AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Jade]

Apparently the found glove is different from the “searchers gloves”.

The DNA is visible then or how could they know; blood?



The FBI says investigators collected “approximately 16 gloves in various areas” near the Guthrie house, but most of them were searchers’ gloves discarded in various areas when they searched the area.

According to the FBI, the one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

SOURCE: Guthrie disappearance could be result of burglary attempt


all imo

 

[BellaToothless]

Possible reasons a burglar would take her away:
They realized she was the mom of a celeb and decided on the spur of the moment to kidnap her for ransom.
They killed her and did not want to leave evidence of murder.
She recognized them and they did not want to kill her but did not know what else to do besides take her away.
Their DNA or perhaps a bullet on or in the body would have incriminated them.
Taking them to an ATM, but this does not seem to have happened here.

Or it was a kidnapping to cover for intended murder. Throw them off scent.

 

[milkshakedonkey]

I think there may be some terminology issues with Dealer Plate (usually a permanent metal plate movable from vehicle to vehicle) vs Temporary Tag (usually paper and used following purchase). JMO based on the 8 states I've lived in.

The RR appears to have a temporary tag to me. However, I think it is not uncommon that they are mis-used by unethical dealers/individuals.

 

[cathathorse]

Is this just poorly written or does it sound like the SWAT raid from Friday night was of someone who was a worker on NG's home?

https://people.com/nancy-guthrie-relatives-not-believed-to-be-suspects-reports-11907226

"Nanos maintains that 'nobody,' has been cleared in the case, including workers at Guthrie's home, the people who were recently the subject of two separate SWAT raids."

 

[Tutter]

Agree. Pay the guy. It's a total risk but like you say what do they have to lose?

IMO you don’t reward bad behavior. All you get is more bad behavior. I believe there is zero chance this person knows anything. All they would get is no name or a false name. You can do that for free.

IMO

 

[investigatoroffacts]

Interesting view on things on the case:

This is interesting I like this map.

 

[Skigh]

Apparently the found glove is different from the “searchers gloves”.

The DNA is visible then or how could they know; blood?



The FBI says investigators collected “approximately 16 gloves in various areas” near the Guthrie house, but most of them were searchers’ gloves discarded in various areas when they searched the area.

According to the FBI, the one with the DNA profile recovered is different and appears to match the gloves of the subject in the surveillance video.

SOURCE: Guthrie disappearance could be result of burglary attempt


all imo

Maybe pollen from the plants which were used to cover the camera.

 

[oc1234]

For those of us (me) who who have not been following this quite as closely: are there any ransom letters or communications that are CONFIRMED to be from the kidnapper?

No, LE has not confirmed the legitimacy of any of the letters received by TMZ, etc. LE has stated they are aware and taking them seriously. (this was early on) and they also announced charges against a CA man who they determined sent the text hoax to the family.

 

[HoffaUnderground]

But he would know his DNA would be discovered then, correct? I only have gardening gloves, so I’m not familiar with that type of gloves.

Or maybe only took off outer gloves, but had to use his teeth to pull them off? or to remove the light from his mouth?

 

[SlimPickens]

Agree. Pay the guy. It's a total risk but like you say what do they have to lose?

It is a smallish amount for sure, and both the family and/or TMZ could absorb the relatively small risk. But what if they paid some 'last guy' who emailed and offered them info but he ghosted them and bought, say, a Range Rover two days prior to being raided by SWAT?

Not saying that's what happened, of course. Probably didn't. Only LE knows the finer details of why they wanted to talk to that man and process that car. But still.

JMO.

 

[Pharmasgirl]

"Them" "Mexico" Author of today's note/letter has a record of burglary from 10 years ago. Hmmmmm

I’ll bet he does…and more.

 

[SMK777]

FWIW, Documentary about a kidnapping for money case, the family was tortured by the various communications from the culprits, giving false hope for the safe return of their daughter.
The dirty dogs had already killed her though.

Kidnapping of Anabel Segura - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/81742747

From your link above:

Although Segura had been killed on the day of her abduction, Muñoz and Ortiz continued to contact her family in the subsequent months, demanding a large ransom in exchange for her supposed release. However, they never appeared at the agreed-upon meeting points to collect the money.[2] In June 1993, two months after the kidnapping, the perpetrators sent the family a tape recording of Felisa García, Muñoz's wife, impersonating Segura.[2]

 

[OldCop]

Didn't say anything whatsoever about a dealer plate being on the vehicle. One can plainly see that it has a paper tag. Fraud is rampant with paper tags. A criminal wouldn't prioritize getting a metal plate onto a car. They would probably just slap another paper tag onto it. Then sell the car. The new owner wouldn't always necessarily be issued a new metal plate right away because it takes a minute to transfer the title.

Thanks. I come from a state that doesn’t use temporary plates so I spoke from personal experience. I should have checked AZ dmv info before posting.

 

[jeff2034]

It is a smallish amount for sure, and both the family and/or TMZ could absorb the relatively small risk. But what if they paid some 'last guy' who emailed and offered them info but he ghosted them and bought, say, a Range Rover two days prior to being raided by SWAT?

