Nancy Grace - Tuesday, 12/2/2008

[TURBOTHINK]

ant family treats her with kid gloves, making dinner and brownies the day LP bailed K out of jail. acted like everything was fine! the one pycologist says the WHOLE FAMILY is problematic and she used another descriptive I can't remember.........

Friggin NUTS !!!

Makes you wonder WHAT KC has on all of them they don't want uncovered.

 

[Whisperer]

Don't know if she has anything on any of them or not, Turbo, but I think KC scares Cindy...and she doesn't admit it and never will.

There were never bondaries with either kc or CA. It sounded to me (by listening to the first jail tape) that CA was the daugher and was afraid of kc( the parent). She backed down and her voice dropped.. CA then tried to make it sound like she was "the mother" and added "Sweetheart" to her dialogue..... I got the distinct impression that kc was in control and CA got the message. She did not ask even one hardball question and I suspect she never did. She presently is in protect mode, which is the only role she knows.

Since no distinct roles were ever established in that household ,thus, Casey took over and created chaos among all of them. If CA gets out of control, then kc comes to her rescue and vice-versa. This game also is played out with CA and George.

It is a very sick co-dependent family. The enmeshment between the two women is down right frightening. The main thing she has over them is their fear of her.

 

[maconrich]

(respectfully snipped)So what about those people in N.C.? Does anyone involved with TES on here know?

I'm not with TES but I've not seen/heard/read anything that indicates any of the women have been found. Kelly has a thread in the Missing/Located Forum, but I don't think there's been anything in the papers about her since 11/23.

This is the list of who they came up here to search for:

Kelly Currin Morris, 28, is a mother of two who went missing from her Stem, N.C., home on Sept. 3, 2008.

Jamie Michelle Fraley, 22, was last seen on April 8, 2008, at her apartment on Lowell Bethesda Rd in Gastonia, North Carolina. She has not been seen or heard from since.

Mouy Tang, 45, was last seen on Sept. 3, 2008 (Cleveland County). She was living in an assisted living home for when she reportedly got up and walked away. Mouy is in need of her diabetic medicine, which she is supposed to take four times a day.

Jennifer Rivkin, 43, was last seen on May 4, 2008. Her car was found at The Winners Circle Bar and Grill (Gaston County) with her purse, drivers license and make-up bag in it.


ETA: The local papers did note that TES was going to help search for the women and gave the meeting places etc.

 

[mitzi]

Nancy said this tag biz makes NO sense & if it was one of her twins she's be camped out in front of the police station screaming bloody murder for them to find that car instead of planning a PA that NEVER comes..Love Nancy!

Nancy doesn't get how the A's acted like NOTHING was wrong while KA was in the home under house arrest..LP confirms she was treated like the 'Belle of the Ball'..They lived a 'Leave It To Beaver' lifestyle..Everyone on the panel agrees this is a family of KOOKS!

Great show tonight!

I think Nancy finally "gets it"! She hasn't said her usual "these are the poor grandparents" for about a week now. She has seen the light!

 

[essies]

I think Nancy finally "gets it"! She hasn't said her usual "these are the poor grandparents" for about a week now. She has seen the light!

I have always thought NG went easy on them in case they might possibly agree to visit since she sounded sympathetic. Now, with the new doc dumps , MN cutting and running, and the hinkyness involved with KF-I think she has turned the corner. There is no way she could play stupid to Cindy's insane blah, blah, blah!! I also think that this family has been covering up a sick family dynamic for so many years that CA is afraid of KC. I think KC has let CA know that if she goes down for this-then she's is going to spill her guts!! The little bit that KC told JG and AL is probably only the tip of the iceberg. Whether true or not-after all of this anything is possible. I think CA, GA, and LA are scared for their own butts now!!

 

[Dutchie Treat]

Boston: I think you may be onto something here. Does anyone know exactly and factually how KC got JB to represent her? He is not court appointed. We have heard some vague stories about her saying she had money for an retainer and about possibly someone "handing out cards" at the jail. Does anyone really know the truth? I wonder about the relationship. Perhaps someone SENT JB to her???

