Nancy Grace - Zahra coverage

[Mountain_Kat]

Yes ... natural death due to an illness and desecration of a body (if true) are polar extremes. Even if you didn't want to notify authorities ... to resort to destroying the body can only lead to one conclusion ... a desperate need to cover-up something very bad.

To me, if desecration occurred then it is more likely that murder occurred ... it is a stretch to believe you'd take someone who died of natural causes and destroy the remains in the horrific manner suggested by EB.

There can be no connection between a 'Father' and his 'Daughter' ... shades of Casey Anthony and horrific images and nightmares of the change from being 'full of life' to being ... [censored]

BBM

BINGO!!! Let's say she did die of natural causes (I know, ridiculous, but bear with me), and let's say you were partly to blame for that due to negligence on your part. You freak and decide to hide the body. Seems to me you'd jump first to the notion of burying the body, or dumping the body, INTACT. Why dismember and run the risk of having all that blood evidence in your house? Unless, you were trying to hide some terrible truth that a whole body could readily reveal, if found intact.

MOO and Speculation, of course.

 

[bethiek]

To me, if desecration occurred then it is more likely that murder occurred ... it is a stretch to believe you'd take someone who died of natural causes and destroy the remains in the horrific manner suggested by EB.

I agree wholeheartedly with this. It just doesn't make sense!

 

[tlcya]

wow, we are really going round about bio mom's responsiblity (OR LACK THERE OF) for Zahra's death? Really?

Whatever the reason for her lack of involvement in Zahra's life, I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps she had some depression (PPD) - perhaps she felt pushed aside and unable to assert herself. Perhaps she just left Zahra with her BIOLOGICAL father, who should be just as vested in Zahra's care and well being as if she resided with here mum - right?

Would anyone be tearing this woman apart or adding to her burden if she were the bio dad? Were the roles reversed would this be an issue?

We have one and most probably two directly involved people we could potentially prosecute - correct?

I am sorry, this is just my own, but neither KB, nor ED was responsible for Zahra. If Adam didn't want to be responsible for her well being he certainly could have left her with mom (KB) or mum (ED). He did not. He made a choice to take Zahra halfway round the world to a new country, new life, new stepmother. He did that, not bio mum. She simply let Zahra's OTHER parent take the reigns.

When that man left the country he took responsiblility for his daughter. I do not pretend to know AB's level of involvement. What I do know is - his responsibiblity and EB's concern me.

Bio mum's does not. Nor does KB's.

I am interested in

1) LE finding Zahra.

2) LE and DA prosocuting the responsible parties

3) Zahra receiving a proper burial.

Maybe that's just me. But there you have it.

NG should be ashamed. I am really upset that, for lack of anything actually new or breaking, she resorted to this level of mudslinging to a woman who will spend the rest of her life woulda shoulda coulda ing.

 

[wenwe4]

I just have to say two things:
1) Zahra's bio-Mom gets BONUS points in my book for trying to ensure her baby girl was safe by placing her with her bio-Father, who was not experiencing PPD @ the time. This woman was clearly remorseful @ the news she has been hearing about her child. She didn't do anything wrong here - she was deceived and I do not fault her.
2) EB was "more afraid" that CPS would find out that they had in fact been neglecting and/or abusing Zahra than she was "afraid" of Zahra dying? (WTH???)
3) I am still wondering about the amount of weight EB has lost since the video back in May. If she wasn't eating much, I wonder if Zahra was eating well (as I assume Zahra was completely dependant upon EB to feed her regularly). Just some thoughts I have.

 

[lauriej]

..we have seen that the majority of the bounced chqs. were written to food stores.

Lengthy criminal records

ELISA ANNETTE BAKER:
Worthless checks:
Catawba County

• May 18, 2009: $64.88 to Fresh Air Galaxy
• May 13: $122.47 to Food Lion
• May 21: $136.49 to Bottom Dollar
• May 21: $158.04 to Food Lion

Total: $481.88
Caldwell County
* May 13, 2009: $70.48 to Food Lion
* May 16, 2009: $58.78 to Food Lion
* May 17, 2009: $72.87 to Food Lion
* May 30, 2009: $107.30 to Fair Value
* Feb. 18: $595 to MWS Enterprises for back rent
* May 14: $84.26 to Food Lion
Total: $988.69

ADAM T. BAKER:
Worthless checks:
Caldwell County

• May 11, 2009: $58.66 to Lowes Food Store
• May 11, 2009: $81.87 to Food Lion
• May 15, 2009: $63.40 to Food Lion
• May 20, 2009: $64.86 to Food Lion
• May 13: $110.62 to Food Lion

Total: $379.41

Baker also has outstanding warrants stemming from three worthless checks worth a combined $204.60. The checks were allegedly written at Catawba County Lowes Food Stores within a six-day span in May 2009.
Total worthless checks for both Bakers: $2,054.58

 

[ynotdivein]

Whatever one thinks or speculates about ED's lack of involvement with Zahra's upbringing, a few facts remain:

AB had control over that precious girl's life for about the last 8 years.

AB chose to pursue a relationship that brought him and his recently-very-ill daughter to the US to live with a woman he had met online, said woman having come to AUS to meet him in Real Life mere months before he married her there. Shortly after said marriage, he moved himself and his daughter to the US (as far as I am aware, he did this without ever having visited the US himself, to get a good sense of who this person EB was in her home environs).

