AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Fargo]

Right, more DNA to find.

I missed part of yesterday, who owns the grey Range Rover, taken from the burger place?
How does the RR fit into yesterday’s raids?

Thanks in advance. jMO

Unknown. We only know about it because we watched it on the live stream. There was no commentary, no questioning of officials, no statement afterwards. They came, they saw, they towed. IMO

 

[submarine7]

Wholly irrelevant. The crime being investigated and basis for their investigation was kidnapping and murder, local charges.

Again, this is all explicitly covered in an appropriately-titled federal law.

JMO

Ok. I don't know much about that case. Interesting

 

[TarheelHeart]

Pool cleaning via CNN

They also addressed a pool maintenance crew that was seen at Guthrie’s home yesterday, saying it was “at the request of the Guthrie family.” The general manager of the pool company, Ken Kingan, told CNN it was the first time that the company had serviced Nancy Guthrie’s pool. The Pima County Sheriff’s Department was present at the house during the service.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/nancy-guthrie-news-updates-02-14-26

BBM

Just putting this here as I found it interesting. When we had an in-ground pool we used the same pool cleaners for years and it was always on the same day.

That’s just weird. Who thinks of getting their pool cleaned in the midst of a horrific crime at the location of the crime scene? I’m thinking something else was going on with this.

 

[SaraSmile]

Unknown. We only know about it because we watched it on the live stream. There was no commentary, no questioning of officials, no statement afterwards. They came, the saw, they towed. IMO

Haha!

 

[CandyKiss]

I have mixed feelings about this sketch.

Obviously, Lois Gibson is amazing, and has an preternatural ability to suss out the human face from almost nothing. She stated she saw the suspect as mid-30s to early 40s. But I feel like the video suspect is younger than portrayed in her sketch, maybe more 20s to early 30s.

Let me blithely contradict someone with decades of expertise here with my weak reasoning.

His movements seem fairly fluid and only slightly stiff, like someone who sits a lot but is young enough to not yet be so tight from the inactivity. Maybe a round of golf here and there.

Compare this to the footage of Michael McKee from the Tepe murder case. I could see he walked like a 35-45 year old (getting stiffer, foot splayed out - like looking in the mirror, minus the murder part).

We don't know if LE has the suspect's DNA. But if they do, and he's not in CODIS, he has not committed a felony in the U.S., and I believe he's a U.S. citizen. It rare to go from no serious criminal history to celebrity kidnapper without a few legal bumps along the way in 4 to 5 decades of life. And that's why I think he younger - and just ramping up.

Since he's not received the money, he's clearly not a criminal mastermind, but he could be a cybercrime wonk. Unfortunately, for him, the cybercrime smarts mean nothing if he wasn't savvy enough to expect to prove evidence of life. This points to the overconfidence of youth and failure to understand other people's needs and desires.

Now, let me make some more wild assumptions based on no facts, knowledge, or expertise whatsoever.

I think the suspect has a white collar job, maybe in tech, and doesn't live far from Nancy. He's from a wealthy family but is a loner. He may have some juvenile records (maybe peeping tom, harassment, stalking), but nothing major since becoming an adult.

He's not "a gun person" based on the holster positioning, or wants us to believe that. Either way, I think he googled his way to "Mexican carry" (which I know it is not; it's appendix carry) to hint at gang or cartel involvement as a racist disguise of sorts. It was entirely for show, but not to scare Nancy in her dark house, who couldn't see it, but for the camera.

I think he could be wearing a bit of makeup, maybe some eye liner, maybe some foundation, maybe fake facial hair.

Since he's a tech guy, he'd know that he'd eventually appear on video salvaged from the Nest backend. But he'd also know it'd take some legal legwork to recover it, which made the discovery feel authentic and like LE has the upper hand. But his little lantana show for the camera was planned. He's confident he won't be identified by video as he feels well out of LE's scope - he ain't no DoorDasher.

I don't think Nancy is alive. I believe she was intentionally attacked and killed the night she disappeared, and the guy who did it is truly sick, but you wouldn't know it if you met him. The suspect will cut his losses on the ransom before risking getting caught. He doesn't need the money. He just likes inflicting maximum pain. However, he does like the attention the spectacle has caused, and may wish to keep that going.

End of drivel.

If the ransom/kidnapping are the same person ... you’re describing someone that is power/control driven killer with narcissistic and possibly sadistic traits. He also wants to control the narrative after the fact with LE, likes the recognition … it’s about domination and superiority.

