Nancy Grace Monday 12/8/2008

[Jolynna]

Okay, so I get that, they explain away the hot body pictures from Fusian with a bipolar defense.

How do they explain:

She killed her kid?
She tossed her in the trunk, possibly for a few days?
She disposed of the body somewhere?
She never called the police?
She didn't mention it to friends or family?

And if the partying, acting like a , and stealing from everyone around her is a manic cycle she has been in it for a least a few years now.

Exactly.

Whatever problems Casey had, she was able to get/make chloroform, use it, put makeup on, comb her hair and change clothes to look pretty for her trip with Tony to Blockbuster.

Then she was able to notice the smell and hide the body.

And make up a whole bunch of ZFG stories.

Obviously Casey knew right from wrong and to hide and lie about what she had done. She doesn't have a mental defense, IMO.

 

[trac]

Well guys, I took cold medicine and I'm typing gibberish then erasing LOL I'll bid everyone good night and see you tomorrow - each morning I check in to hopefully see in bold caps a new thread - Caylee found! or Casey confesses!

One can only hope

Have a nice night (we are expecting snow tonight so I'm guessing snow day for school tomorrow)

 

[robotdog]

the defense is in big trouble

 

[Lanie]

I am not sure about the bipolar disorder thing. Is there anyone here with experience? Did her reaction after Caylee went missing seem to be bipolar? What about her actions before Caylee disappeared? Was she bipolar then too?

Bipolar has been my opinion since day 31.
I have some (IMO WAY TOO MUCH) experience with this. Obviously, we haven't gone through a situation like this, but when my child was really out there, it wasn't much for her to slip from 'giddy, bouncing off the walls' to full-blown rage, and this could be directed at anyone, not just family.
IMO, all the partying, etc., had little to nothing to do with manic stage of bipolar.
Lanie

 

[jennyb]

Anyway, my point is I don't care what day JG said he heard the "get off the table". He didn't SEE Caylee on the table and KC is quite capable of tricking him for her own purposes. We tend to *assume* certain things when we know the players. Piece of cake... she's done worse.

 

[elementary]

Originally Posted by DotsEyes
She was still manic in the tapes but that was a long time ago. The crying and giggling had nothing to do with guilt, it is her just beginning to crash. She was sliding down the other side of her manic peak. Remember we have no idea whether she has hit a depression or not, no one has video taped her in months. She has a couple of shrinks to talk to and who can medicate her for her bi-polar problems, if she wishes. Believe me, if she is bi-polar, the shrinks caught it right away. It does not matter in the long run, she is not criminally insane and I do not think that this lawyer brought it up as a tip on what defense to expect.

Well, with the crying and giggling, I guess that might make a lot of people bipolar. In the perp's case one might just as easily argue that she's putting on a show of being their little girl because it's always an effective manipulation. She kept wiping her eyes when there were no tears until she finally managed some (for herself). She does "parents' little girl" really well; "noble and suffering martyr"- not so much.

I do agree that bipolar is no defense and I don't think this was a clue to her defense at trial.

 

[impatientredhead]

The DP lawyer for the perp says that they argued bipolar as "mitigating circumstances". This is what I don't get- it sounds as if he is saying their argument was successful and that's why DP is no longer an option. Is this really why the DA dropped the death penalty? Because if it is, the prosecution has accepted that the perp has bipolar and for argument's sake, wouldn't that be a slippery slope? What am I missing?

The prosecutors don't have to state a reason for not pursuing the DP. It sounds to me like this guy is patting himself on the back for a success that may or may not have anything to do with him.

At the end of the day the odds of a young pretty mother getting executed in a case with no body are just not on the DAs side. They don't want to pursue and not get it, it makes them look ineffective. And DP cases are very expensive for the state to put on.

They are not acknowledging or accepting any of the arguements made by her attorney to keep her off death row. Whether it influenced their decision, it is too early to tell.

 

[azwriter]

OMG....bipolar disorder mentioned by Casey's attorney

Guess I'm going to have to change my illness. If Casey's bipolar, I don't want to be that too. She's a LiePolar.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Oh I know - I can go by the famous Britney Spears and her bi-polar saga through the media - ALL people that came in contact with her said how extreme she was - how manic she was - both in extreme highs and extreme lows - the press and paparazzi unfortunately recorded the whole thing - we saw her crying and downright depressed - we saw her angry - we saw her extremely high and giggly - we saw running around at all hours, drinking, partying -

I understand not all bi-polars are the same BUT lets look at Casey - NO one has said she was manic - she acted normal, like everyone else - her parents have said nothing about any personality disorders except for being a sociopath - her boyfriends don't say she was manic or extreme

I just don't see bi-polar -I see someone who has self esteem issues - she lied to make herself look better to others, she stole money because she always thought she was too good for any job - she became mirrors of her boyfriends - Jesse, religious and straight laced - Tony, parties, bars - then JB, yes Baez, she was arrested looking like a paralegal

Casey I don't think is bi-polar - Casey has self esteem issues - since she doesn't think she's good enough - she lies and becomes someone else to look better to others

Being a mother as too real and too hard - and she couldn't hide 'herself' from Caylee

All my opinion

Very good opinion. I do not think Bipolar. I think lazy, spoiled, 23 year old raised by a domineering, controlling, enabling mother. Neither of which can tell the truth to save their lives or the body of their missing child, Caylee. They are both vile and disgusting and should be ashamed but again neither has any shame. There is no disease of the mind or the brain other than pure ole unadulterated selfishness from both CA and KC. I hope and pray the jury will see past all the smoke and mirrors.

 

[jennyb]

I think if the defense is going with this bi-polar thing they're waaay behind the times. Maybe in the 60's when it was not common knowledge it could've been considered this SCARY homicidal trait. But people are more sophisticated today and most of the public has a friend or family member or co-worker who's been diagnosed with this disorder. Or they've read about it. It's not something that's going to sway a jury, IMO.

 

[jennyb]

Very good opinion. I do not think Bipolar. I think lazy, spoiled, 23 year old raised by a domineering, controlling, enabling mother. Neither of which can tell the truth to save their lives or the body of their missing child, Caylee. They are both vile and disgusting and should be ashamed but again neither has any shame. There is no disease of the mind or the brain other than pure ole unadulterated selfishness from both CA and KC. I hope and pray the jury will see past all the smoke and mirrors.

ITA. If you've been spoiled your whole life and suddenly you come upon a brick wall you're going to go into rage mode. I have no idea if she's bi-polar or not but I can see spoiled-polar being just as compelling.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

I don't think anyone is saying that defense will claim insanity. the defense will use bipolar to explain the eratic behavior and the lying, stealing, promiscuity, and partying. they will explain the forensics to "junk science"

JB could use this as his defense, but then the SA will bring out the photos of her with all her makeup on, not a hair out of place, smiling and hamming it up for the cameras,bumping and grinding on the pole and other girls, night after night. The jury will not but it. KC is having too good a time in those pictures and it shows. She is not disheveled in any way shape or form. There is no distraught picture in the bunch. How many Bipolar folks use coupons on their maniac shopping sprees? How many Bipolar folks look up chloroform, missing children,breaking necks, on their laptops prior to a kidnapping and then commencing into a maniac phase once the said child is in fact kidnapped by a phantom kidnapper? I mean, the SA will chew this defense up and spit it out.

 

[Paladine]

No, she is not displaying the behavior of someone in the manic phase of bipolar disorder. If that's the defense it'll never pass the scrutiny of any psychiatrist.

I am bipolar. Have been for over 20 years. I have 3 friends who are the same, and counseled others with the disorder. I would never, at my worst, not report my child missing for 31 days, or shop for beer and undies after her disappearance/death. I see no similarities, myself. She is too cunning, manic is very unorganized thought...

 

[azwriter]

Can't trust the jail psychologist...can't trust her friends...can't trust anyine but JB.

