• #32,561
I can’t even imagine being pissed that the police are looking for a missing woman. WTH is wrong with people?
nah if the fbi raid my home for a crime i didn't do and ruined my property (rio rico they did, idk about this house) i'd be annoyed too. not to mention the media stalking their house out now. I can understand the frustration.

i doubt they're mad because "police are looking for a missing woman"
 
  • #32,562
There are plenty of 'would be" criminals. And plenty of trespassers, that's for sure. Really creepy.
The Sheriff needs to take a hard line on that and get the lookie-loo's off that private property. So disrespectful.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #32,563
I can’t even imagine being pissed that the police are looking for a missing woman. WTH is wrong with people?
lol. I’d be pissed if police did that to me. That’s traumatizing.
 
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None of these other crimes posted from the Ring app were “in the area” at all. They were miles away in a way worse, more dense part of Tucson. Where Nancy lives is a very nice, affluent neighborhood with very low crime. this is all completely my own opinion and experience from living all over the city of Tucson.
1.5 miles away is in the area IMHO .. that is just a slight walk I walk one mile every day in my mall ... it's not a long walk at all.
 
  • #32,565
Could Nancy’s blood have been from a stress nosebleed, rather than a deliberate injury?
I know children can bleed profusely due to spontaneous nosebleeds, but haven’t actually heard of elderly people suffering from similar.
that’s sorta what i’m thinking. the blood isn’t smattered about, it’s circular-ish droplets which imo means she had her head tilted down. maybe she was being carried, idk. of course moo and going off what we know currently!
 
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In my opinion they got the results back but are telling the public otherwise to give a potential suspect a false sense of security. JMO

I think there was a partial match and they were awaiting confirmation of an official match yesterday.

You might be right and that would explain the Sheriff publicly clearing the family today.
 
  • #32,568
Very creepy. And perhaps more normal than we think in a rich American neighborhood. JMO
My friend's still on the job have a saying about upscale neighborhoods : "It's where the bad guys shop."

Working class neighborhoods get more of the petty stuff, tweakers grabbing tools to pawn for a fix, and high crime neighborhoods, well usually only trap houses or someone who comes into a stack of cash gets hit.

Upscale neighborhoods with elderly populations (jewelry, cash) in secluded, wooded, spaced out estate style living is prime shopping ground. And workers and cleaning ladies are sometimes contacts for a tip after casing a house.
 
  • #32,569
I wonder if the reason LE thinks the person is local is because NG recognized and man and he decided that she would turn him in if he left without her. Why else would you take a barely mobile older person with you?
 
  • #32,570
nah if the fbi raid my home for a crime i didn't do and ruined my property (rio rico they did, idk about this house) i'd be annoyed too. not to mention the media stalking their house out now. I can understand the frustration.

i doubt they're mad because "police are looking for a missing woman"
Tucson is a large “small town” and there is a high likelihood the owner of that car knew of Nancy around town. MOO of course.
 
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Oh, I agree. Those closest to a victim know they have to be looked at. But the SIL faced harsh scrutiny from the press, forums and social media, IMO. Ashleigh Banfield called him out as guilty from jump. That’s a whole different ball of wax, IMO.

I don't know a case where this same thing doesn't happen to the people closest to the victim. Yes, it sucks. But if I am a family member of a crime victim such as this - do what you have to do to clear me and get me out of the way - so you can move on to the real perps. The Sheriff added fuel to the fire by continuously saying they were NOT cleared until just hours ago., so no that did not help. IMO.

I don't recall AB calling him "guilty," but I may have missed it. I thought she was relaying what her "source" told her. (Not that I agreed with that either) But I never heard her come out and say he was guilty.

MOO>
 
  • #32,573
Wow! I've never seen Tomorrowland, but that is interesting. Especially since in SG's first video, she ended with a quote from The Silence of the Lambs.
How could Savannah and her team know what movie quotes were meaningful to a stranger/kidnapper?
 