This breed of monster begins young with; as you’ve stated peeping tom, harassment, stalking and breaking into homes. They tend to live in the area, and as their skills and confidence increase so will their need to continue... and in time he will perfect the ransom side of the equation to prove his superiority.

 

[TheDinks]

ANYONE else find it strange that there are no organized searches? One lady who volunteers anywhere they are searching for
missing people including bodies can't believe there is nothing organized. I don't get it. Also I think LE does owe at least a press conf. every few days with update on things. I have never seen a crime like this with no press conferences.

I have said the same multiple times! I started watching coverage the first day BE got there (and others) no searching to be seen. Apparently there was day 1 but SN called it off fairly quickly.

Every broadcast I've watched interviewing former LE/FBI etc. they've all said this too...can't understand it!

I don't get. Having followed misspers for years, last place person known to be... there are searches spanning out. Then, within a relatively short time, local groups gather to search too. IMO people will have approached LE and asked if they could perform these and must've been told "no". I see no alternative.

 

[planet]

To me, it seemed passive-agressive. He said she might be found, 'in one hour, or weeks, months, or years."

As if he wanted to upset people without doing so openly. Passive-agressive.

I think there may be a fine line between being honest and being somewhat tactless. I personally appreciate his frankness. He has an incredibly difficult job, and he's under tremendous pressure and public scrutiny. That has got to be extremely challenging and exhausting.

I don't know what the solve rate is for abductions, but I suspect it's quite low. He's dealing with the high likelihood that either she died before she left the house or died shortly afterwards, and her body was left somewhere. This is a vast area with lots of places to leave a body. My opinion is that her body will never be found. I'm sorry to say that, because I know that many here are aching for her return.

If he suspects this, or in fact knows this, he's looking at years of unrewarding, dogged work, chasing thousands of leads. This is the rest of his career frankly and it will never leave him. His entire career will be judged, harshly, by the lack of results and failure to deliver an outcome people want. Who knows if he'll be able to identify suspects who can be prosecuted.

I'm sure it's not a case that he welcomed or wanted. It's not going be a positive outcome or a satisfying end to his career. It's going to be depressing and demoralizing for all.

 

[BenjaminJAndersonAlly]

I’m sure she thinks she’s helping but this was not commissioned or issued by officials and the public is going to see this sketch and run with it. They could easily overlook a good suspect because he (or she) doesn’t look like this sketch. It rubs me the wrong way.

I see your point, and I would feel similarly if it was just some random sketch artist, but I do trust Lois Gibson.

She just retired in 2021 after a 43 year career. She was with Houston PD.

Ms. Gibson holds the Guinness Book of World Records record for the most successful forensic sketch artist (1313 sketches per November 2025 article). Totally MOO.

The world's most successful forensic artist: How Lois Gibson's incredible sketches have helped solve thousands of crimes

As a Forensic artist for the Houston Police Department in Texas, Lois Gibson's visionary talent has helped to positively identify 751 criminals and secure over 1,000 convictions.

www.guinnessworldrecords.com

Nancy Guthrie: Unofficial suspect sketch from famed forensic artist | FOX 26 Houston

Houston forensic artist Lois Gibson has stepped out of retirement to create an unofficial sketch of the suspect believed to have kidnapped Nancy Guthrie.

www.fox26houston.com

Legendary Houston sketch artist ‘unretires’ for Nancy Guthrie case

A former Houston Police Department sketch artist, recognized by Guinness World Records as the most successful in her field, has volunteered her expertise to help identify a masked individual captured in the Nancy Guthrie video.

www.click2houston.com

Lois Gibson - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Woman attacked by killer becomes world's top criminal artist

Lois Gibson is officially the most successful forensic artist in the world - her composite artworks have led to 1,313 criminals being successfully identified. But her story is a harrowing one

www.irishstar.com

 

[Cedars]

ANYONE else find it strange that there are no organized searches? One lady who volunteers anywhere they are searching for missing people including bodies can't believe there is nothing organized. I don't get it. Also I think LE does owe at least a press conf. every few days with update on things. I have never seen a crime like this with no press conferences.

Since NG was taken away by car, there is no identified place to start a search. Complete waste of time and effort to randomly guess and start searching. If she is somewhere outside, she is much more likely to be found by a random member of the public: eg, recently, Melody Buzzard. Or, more famously, the McStays.

 

[Trino]

Same. He probably looks nothing like him.

ANYONE else find it strange that there are no organized searches? One lady who volunteers anywhere they are searching for missing people including bodies can't believe there is nothing organized. I don't get it. Also I think LE does owe at least a press conf. every few days with update on things. I have never seen a crime like this with no press conferences.