Not saying that's what happened, of course. Probably didn't. Only LE knows the finer details of why they wanted that man and that car. But still.

JMO.

That is a good point. Remember that LE may be investigating multiple crimes at this point including: those related to the abduction of NG, one or more investigations regarding the multiple ransom notes, and the investigation regarding the person who demanded 100 K for information about who the kidnapper was.

 

[Eli9]

It is a smallish amount for sure, and both the family and/or TMZ could absorb the relatively small risk. But what if they paid some 'last guy' who emailed and offered them info but he ghosted them and bought, say, a Range Rover two days prior to being raided by SWAT?

Not saying that's what happened, of course. Probably didn't. Only LE knows the finer details of why they wanted to talk to that man and process that car. But still.

JMO.

I can understand the legalities surrounding the reward money and its' inability to be used towards this most presumably hoax letter. I do wonder if there is a legal reason prohibiting the G family or anyone else from paying the same dollar amount to this person who is clearly committing a crime by asking for it in exchange for information.

 

[Chimera]

Really excellent analysis IMO. 1 thing that popped out at me:

He noted it's not normal for a home invader to take 41min in the home. He said "it just doesn't happen". And his 2 reasons for why this might have happened was a botched invasion or the Perp was trying to cover forensic evidence. Earlier report below stated that an "anonymous source in LE" said that all of the cameras inside the house that were set up/pointing specifically to know if NG fell were able to be smashed before their motion was able to be visible in recordings/streams.

Source: Nancy Guthrie Abduction Points to 'Inside Job': Chilling New Theory Emerges Surrounding Masked Man Behind Disappearance of 'Today' Host Savannah's Mom

Also note previous LE report that "person was detected" on camera at 2:12? (Unknown whether it was an interior or exterior camera) LE also said it was unknown if it was a person or animal. I have cameras that lists it out like this. Sometimes correct sometimes not.

If true this would acct for the extra time. Would also make me question if this was an inside job (person familiar with the property interior to that extent). Lantana man just didn't seem to be in a hurry. At all. Did not move as though he was concerned about time.

Re the 2 known ransom notes from "the kidnapper" there always seemed to be 2 possibilities: 1. It was not from kidnapper or 2. It was from kidnapper but staged in that the ransom was not primary goal. I say this because it came late after kidnapping. Sent to a celebrity rag TMZ as well as 2 others? (Wants a celebrity stance). Could not offer proof of life or was never intending to. No known amping up of pressure on family after the 2. And why not leave the note if you're already in the home?

Thoughts?

Emphasis mine.
Good points made !

First bolded : I would like to know more from aol News, about this 'anonymous' source.
And as far as I know, this is the first time anyone has stated cameras were smashed.
All of this time it was thought they were disabled or the SD cards removed ?

Second bolded : I concur.
It's difficult to believe that we're this far into the tragic abduction, and still not any further forward than the beginning questions !!
Imo.

 

[slowpoke]

We also haven't heard if the unidentified NG house dna had a codis match. Maybe they don't have enough for a profile??? Did I miss this?

^snipped

“The sheriff said the DNA was collected from the crime scene the morning investigators processed Nancy Guthrie’s home but declined to specify whether it was found inside or outside the house. The DNA has not matched anyone in CODIS, the national database for people convicted of crimes.”

DNA found at Nancy Guthrie’s home not hers or close contacts: Sheriff

Authorities in Arizona have found DNA belonging to someone other than Nancy Guthrie or those in close contact with her on her property.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[Gunther Toody]

I think I read earlier in this thread that LE has stated without question that this is not a case of burglary gone wrong. That is unfortunate, because that is exactly what it looks like. In doing this they may be focusing on DNA of an alleged perpetrator and all the time it takes to get it, rather than the location of a medically compromised 84 yr. old woman, who must be in dire straits physically at this point.

I hope this is just a cover up ruse by police and they are actually examining the burglary aspect, or precious time will be wasted.

If this was a bungled burglary by a non-professional, he will have panicked and likely separated himself from her as quickly as possible. I hope there are search teams combing the desert with drones, FLIR, and SAR teams.

 

[oc1234]

I’m replying to myself here to bring up this tweet again where the former police lieutenant suggests the suspect was wearing body armor. I haven’t heard that mentioned anywhere else and I have a hard time seeing it. What do you all think? Just another guy giving his opinion?

Is it possible this appearance was more altered than we believe?

I could see how one would think this upon 1st seeing lantana man but I think its only because he moves so stiffly and awkward. I just think he isn't naturally athletic or flexible. When he bends down for the lantana it is so awkward because his left leg is straight and slightly in front of him (from my memory). Bend your knee dude because you are struggling with your flexibility to reach the lantana. (He may also be trying to balance the pack on his pack and prevent it from swinging as he isn't using the chest or waist strap. He is simply awkward.

 

[dotr]

This is interesting I like this map.

Nancy Guthrie disappearance: Map of abductor's potential escape routes - Google Search