Nancy Grace - Monday, November 17, 2008

[100%Agave]

It's so difficult to remember details anymore, but I thought at one time it was said that the pizza came from some local pizza joint, and it was not Pizza Hut.

Could be....I don't remember any more. The pizza was just not something that I felt was that important to the case so I didn't follow it too much. I do remember the meat lover pizza being sent when KC got out of jail the first time. I would rather dig my eyeball out with a fork than to go back through the documents again.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

where are you reading this account from? I thought the LE interview transcripts actually said that Simon said flies came out of the trunk when he opened it, George says there were insects of some sort, and there was reference to a pizza box but neither of them say maggots or rotting pizza.... maybe I am confused, but what has been reported by the media has really morphed from the actual statements given on a lot of these issues

From the Orlando Sentinel:

July 15, Tuesday. The car found abandoned is picked up by the Anthony family from the wrecker company. Simon Birch, manager at the wrecker yard, noticed the stench coming from the vehicle both on June 30 when it was originally towed, and when he brought it up to George Anthony. They left and he picked up the car several hours later. One tow lot employee overheard him say something to the effect of his daughter wouldn't let him see his granddaughter, and the tow guy who went to the car with him was told his daughter HAD been missing but his granddaughter was still missing. They get to the car, and open it and tow guy says it smells horrible…met with TOTAL silence from George. They opened the trunk and flies flew out and they find a bag of trash with some pizza and some maggots, etc.; the bag is thrown into the front of a dumpster at the tow yard, by the tow guy BUT it WAS collected into evidence from there George sees the gas gauge is on empty and says, oh, I have gas in my car. The only time we hear of the car being out of gas is from Casey's statement that it was pushed into the lot because it was out of gas. He puts in gas and leaves. George said the smell of decomposition was so bad they drove home with all the windows open.

 

[MOMto5]

Could be....I don't remember any more. The pizza was just not something that I felt was that important to the case so I didn't follow it too much. I do remember the meat lover pizza being sent when KC got out of jail the first time. I would rather dig my eyeball out with a fork than to go back through the documents again.

I read somewhere on another forum that it was a Dominoe's meatzaria, same as pizza sent to the Anthony home.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

In the interview with John Morgan that I saw today, he explained that KC would have to be under oath and answer questions in the deposition. He said he would allow news cameras with him when he disposes her this week!

I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, but my brother is........and he said Baez counter suing in that case was the MOST STUPID thing he has ever seen a defense attorney do in all his years of practice.

 

[cyberborg]

It doesn't smell the same, no where close.

I would be willing to bet those boxes were empty. Probably those little kids TV dinners. Most likely little Caylee's last meal on this earth.

I don't for one minute think GA would have left those in that trunk. The man at the car impound threw the bag over the fence, and you know if there was food in those boxes they would have thrown them away too.

Bolded by me.

Yes, GA was choking on the smell driving the car home so anything and everything in the trunk that may cause the smell would have been tossed to try to eliminate it at the tow yard.

So it sounds like just that bag that was tossed. I think Lee was just trying to confuse by being very broad on items.

 

[impatientredhead]

From the Orlando Sentinel:

July 15, Tuesday. The car found abandoned is picked up by the Anthony family from the wrecker company. Simon Birch, manager at the wrecker yard, noticed the stench coming from the vehicle both on June 30 when it was originally towed, and when he brought it up to George Anthony. They left and he picked up the car several hours later. One tow lot employee overheard him say something to the effect of his daughter wouldn't let him see his granddaughter, and the tow guy who went to the car with him was told his daughter HAD been missing but his granddaughter was still missing. They get to the car, and open it and tow guy says it smells horrible…met with TOTAL silence from George. They opened the trunk and flies flew out and they find a bag of trash with some pizza and some maggots, etc.; the bag is thrown into the front of a dumpster at the tow yard, by the tow guy BUT it WAS collected into evidence from there George sees the gas gauge is on empty and says, oh, I have gas in my car. The only time we hear of the car being out of gas is from Casey's statement that it was pushed into the lot because it was out of gas. He puts in gas and leaves. George said the smell of decomposition was so bad they drove home with all the windows open.

Thank you for pulling that. It is different than the transcipts, slightly morphed.

 

[MOMto5]

I am not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV, but my brother is........and he said Baez counting suing in that case was the MOST STUPID thing he has ever seen a defense attorney do in all his years of practice.

Lol, that's pretty much what John Morgan thought from what I gathered from his interview.

ETA: that's also the kind of pizza WFTV used in their odor and maggot experiment.

 

[Chilly Willy]

From the Orlando Sentinel:

July 15, Tuesday. The car found abandoned is picked up by the Anthony family from the wrecker company. Simon Birch, manager at the wrecker yard, noticed the stench coming from the vehicle both on June 30 when it was originally towed, and when he brought it up to George Anthony. They left and he picked up the car several hours later. One tow lot employee overheard him say something to the effect of his daughter wouldn't let him see his granddaughter, and the tow guy who went to the car with him was told his daughter HAD been missing but his granddaughter was still missing. They get to the car, and open it and tow guy says it smells horrible…met with TOTAL silence from George. They opened the trunk and flies flew out and they find a bag of trash with some pizza and some maggots, etc.; the bag is thrown into the front of a dumpster at the tow yard, by the tow guy BUT it WAS collected into evidence from there George sees the gas gauge is on empty and says, oh, I have gas in my car. The only time we hear of the car being out of gas is from Casey's statement that it was pushed into the lot because it was out of gas. He puts in gas and leaves. George said the smell of decomposition was so bad they drove home with all the windows open.

NOW we know where all these rumors started - it was the Sentinel. You need to read Simon's actual statement to LE. He doesn't mention maggots, he doesn't mention Casey missing and then being found, he certainly doesn't say that George was totally silent.

 

[cyberborg]

I agree..considering he said cheese(which is on pizza) and meat(which could be on pizza) and ham(which could also be on a meatlovers pizza) It appeared to me he was referencing pizza. JMO.

Good point!!! If it looks like pizza and tastes like pizza then . . . it must be pizza!!!!! :banghead:

 

[LI_Mom]

I think that the charge emanated from CA as damage control, that's why LE is pi$$ed because they are investigating distractions now to discount A Team claims on LP intentions.

That's what I fully believe also.

LE isn't being distracted by ANY searchers... they are being distracted by the Anthonys creating SCENES at the searches they want to stop.

And of course, if the media is being used to report "ONE" Caylee siting tip PER search effort, I think it's safe to assume LE is being inundated with tips whenever the Anthonys start to get nervous.

The ONLY ones interfering with the investigation are the Anthonys who do NOT want the body found! The searchers are searching.... NOT pestering LE.

LE is in a tough place... they have to try their hardest to placate the grandparents of a murdered baby or it looks VERY bad in the community.

 

[DollyPardonMe]

NOW we know where all these rumors started - it was the Sentinel. You need to read Simon's actual statement to LE. He doesn't mention maggots, he doesn't mention Casey missing and then being found, he certainly doesn't say that George was totally silent.

Oh, Im out here in Cali. Is the Sentinel not very reliable?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

NOW we know where all these rumors started - it was the Sentinel. You need to read Simon's actual statement to LE. He doesn't mention maggots, he doesn't mention Casey missing and then being found, he certainly doesn't say that George was totally silent.

The first or second statement?

 

[cleo612]

I think Henry Lee was speaking about the contents of the bag that LE recovered from the tow yard dumpster. Not sure whether he actually did read the list of what the bag contained, was told by Baez and couldn't remember accurately, or whether he was spinning, so viewers would think it was still in the trunk and causing the smell to linger. As for the "evidence" he found and handed to LE, that could be anything - like a fibre on the driver's seat - nothing relevant, but it sounds good, don't it?