LE appears more concerned with locating the abductor than locating NG. Finding her is crucial; if alive, she is now off needed meds. Criminal will still be around.

 

[SMK777]

LE appears more concerned with locating the abductor than locating NG. Finding her is crucial; if alive, she is now off needed meds. Criminal will still be around.

I hope it's not because they presume she's deceased.

 

[Trino]

There are gangs along the border and many come from Mexico. It is what it is and doesn't have to imply anything else.

Do they have the sophistication to pull this crime off?

 

[Cedars]

To me, it seemed passive-agressive. He said she might be found, 'in one hour, or weeks, months, or years."

As if he wanted to upset people without doing so openly. Passive-agressive.

He lives and works in reality, he is not a character on reality TV.

 

[VenturaJen]

I am concerned everyone expects immediate results and resolution from LE and FBI… real life and forensic testing does not work that way. They could do better with daily pressers… but I would rather have them focus on tips, clues etc. than keeping me in the loop. JMO

 

[Trino]

Since NG was taken away by car, there is no identified place to start a search. Complete waste of time and effort to randomly guess and start searching. If she is somewhere outside, she is much more likely to be found by a random member of the public: eg, recently, Melody Buzzard. Or, more famously, the McStays.

How about asking people in Tucson to check their yards, storage sheds, parks, etc. This would be a start.

 

[wibbleflea]

Correct me if I am wrong. She was found missing by her family on Sunday FEBRUARY 1. Ransom note came in on the morning of FEBRUARY 3 to TMZ and a couple of other news outlets that were local. Perp was waiting for news to break. Attention was desired. IMO. he sure got it. SG had a stalker who wanted her attention. Involving TMZ, which is an entertainment outlet, just further cements it for me. JMO and i am sticking to it!

At least one local station received the note on Monday, 3 February, the day after NG went missing.

Sheriff says ransom note being investigated in disappearance of Nancy Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie's mother

The sheriff says the note was sent to a local Arizona news station, which agreed not to report on it, following the disappearance of "Today" show co-host Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie.

www.cbsnews.com

“The note, which the station received Monday and agreed not to report on […]”

 

[gin2]

That’s just weird. Who thinks of getting their pool cleaned in the midst of a horrific crime at the location of the crime scene? I’m thinking something else was going on with this.

I don't think keeping up with the regular pool maintenance is unusual at all.
It's either that or deal with an expensive big mess that can develop rather quickly.

 

[TheDinks]

fyi STS just going Live - interesting guest Dr Laura Pettler (experienced in staging among other criminology)

Always interesting perspectives given imo

 

[Officer Dibble]

I have said the same multiple times! I started watching coverage the first day BE got there (and others) no searching to be seen. Apparently there was day 1 but SN called it off fairly quickly.

Every broadcast I've watched interviewing former LE/FBI etc. they've all said this too...can't understand it!

I don't get. Having followed misspers for years, last place person known to be... there are searches spanning out. Then, within a relatively short time, local groups gather to search too. IMO people will have approached LE and asked if they could perform these and must've been told "no". I see no alternative.

even the well known UK Criminologist was on UK TV saying he was really confused by so many things.

 

[Napoli]

CCTV systems of all brands (at all levels) also record all motion even if you don't have an push alert to your phone configured (I am very familiar with 4K POE CCTV). I highly doubt hey just had a live system, they'd want to go back and see any falls or issues they likely would have missed if needed. I don't know if they had PTZ cams (pan-tilt-zoom) that rotate manually, but those too record motion alerts to a cloud storage w/o alerts (so they don't have to get home and go through hours of footage to check on their mom if she was in this or that room). If anyone installed the system it would surely be configured this way especially for the purpose of checking on an old lady. Most systems are defaulted this way and it makes no sense to neuter it to just a "live" viewing passive system.

Maybe the perp was stalking SG for sometime. He may even have had a job he purposely took to get inside NG's house. Hell, he could have even worked for a security company. Perp wanted to know everything about SG.. He was focused on everything SG, NBC, Instagram, every TV appearance. imo. Might have even installed cameras that he then knew how to evade and dismantle.. He forgot about the Nest or that it was no longer operable. IMO, the perp was not stupid. He has confounded the authorities and captured his prey. NOW, he has not received the ransom nor sufficient begging from SG and he is boxed in. IMO, he never really wanted the ransom. He is taunting SG.. In his mind, she has spurned him. JMO