Another thing: I think KC's sociopathy and narcissism will prevent her from ever accepting a plea deal. She cannot and will not take any responsibility for Caylee's death. She'll keep on spinning stories until she dies. It's too bad but I don't think she has an ounce of moral fortitude in her.

I agree with the poster who said that GA and CA had already had 31 days to grieve. That may even explain some of their behaviour. Perhaps they have already put "that" behind them in a sense. Now they can focus on KC.

I can't even imagine what it must be like to know your own daughter that you produced together has turned out to be a monster. Guilt must be very heavy at the A's home. So why protect her? I stole some money from my mother when I was 17. My parents called the police on me and I sat in a jail cell for an entire day without even a newspaper to read. They didn't wait one hour, let alone 31 days. I learned my lesson. But then again, I'm not a sociopath.

I hope that something is found of Caylee's remains because it would indeed lock up this case and shut up the A's. It's just that little piece extra that LE needs...like whipped cream and a cherry...to sew this up. I hope the LP and others who have NOT given up the search find something soon.

Greetings from the Netherlands to all WS'ers.

 

[chesterp]

And he is still going to Aruba on trips to find her. I guess Orlando is not as enticing as Aruba. I never heard him even once say how much the Aruba trips cost him did you all? But I have never seen him on TV where he did not talk about the high cost with Caylee's case. I am getting a bad taste in my mouth about all of this with TES recently.

If I remember correctly about NH in Aruba he did state he spent over $300,000 on that search. I did follow that on the news years ago. I could be wrong on the amount but it was $100.000's of dollars...that is one reason he stopped the search and issues with the Aruban authorities. TES works on donations only..... he had boats, sonar and other special equipment that was needed for the water search. I remember watching Greta and she did explain all what was needed and used to search for NH's body. I remember the gas for the boats was so expensive................

 

[Patty G]

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[Dolphinmomcca]

I'm not with TES but I've not seen/heard/read anything that indicates any of the women have been found. Kelly has a thread in the Missing/Located Forum, but I don't think there's been anything in the papers about her since 11/23.

This is the list of who they came up here to search for:

Kelly Currin Morris, 28, is a mother of two who went missing from her Stem, N.C., home on Sept. 3, 2008.

Jamie Michelle Fraley, 22, was last seen on April 8, 2008, at her apartment on Lowell Bethesda Rd in Gastonia, North Carolina. She has not been seen or heard from since.

Mouy Tang, 45, was last seen on Sept. 3, 2008 (Cleveland County). She was living in an assisted living home for when she reportedly got up and walked away. Mouy is in need of her diabetic medicine, which she is supposed to take four times a day.

Jennifer Rivkin, 43, was last seen on May 4, 2008. Her car was found at The Winners Circle Bar and Grill (Gaston County) with her purse, drivers license and make-up bag in it.


ETA: The local papers did note that TES was going to help search for the women and gave the meeting places etc.

Very weird that all these woman went missing in the first week of the month they went missing. Probably nothing, but they are all missing between the 3rd and 8th of the month.

 

[Dr. Pennypacker]

I think all you have expressed is correct. I have said from the beginning I felt GA did do away with the body. The question was when and where.

I agree with Cindy's final goodbye to Caylee. It hit me the same way, not some note to KC to get her to bring her home. I believe she knew Caylee was gone when she wrote it.

Bingo!!!


We've got a winner!!!

 

[magnolia]

Turbothink, I am a member of TES and have also exchanged emails with them.
I honestly am upset by what I heard Tim say tonight.

Got to say, tho, that I think the Anthony's are pretty confident that Caylee's burial location will not be found. I believe to the depths of my soul that George disposed of Caylee after he found what Casey had done to her. I believe that Casey just might not know where Caylee is buried. I do not believe that Caylee is even in Orange County. She may be down in Mt. Dora, or even in whichever county George's folks are in. And, I further believe that Caylee was transported to wherever she is on or around the time Lee was looking for her - he called her and said he was coming to get her.