Rather ironic that he "found evidence and turned it over to OCSD."

This was something he DIDN'T do when he supposedly "found evidence" in the PS case. He was pretty much run out of town after the hearings wherein he denied having found evidence and didn't turn it over to law enforcement, even with an eyewitness to his actions.

This man has been working in forensics for all these decades and yet, now, we are supposed to believe that he cannot distinguish the odor of human decomposition from rotting food? After all those thousands of bodies and crime scenes that he has attended, he doesn't know the difference?

Can't wait till he gets run out of town on this case, too!

 

[whittymom4]

LP...........the FBI told him that the guy who does their polygraphs are on vacation. He went to CA and is considering a "pay=per=view"

The FBI only has ONE guy who does polygraphs?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The FBI only has ONE guy who does polygraphs?

That is what NG said, and he laughed and said he guesses so. He said they offered to send him to California to do it and LP said he could tape it and put it on pay for view to get some money for more searches and laughed. LOL

 

[Cara's Mom]

No kidding, is there any combination of food in the world that has ever rotted in your house or car by accident and the smell remained 5 months after it was removed?

Thats what I'm thinking too. No freakin way would a food odor remain for 5 months!

 

[Crabcake23]

It's so difficult to remember details anymore, but I thought at one time it was said that the pizza came from some local pizza joint, and it was not Pizza Hut.

I understood it to be Papa Johns, but I agree, details are starting to get fuzzy for me too. I ~think~ that one of her cell phone calls was to Papa Johns around June 16-19th. Somewhere in that time frame.

 

[shelbar53]

I'm totally not understanding this at all. Wasn't it stated that the car HAD been cleaned out? CA washed the clothes and the car had been cleaned up? No one ever said a word about frozen food boxes in the trunk. The Anthony's took the pizza bag/box out, correct? Why would they leave frozen food boxes behind? Someone, please straighten me out on this if you can. As far as decomp, GA recognized the smell and CA stated that it smelled like someone died in the damn trunk. No way Lee could get on the stand and lie about the decomp.

Human decomp is like no other smell. I was wondering what henry was going to say about that smell. He is the expert and he should know and every other expert knows that the smell is distinct. So now all of his peers knows he is a liar and can be bought. IMO

 

[LI_Mom]

NOW we know where all these rumors started - it was the Sentinel. You need to read Simon's actual statement to LE. He doesn't mention maggots, he doesn't mention Casey missing and then being found, he certainly doesn't say that George was totally silent.

From the Orlando Sentinel:

July 15, Tuesday. The car found abandoned is picked up by the Anthony family from the wrecker company. Simon Birch, manager at the wrecker yard, noticed the stench coming from the vehicle both on June 30 when it was originally towed, and when he brought it up to George Anthony. They left and he picked up the car several hours later. One tow lot employee overheard him say something to the effect of his daughter wouldn't let him see his granddaughter, and the tow guy who went to the car with him was told his daughter HAD been missing but his granddaughter was still missing. They get to the car, and open it and tow guy says it smells horrible…met with TOTAL silence from George. They opened the trunk and flies flew out and they find a bag of trash with some pizza and some maggots, etc.; the bag is thrown into the front of a dumpster at the tow yard, by the tow guy BUT it WAS collected into evidence from there George sees the gas gauge is on empty and says, oh, I have gas in my car. The only time we hear of the car being out of gas is from Casey's statement that it was pushed into the lot because it was out of gas. He puts in gas and leaves. George said the smell of decomposition was so bad they drove home with all the windows open.

There are 3 different men from the tow yard in that article, Birch (the manager) and 2 other employees.


The article doesn't say Birch went with George to get the car... did he or was it someone else?

 

[Chilly Willy]

The first or second statement?

I'm assuming the first since the article is dated July 15th. How did the Sentinel even get info that fast? That's odd. OH, nevermind, I see they are just referencing the 15th as the day the car was picked up.