Also when it comes to trust, Casey is asking that someone beside LE check out the sightings of Caylee. Or any tips. (ie the woman at the airport).
What is it with her, if she's innocent and someone did take her child, she would want LE to dig into every possible lead. If a live Caylee is found, she's off the hook. Instead she's insisting on having someone with no experience (she suggested Lee do it) follow up on leads or evidence. Casey, Casey, Casey, you're showing your guilt when you make such stupid requests. You want law enforcement officials to stay as far away from solving your daughter's disappearance as possible. Duh!
jmo

 

[jennyb]

Horrible people. The lot of them. G'night.

 

[Lanie]

defense strategy...psychology 101...she was so distraught due to her bipolar disorder she cannot remember who she gave caylee to. her lying, and eratic behavior are all part of her "coping mechanisms" to deal with Caylee's dispapperance. She is unable to accept that her daughter is gone!"

Great. So how are they going to explain Casey pulling Zanny out of her mostly empty head before Caylee was missing? Remember, George told FBI he asked Caylee about Zanny. Cindy clearly remembers in jail visitatiton Zanny is the one who gave Casey her straightener.
Let them go for it, they are going to prove pre-med for the state.
Lanie

 

[Oakley]

At best what they will end up with is a defense doc that says she has it and state doc that says she doesn't, and it will be up to the jury to decide if they are looking for a reason to dismiss/explain Casey's partying afterwards.

Most of this case will boil down to that, conflicting experts. If Casey had a better attorney it would concern me a bit, but it doesn't <smile>.

I personally don't buy this bipolar issue on any level. She was so manic she couldn't report the crime but was so rational she disposed of the body so efficiently that it hasn't been found. She dodged her bloodhound of a mother for a month, strong lie after lie after lie together, committed identity fraud, and her boyfriend never noticed a thing was wrong. Nope, not buying it, at all.

The bipolar defense may actually work against her in the long run. I just can't see a jury being sympathetic toward her given her actions (partying, stealing, lying etc.) bipolar or not.

What I found interesting on NG tonight was the clip of CA asking KC if she was speaking to a psychologist. KC says, yes, everday, that is who she was just speaking with. CA asks if she has opened up to the psychologist. KC replies no. CA responds "understood." KC clearly needs help with her pathological lying and CA knows it. It appears to me that CA was relieved that KC is not "opening up" to the psychologist. What is that all about?

 

[Oakley]

depression does not necessarily mean being in bed all day...alcohol abuse and drugs and lack of motivation to work are all signs of depression as well.

Oh Manatee, I saw those pix of KC partying away at Fusion. She was anything but depressed, lol!

 

[RR0004]

The prosecutors don't have to state a reason for not pursuing the DP. It sounds to me like this guy is patting himself on the back for a success that may or may not have anything to do with him.

At the end of the day the odds of a young pretty mother getting executed in a case with no body are just not on the DAs side. They don't want to pursue and not get it, it makes them look ineffective. And DP cases are very expensive for the state to put on.

They are not acknowledging or accepting any of the arguements made by her attorney to keep her off death row. Whether it influenced their decision, it is too early to tell.

But, can an attorney arguing against it (DP) just go in and say his client is bipolar without ANY proof? Clearly her behavior in light of her "losing" her child is not normal, but can that alone be taken as a mitigating circumstance without anything "official" to back it up? IMO anyone that takes the life of a child, or another human being for that matter, is not normal...so did he give proof as to this condition? I have to say, his comments were probably the most honest I've heard from the A camp to date. Not that I agree with the supposed assumption that she is bipolar, but at least he acknowledged in some shape or form that his client was "not all there".

 

[indicat]

Well guys, I took cold medicine and I'm typing gibberish then erasing LOL I'll bid everyone good night and see you tomorrow - each morning I check in to hopefully see in bold caps a new thread - Caylee found! or Casey confesses!

One can only hope

Have a nice night (we are expecting snow tonight so I'm guessing snow day for school tomorrow)

Goodnight trac! :blowkiss: