Nancy Grace - Tuesday, 12/2/2008

[cyberborg]

Turbothink, I am a member of TES and have also exchanged emails with them.
I honestly am upset by what I heard Tim say tonight.

Got to say, tho, that I think the Anthony's are pretty confident that Caylee's burial location will not be found. I believe to the depths of my soul that George disposed of Caylee after he found what Casey had done to her. I believe that Casey just might not know where Caylee is buried. I do not believe that Caylee is even in Orange County. She may be down in Mt. Dora, or even in whichever county George's folks are in. And, I further believe that Caylee was transported to wherever she is on or around the time Lee was looking for her - he called her and said he was coming to get her. I think she was at a place where Brandon had come in and she got upset. I also believe that Cindy wrote her July 3rd epistle about missing Caylee right around that time and KNEW Caylee was deceased. You just do not write that sort of thing about Caylee coming into your life unexpectedly and leaving unexpectedly making it seem like a final goodbye. (birth and death) Arguments and uprisings with your daughter calms after a while. There would be no reason for her to write with what I feel is such finality and post it if matters would not eventually calm down.

Sorry for the long post, everyone. BBL

Great theory! July 3 does seem a significant date. CA's MySpace on Caylee missing does haunt me, it can just represent Caylee missing but it seems much much more than that. Also, the KC tears wrt Brandon were explained but make more sense if this is was when everything came out.

I struggle with the CA 911 call also but do concede that CA could've spun herself up into acting that out. The whole family communications with KC, KC coming and going, lack of seeking out KC/Caylee, belief in her fairy tales, etc for 31 days is hinky.

From being missing since June 16, July 3 is both just over 2 weeks afterwards -- a significant timeline to be missing with all these excuses -- you'd go after KC after more than one week for sure. Also, with July 4 and maybe an expection of a July 4 family holiday -- maybe CA was chasing KC down harder.

I still think GA lies and the last time he sees Caylee is the night of June 15 and the June 24 gas can story is an engineered story to throw LE off the scent. GA has put some things into the timeline and is a 'double agent' to me, both playing good cop with LE while playing bad cop to help KC.

GA is cracking and not good at it with the pressure but......

 

[buckeyefan1]

Does anyone remember what was the last thing LP was saying on the show. Sometimes, I have a hard time wrapping my head around what he is saying. I don't know if he is trying to get a lot said in a short time or what but I was totally lost. Help.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Great theory! July 3 does seem a significant date. CA's MySpace on Caylee missing does haunt me, it can just represent Caylee missing but it seems much much more than that. Also, the KC tears wrt Brandon were explained but make more sense if this is was when everything came out.

I struggle with the CA 911 call also but do concede that CA could've spun herself up into acting that out. The whole family communications with KC, KC coming and going, lack of seeking out KC/Caylee, belief in her fairy tales, etc for 31 days is hinky.

From being missing since June 16, July 3 is both just over 2 weeks afterwards -- a significant timeline to be missing with all these excuses -- you'd go after KC after more than one week for sure. Also, with July 4 and maybe an expection of a July 4 family holiday -- maybe CA was chasing KC down harder.

I still think GA lies and the last time he sees Caylee is the night of June 15 and the June 24 gas can story is an engineered story to throw LE off the scent. GA has put some things into the timeline and is a 'double agent' to me, both playing good cop with LE while playing bad cop to help KC.

GA is cracking and not good at it with the pressure but......

Thanks for the comment, Cyberbog.

George says he actually saw Casey about 12:50 PM on the afternoon of June 16th. And I do not believe he did!

Don't know why, but just feel that something is about to pop!

 

[amysmom]

I remember that but was it Texas? I don't think it was an originally planned search but a youngish guy, TM and another followed the car tracks, found the car and, his body was in the area. TM used it as an example of timely notification.

Hmmm!..It seems to me it was just days after TM left Orlando for NC to look for those 4 ppl & I thought he was even talking to her from there?..But I could be wrong.

All the details you stated definitely ring a bell so I think we're on the same page with that at least.

 

[kh1967]

Kooks!:clap:
Belle of the Ball!:sick:
I agree with the shrink that said the family is pathological and problematic! AMEN!!!

I think I really need to get away from this case for a while! The craziness of it is toxic!
Precious little Caylee. I can't imagine the turmoil and craziness she lived in for her very short time on this earth. So sad.
Oh, it is beyond sad!