*Snipped*

I've shared your opinion on GA for quite awhile. I also believe reliving the disposal of Caylee is what actually made him become nauseous during the interview with LE. IMO

 

[juicedog23]

That one may not be too easy to find if it is where I believe it is. It is not in the ocean but on the Banana River in the game preserve (I think it is now called the conservation area)...anyway I have a place on Merritt Island and that area is off North Banana River Dr. and it is FULL of big gators. I would not walk around there or take my dog in there to search unless it was a small child and I had a rifle and a 44 mag.

They show gators in Orlando swimming around, the ones in Orlando look like babies compared to some of the ones in that area. There are some big old grand daddy gators there. I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams why anyone would be fishing that area unless he got lost or turned around on the river. It is narrow and all the good fishing is down South below 528. That is strange to me. It has always been said that is where the drug dealers drop off all their bodies for the gators.

Everything you said is correct. I grew up on N. Banana River Dr. and use to canoe in that area. I also was friends and went to high school with Shawn who is the missing boater.

 

[lizzybeth]

Remember the first time KC was in court and they called GA to the stand. KC started to cry (I hope I'm remembering this correctly). I wonder if it was because he did dispose of Caylee's body? All those years she talked bad about him and then he's the one to try and save her. I still think about CA mouthing 'there is no evidence' to KC.

Forgive me if I've remembered some of this incorrectly. I pop in and out to find out the latest and sometimes it's hard to distinguish what's truth and what's heresay or another one of the A's spin stories.

 

[Meagain]

I actually believe now that Casey would've or was going to spill early in the game.
I believe Cindy set her straight.

 

[LeLe1953]

Caylee's body may not be found, but her teeth and bones may be. For Tim to say anything like that is irresponsible. moo

Forgive me for responding so late, but I am in Germany & don't get the show & the updates are posted in the morning hours for me.

I don't think it is irresonsible to say her body will not be found but her bones or teeth may be. It's been awhile now, a body only last so long out in the elements. How many times do we hear of only bones being found years later?
B/t animals & wx, I don't think there is a body left.

 

[LeLe1953]

Agreed, bones, teeth, clothing, more tissue or DNA evidence in some area or another.
Come out and say that you are sorry, but your group can't find this person, but don;t say that they are unfindable. THere is no excuse for that.

If KC put Caylee in the dumpster I also don't think she is findable. Before all this time, maybe. Now, doubtful. That is not the fault of TES, it is KC's fault.

 

[LeLe1953]

I think he is trying to discourage LP from any more searches. I think it's time for Tim to shut up or so SOMETHING positive instead of just saying she will never be found. A good example is this 17 year old - he's in the system as being missing for a year.

Why read anything into Tim Miller's statement? I doubt he is trying to affect anything LP or anyone else want's to do. I think it is as simple as he is stating, he does not believe Caylee will ever be found. I don't think it's anything more or less. Take his statement at face value, he really does not think she will be found.
Why did KC park the car next to the dumpster? We all know she isn't about to go into the woods or get down & dirty ( with anything other than a man) If she put Caylee in the dumpster, given it was 31 days before it was reported, how much garbage do you think was added to the landfill. I realize they had found others in landfills but did this much time go by?

 

[tiredofthis]

I've shared your opinion on GA for quite awhile. I also believe reliving the disposal of Caylee is what actually made him become nauseous during the interview with LE. IMO

In the beginning I didn't think GA was involved, but I'm beginning to have doubts. Maybe he did move Caylee's body.

 

[concentric]

ohhhhh..i hear ya

i think the evidence will be so overwhelming that KC and the A family would look even worse when they wont come clean as soon as they see the evidence

when the evidence is so damning... you dont have much choice but to come clean

LE has all of their numbers

all of them

Excuse me if this is a dumb question:

Are the Ants convinced that there is a lack of evidence and it will end in mistrial?

And also, what do you think impatientredhead?

 

[alwaysonmymind]

I've shared your opinion on GA for quite awhile. I also believe reliving the disposal of Caylee is what actually made him become nauseous during the interview with LE. IMO

If GA did dispose of Caylee (hard to type that) then why would he repeatedly tell LE the car smelled of decomposition? These statements are very incriminating, imo.

Do you think he did it after he made these statements?