or gotten national coverage, but she is someones daughter & her life mattered. I for one, am VERY PROUD to join a search group tomorrow for her. And I thank God TES has come to help find her, if she can be found. If Mouy is never found, her parents will know a lot of people cared.

PLEASE stop making Tim & TES out to be monsters, they aren't.

 

[MD MOMMY]

I understand MD Mommy everyone's emotions are very raw. Are you upset by TM's criticism of LP or of not being able to bring the closure we all seek?

I really thought TM was above mud slinging and playing dirty. I'm not about to guess if what he says about LP is true or not. For all I know it could be, but seriously what good does it do anyone to bring it up? I just feel it was not needed and he lost his focus which is Caylee. I know nobody is perfect and I never thought TM was a superhero nor do I do now.

I'm also upset that TM's comments were so GRAND about him staying until he brought Caylee home. I just think he said things that he couldn't follow through with. He's been searching for missing people for how long? He knows other people want and would eventually want his help. I just think he made false promises and got himself wrapped up in the hype instead of being realistic.

I do think what he does is fantastic, but honestly I think he should stick to doing what he does best. IMO, his downfall was being so far in the public eye and IMO it did not suit him well.

 

[MommaD]

I did research on the area a few days ago, using Google Earth, looking for 4.5 miles from the Anthony's residence, WNW or ESE. Sure enough, when I did WNW, it fell not far from Lake Underhill (just south of it) and some other lakes and a park, can't remember the names just now. Interestingly, Sawgrass Apts. is just a hop away.

aksleuth i made maps for soulscape back a few threads in amatuer astrology.. long time ago. we chose this area.. way before pings etcc. she came up with it and i did maps for her.. i have never felt tho jbp was the area. never.... just those to areas since i have been following case and i go right to maps i am the type person has to see something. and maps is it for me in a case.. the areas..

also she is close as kc said.. so could that be close to her and her knight in shining armour..???? remember at this time she is talking to lee and friends,family she is wanting tonE's phone number.. she has no clue in her sick azzzz mind that tonE's is no stupid enough to fall for her lies anymore..

 

[LeLe1953]

I really thought TM was above mud slinging and playing dirty. I'm not about to guess if what he says about LP is true or not. For all I know it could be, but seriously what good does it do anyone to bring it up? I just feel it was not needed and he lost his focus which is Caylee. I know nobody is perfect and I never thought TM was a superhero nor do I do now.

I'm also upset that TM's comments were so GRAND about him staying until he brought Caylee home. I just think he said things that he couldn't follow through with. He's been searching for missing people for how long? He knows other people want and would eventually want his help. I just think he made false promises and got himself wrapped up in the hype instead of being realistic.

I do think what he does is fantastic, but honestly I think he should stick to doing what he does best. IMO, his downfall was being so far in the public eye and IMO it did not suit him well.

But he hasn't gone back on his word. He has a core team in Orlando searching.

 

[LEFT-COASTER]

Hi there all.. Im a long time lurker, first time posting..
I live on the west coast (california).
My thoughts on TM and what kinda bugged me.. is that before the search He was talking about how long they were gonna be there etc.. and He basically pulled out early.. and some searches have commented on not all the areas were searched..
I do respect what TM does as a whole.. but the whole search thing this last weekend bothers me.

 

[Sammi99]

I wouldn't say promised but when you look into the eyes of that man who has helped SO many people and he says HE WILL FIND CAYLEE but doesn't stay long enough to then this is where people get a little frustrated.

Like I posted before I understand the disappointment we all felt this weekend and into the week but this is a very unique situation that TM finds himself in. A situation where the grandparents/parents don't want the child found. I think it's getting to him that there are families who still hold out hope that their loved one might be found alive and he is turning them down to search for someone who only has remains to be found. I believe that he still is committed to finding her but this case does not exist in a vacuum. He has many factors that he is weighing simultaneously and knows that he will not be able to make everyone happy. It just hurts to see people turn on a man who is only human and can never live up to all the expectations put on him.