Sweetmop, I feel your pain. I honestly dont believe that any award winning author would have ever been able to write such a disturbing/convuluted tale as this one.
I had to jump off the train for a while, because I can not fathom any more riduculous statements/developments from the A's. Somone needs to grab CA and GA, and tell them it is over, Kaylee is gone. And let them start the grieving process. I think the family has been disfunctional so long that they are brainwashed and live within thier own commune. It is unfortunate that the A's have no one to turn to for help (Close family or friends) to get them un-programmed.

 

[desertmom]

however, nancy did state that they were "keying up the tape" for that interview....at least that is what I thought I'd heard her say...
jmo

She did say that....and then never showed the video. Maybe she ran out of time? I kept waiting and waiting. Hopefully, we will see it tomorrow or someone has a link from some other media outlet. I am dying to see it!!

 

[kh1967]

Does anyone remember what was the last thing LP was saying on the show. Sometimes, I have a hard time wrapping my head around what he is saying. I don't know if he is trying to get a lot said in a short time or what but I was totally lost. Help.

I think he said something to the extent that when KC was home the first time from jail, that KC was treated like the belle of the ball and was cooking dinner and baking brownies for everyone. They were treating her with kit gloves and the atmosphere in the A's house was as if:furious: nothing had happened and that everything was good.

 

[cyberborg]

Hmmm!..It seems to me it was just days after TM left Orlando for NC to look for those 4 ppl & I thought he was even talking to her from there?..But I could be wrong.

All the details you stated definitely ring a bell so I think we're on the same page with that at least.

"The body of a 23-year-old Bryan man was found Tuesday afternoon after he was reported missing over the weekend and his vehicle was found on fire.

The Texas EquuSearch Mounted Search and Recovery Team officials said Brandon Rosales' body was found in Robertson County after more than 135 people volunteered to help with the search. "

http://www.theeagle.com/local/Missing-man-s-body-found

 

[Meagain]

I guess Tim Miller forgot his daughter was found around 1-1/2 YEARS after she went missing.

Question - where the heck are these audio or video tapes of Casey & family's jail meetings? Will we get those tomorrow maybe?

 

[100%Agave]

No one got a tag number. No one looked up a tag number to find out the plates didn't match the car. It is all BS! The A fam is so full of it now that it is coming apart at the seams and gushing all over the place. Someone needs to pull the BS handle on them and shut them up once and for all!! I wish OCSO or the FBI would just go ahead and arrest them on whatever charges they can find...Obstruction Of Justice, Lying to Investigators/FBI, or whatever they can come up with!!!

I know what you mean. Someone takes a picture of a little girl who looks (not in my opinion) like Caylee. Picture of some adults sitting around. Manages to get the plate number but no photo of the car, the plate, and the adults with the child. Did they run out of film or space on their sd card?

People never cease to amaze me but I don't think that anyone that is seriously out there and thinks they see Caylee would not get as many pics as possible of every thing they can, especially the people Caylee is supposedly with.

 

[cyberborg]

I know what you mean. Someone takes a picture of a little girl who looks (not in my opinion) like Caylee. Picture of some adults sitting around. Manages to get the plate number but no photo of the car, the plate, and the adults with the child. Did they run out of film or space on their sd card?

People never cease to amaze me but I don't think that anyone that is seriously out there and thinks they see Caylee would not get as many pics as possible of every thing they can, especially the people Caylee is supposedly with.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[impatientredhead]

I know what you mean. Someone takes a picture of a little girl who looks (not in my opinion) like Caylee. Picture of some adults sitting around. Manages to get the plate number but no photo of the car, the plate, and the adults with the child. Did they run out of film or space on their sd card?

People never cease to amaze me but I don't think that anyone that is seriously out there and thinks they see Caylee would not get as many pics as possible of every thing they can, especially the people Caylee is supposedly with.

Pictures would be my secondary concern. If I truly thought I saw Caylee or any other kidnapping victim I wouldn't leave the location until LE arrived on the scene. And if LE refused to come out (doubtful) but if they did I would call a reporter. Whatever it took. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I just snapped a pic and sent to a tipline trusting that someone would follow up somehow.