  • #32,574
Sounds like a big Cartel-backed kidnapping ring casing houses in a rich American neighborhood.
I'm nowhere near the border but these streets are full of creepers too. They are everywhere but they are generally not trying to enter your own when you're in it. Scary but not nightmare fuel. However, people wearing full face masks with guns visible are not everywhere and should be viewed as incredibly dangerous.Two very different types of criminals.
 
  • #32,575
Jonny Grusing worked in the FBI’s Denver Division for 25 years, investigating violent crimes, missing persons, serial killers and more. He coordinated the behavior analysis unit for the division for 13 of those years.

Grusing said he believes the FBI is likely behind Savannah Guthrie’s messaging. Since Nancy Guthrie went messing, several related videos have been posted to the TV anchor’s Instagram page. She personally delivered messages in three of them: the first directed towards a suspect in what Grusing described as an attempt to humanize her mom, the second, a plea to bystanders to come forward with information, and Sunday night’s video.

Grusing does not believe the suspect in the Nancy Guthrie case is a sophisticated criminal, and believes that Savannah Guthrie’s Sunday message was coached by FBI profilers with that in mind to try to get the suspect to turn himself in.

“I think he got in way over his head with whatever happened with Nancy, and they’re hoping that he is panicking enough since his family and friends haven’t turned him in,” said Grusing. “They’re appealing to him directly, like, ‘Look, guy, this is not going away, you just need to summon up the courage in any humanity you have left and do it.’”

Drawing on his decades of experience, Grusing noted the signs of the suspect’s amateurishness. The suspect, who was already masked, kept turning his head away from the doorbell camera, and even attempted to obscure the camera’s view with brush pulled from a front garden.

“If you look at him and the awkwardness of this guy walking up there, this guy is not a professional,” Grusing said. “So I don’t think whatever happened in the house is what he intended to happen. What I would say is that he didn’t plan for this sort of news coverage, for this sort of intense searching, for the FBI to come in and for this to be going on two weeks later.”

He also told Fox News Digital that no matter how long the investigation takes, the FBI and the Pima County Sheriff’s Department are committed to seeing through, and that it’s only a matter of time before the suspect is taken into custody.

“He’s going to be arrested. At one point, he’s going to get turned in, something’s going to break. So the SWAT team is going to come through his door, and I think that’s what they’re saying. Even if it’s not [an appeal to] his humanity, he needs to get the courage to turn himself in and be proactive with this.”
 
  • #32,576
How could Savannah and her team know what movie quotes were meaningful to a stranger/kidnapper?
I don't know, but it bugs me, I do hope there is some smart strategy to it. jmo
 
  • #32,577
I wonder if the reason LE thinks the person is local is because NG recognized and man and he decided that she would turn him in if he left without her. Why else would you take a barely mobile older person with you?
BBM. Ran$$$$$$om, and to hide evidence

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
  • #32,578
1.5 miles away is in the area IMHO .. that is just a slight walk I walk one mile every day in my mall ... it's not a long walk at all.
I have not seen any closer than 5 miles away (link below). Which was 1.5 mile away? Obviously that would be close, same neighborhood even, depending on the direction. Jmo

 
  • #32,579
In the Adelson case, LE employed the "tickling the wire" technique when the guy approached DA on the street and passed off the note about his family member needing more payment for the murder (my words) and DA went home and called CA who called KM who called SG etc. It put all the conspirators together in order of how things were carried out. I think they are tickling the wire here.
Absolutely agree.
 
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Jason Pack, a former FBI special agent and crisis negotiator, spoke with the Daily Mail about the use of "celebrate" in Savannah's speech and what the one-word phrase means in the context of negotiations and ransoms. "The word 'celebrate' stood out to me immediately. Savannah didn't say 'surrender her' or 'give her back.' She said return her so we can 'celebrate'. That's the language of resolution, not confrontation. In any negotiation, you want to offer the other party a way to see this ending positively and peacefully for them too," Pack explained. It comes after an expert revealed a chilling truth that the kidnapper is "known to the family."
 

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