AB is the one who started off his "my daughter has been abducted" call with "Hi, how are you?"--and then went through 8 minutes of describing his situation without once pleading for help from authorities.

AB is the one driving around in the truck with a sign saying Zahra was abused daily by EB. The only other living person who lived daily with both EB and Zahra is AB. How can he be sure of this abuse so much that he would broadcast it, yet be unable to see it happening under his very nose?

 

[cyberborg]

Whatever one thinks or speculates about ED's lack of involvement with Zahra's upbringing, a few facts remain:

AB had control over that precious girl's life for about the last 8 years.

AB chose to pursue a relationship that brought him and his recently-very-ill daughter to the US to live with a woman he had met online, said woman having come to AUS to meet him in Real Life mere months before he married her there. Shortly after said marriage, he moved himself and his daughter to the US (as far as I am aware, he did this without ever having visited the US himself, to get a good sense of who this person EB was in her home environs).

AB is the one who started off his "my daughter has been abducted" call with "Hi, how are you?"--and then went through 8 minutes of describing his situation without once pleading for help from authorities.

AB is the one driving around in the truck with a sign saying Zahra was abused daily by EB. The only other living person who lived daily with both EB and Zahra is AB. How can he be sure of this abuse so much that he would broadcast it, yet be unable to see it happening under his very nose?

To add to this ...

AB is both Zahra's bio father AND an adult who could have intervened at any time to put his daughters health and welfare ahead of her ultimate demise ... yet chose not to.

:waitasec: AB's posting of the abuse sign is self-preservation and self-image ... he didn't care at the time but now it is public knowledge ... he does because it reflects on him ... hmmmmm? :furious:

 

[Pondering Mind]

..we have seen that the majority of the bounced chqs. were written to food stores.

Lengthy criminal records

ELISA ANNETTE BAKER:
Worthless checks:
Catawba County

• May 18, 2009: $64.88 to Fresh Air Galaxy
• May 13: $122.47 to Food Lion
• May 21: $136.49 to Bottom Dollar
• May 21: $158.04 to Food Lion

Total: $481.88
Caldwell County
* May 13, 2009: $70.48 to Food Lion
* May 16, 2009: $58.78 to Food Lion
* May 17, 2009: $72.87 to Food Lion
* May 30, 2009: $107.30 to Fair Value
* Feb. 18: $595 to MWS Enterprises for back rent
* May 14: $84.26 to Food Lion
Total: $988.69

ADAM T. BAKER:
Worthless checks:
Caldwell County

• May 11, 2009: $58.66 to Lowes Food Store
• May 11, 2009: $81.87 to Food Lion
• May 15, 2009: $63.40 to Food Lion
• May 20, 2009: $64.86 to Food Lion
• May 13: $110.62 to Food Lion

Total: $379.41

Baker also has outstanding warrants stemming from three worthless checks worth a combined $204.60. The checks were allegedly written at Catawba County Lowes Food Stores within a six-day span in May 2009.
Total worthless checks for both Bakers: $2,054.58

Thanks for the breakdown of the checks! That's an awful lot of groceries in a short period of time during May. Some written on the same day at different stores tells me that most likely they were getting cash back..otherwise why not buy everything at once place and write one bad check? Between the 2 of them they wrote over $300.00 in 3 different checks in 3 different stores on May 13..

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thinking of things you might buy at grocery stores on a daily basis. Lessee...beer, cigarettes, bag of cheeto's, psuedophedrine for making meth...

*dons halo*

 

[Wise Old Owl]

NG: What do u do at trial?
Joe Lawless, atty: u argue reasonable doubt, that's all u can do

Using your post epiphany to speak to "reasonable doubt"

I am hoping and praying that LE got a piece of wall, or sink, or maybe even back door with a nice full fingerprint of either AB or EB in Zahra's blood. That would be enough "reasonable doubt" for me. IMO

 

[Carolina Girl]

I see two from Elisa?
May 143th Am I Blind?

 

[Lera213]

People! LOL, (sorry) don't you see what is going on? Nancy Grace's producers are striking a deal with EB or AB to talk on her show or provide letters or something. My guess is that one thing they wanted was for NG to stress a point and paint the bio mom as bad!

 

[pudd]

..we have seen that the majority of the bounced chqs. were written to food stores.

Lengthy criminal records

ELISA ANNETTE BAKER:
Worthless checks:
Catawba County

• May 18, 2009: $64.88 to Fresh Air Galaxy
• May 13: $122.47 to Food Lion
• May 21: $136.49 to Bottom Dollar
• May 21: $158.04 to Food Lion

Total: $481.88
Caldwell County

RSBM: these are all from last year (2009). Is there nothing more recent on the records? Off to have a look (unless someone beats me to it!).

 

[Lera213]

Money center in Wal Mart!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.walmart.com/cp/Check-Cashing/632047

 

[pudd]

I see two from Elisa?
May 143th Am I Blind?

May 13th, yep, 2 from EB, one from AB. In two different counties, but I'm surprised anyone ever let them pay by cheque!

 

[WhyaDuck?]

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[Texas Mist]

Tonite's show "New search for Zahra!"

 

[Texas Mist]

NG is just recapping what she's covered so far.

 

[panthera]

Good evening! :seeya:

"Cops find something new in woods? Key evidence?"

 

[panthera]

Bombshell tonight: cops swarm secret spot in woods! Zahra's bones?