 

[cfromcanada]

Is it possible that Tim has a reason, maybe an inside source, for his opinion? Maybe the scaled down searches are for clothing, personal items but no longer for a body because someone from the FBI or LE whispered in his ear(as a phrase) that they have reason to believe the body is unrecoverable. Their (LE's) reaction to the search of the lake was odd and they, themselves are discouraging further searches for remains without bluntly saying it, but by attitude. Why would that be?

 

[distracted]

I hate thinking that's where she is at but would explain having a bag of TL's trash in hand. Theory only here but she took the bag out of TL...Checked if anyone was @...nobody @....switched a trash bag with Caylee in it when no one was @ her car....Quickly switched the 2 & carried the one w/Caylee to the dumpster...That way if TL r anyone seen her it didn't look suspicious if they seen her.:furious: I hated to type that but I also lean towards LP knowing a lot from the FBG & that is why the search in BP again. :waitasec:MOO

This might explain why there was a bag of trash in the car when they opened the trunk at the towing garage. OMG.

 

[100%Agave]

Pictures would be my secondary concern. If I truly thought I saw Caylee or any other kidnapping victim I wouldn't leave the location until LE arrived on the scene. And if LE refused to come out (doubtful) but if they did I would call a reporter. Whatever it took. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I just snapped a pic and sent to a tipline trusting that someone would follow up somehow.

I agree. You get on the phone to LE and while waiting you start snapping pics. If they start to leave, you get pics of them with Caylee, the car, the plate, everything that you can so that they can be traced.

If this is the way you would do it and I would do it and most everyone on this board would do it, then why are these so called tipsters not doing it?

The only thing that I can come up with is that they either weren't too sure about their sighting or they are running around getting pics of any child that even remotely resembles Caylee for the A's.

Speaking of the As. This is their missing grandchild, you would think that they could look at these pictures and rule them in or out pretty quickly, wouldn't you? Do they not know what she looks like? I have never seen her in anything but pictures and I can look at these sighting pictures and tell they aren't Caylee. What does that say about them?

 

[DotsEyes]

Maybe I am in a bad mood today, but I just got more sick of the A's today than ever before. Maybe it was due to the fact that we learned of a young boy held captive and tortured for the last year by kidnappers and then hear how the A's will not reveal information about Caylee because it will endanger her. Oh, that's right, Caylee has the NICE kidnappers.

I cannot think of anything bad enough to say about these people.

They are discussing that it is impossible to find Caylee now, she would be nothing but bones, if that and yakkity, yakkity, yakkity. Disgusting.

She was just a baby. Will no one honor her life by telling the truth about her death?

Too bad LE took that gun from GA. I think he had plans for KC and himself. An eye for an eye?

 

[Meagain]

cfromcanada - I have considered that. And I hope the theory is right because Tim sure is being negative especially during a time when the FL chapter is starting up. A chapter surely having it's beginnings due to Caylee. And Likely make up of people that would dearly love to find her. I would imagine this is discouraging to them.

Either way, I still have a bad taste in my mouth about it. Big Time.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Pictures would be my secondary concern. If I truly thought I saw Caylee or any other kidnapping victim I wouldn't leave the location until LE arrived on the scene. And if LE refused to come out (doubtful) but if they did I would call a reporter. Whatever it took. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that I just snapped a pic and sent to a tipline trusting that someone would follow up somehow.

Exactly!! There is mall security for starters. Start with them and let them deal with it first. They can call in LE if the people don't seem on the level.

 

[impatientredhead]

I agree. You get on the phone to LE and while waiting you start snapping pics. If they start to leave, you get pics of them with Caylee, the car, the plate, everything that you can so that they can be traced.

If this is the way you would do it and I would do it and most everyone on this board would do it, then why are these so called tipsters not doing it?

The only thing that I can come up with is that they either weren't too sure about their sighting or they are running around getting pics of any child that even remotely resembles Caylee for the A's.

Speaking of the As. This is their missing grandchild, you would think that they could look at these pictures and rule them in or out pretty quickly, wouldn't you? Do they not know what she looks like? I have never seen her in anything but pictures and I can look at these sighting pictures and tell they aren't Caylee. What does that say about them?

I think the tipsters could be:

a. imaginary

b. well intentioned but kind of know in the back of their minds it is not Caylee

c. not well intentioned and either like whatever level of attention and interaction calling in something like this would bring, or like to push peoples buttons

 

[Angel Who Cares]

This might explain why there was a bag of trash in the car when they opened the trunk at the towing garage. OMG.

Exactly my thought! :furious: