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the 40 minutes or so inside the home…my heart goes out to Nancy Guthrie…

The over 60’s age group has been increasing in #s, especially the past few years. And therefore crime(s) targeting the elderly too
Rape, sexual assault, etc too.
I am sure LE is investigating any and all angles

Sending good karma to her and her family/friends. As well as all of you fellow “websleuthers”. Hoping answers come sooner than later
 
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Yes, but sometimes the suspect stays put and is visible but still not found, as in Richard Allen. Could be the same case here, IMO.
Yeah I wouldn’t be surprised one bit.

Maybe this case will also have to be solved by someone calling in and admitting they were at the scene of the crime.
 
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We have two very different ideas of how this occurred but at this stage we don't know.

I didn't see it as somebody inserting them self into the situation, I imagined AG walking next door and saying, "Have you seen my mom?" and then returning home to eventually phone police. Early on, my guess is that people assumed she wandered off, including the neighbor. I imagined the neighbor thought it was a good idea because they viewed her as not well enough to manage on her own.
There was blood. AG didnt saunter next door. JMO
 
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The search to locate Nancy Guthrie's kidnapper is being looked at through a new lens ... it's not about tips or what we've seen of the abductor on camera ... it's about finding someone who fits that description -- who has been missing for 3 weeks.
Ariel Castro went to work everyday for 10+ years
 
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I'm old, and I've always been a night owl. I don't pick up steam until the evening.
sadly this is me, and only since I started working in nursing in my 30's. Now close to middle age and I'm the same. OT I know
 
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Ummm Well we haven’t been able to find him so we assume he’s hiding….Does not envoke a high level of confidence imo
They are probably looking in the wrong country. That might be why helicopters, searchers and signal sniffers can't find her.
 
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FGJE aclara: sin petición oficial para buscar a Nancy Guthrie

In a nutshell, the Sonoran District Attorney's office, per this article, has not received a formal request for assistance from either the FBI or the federal Mexican authorities in the search for Nancy Guthrie.

A group called Madres Buscadoras de Sonora (Seeking Mothers of Sonora) is conducting an appeal for information in the case.
 
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Maybe this case will also have to be solved by someone calling in and admitting they were at the scene of the crime.
I highly doubt that.
 
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QMOP.

Elaborating on this general theory, it may not have been a delusional stalker at all if the Google searches of SG's salary and NG's home were real and were done by the suspect. I could also see a relatively local white collar suspect, or more apt a local suspect who leveraged heavily and lived a 'wannabe' white collar lifestyle, planning and executing the heist with solely a financial goal and his lifestyle continuity in mind. I hope LE is considering this angle if they don't already have a motive and/or someone in mind. After all, there is an obvious level of intelligence and sophistication in the planning and commission of this crime, but with a suspect who perhaps wouldn't account for all variables in its commission. Namely, that a 84 year old lady might have a pacemaker and might have medications she would need to survive his plan long enough to return her unharmed.

Another 'desperation' motive to consider, but with less selfish motives, would be a man with a sick/dying spouse/child who committed the act in much the same way and with much the same motive (financial) and much the same deficiencies in terms of victim planning, in order to have the funds to pay for X or Y or Z treatment, etc. I would be looking at any of these situations locally as well if they haven't already honed in on motive/suspect.

Reason I say suspect would likely be relatively local in these situations is because SG and NG would be famous enough locally to give the impression of vast wealth. Probably top of the food chain in Tucson, in other words. Otherwise a suspect would probably choose someone else somewhere else.

ETA - Not 5 million, not 10 million, not 20 million, but 6 million. That's pretty specific and seemingly with an intention not to bankrupt SG/NG by asking for the moon. Did he calculate what he needed?

JMO.
Maybe they ARE from Mexico and was specifically looking for a target based on proximity to their escape route back to Mexico, the person's living situation and wealth.
 
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Ummm Well we haven’t been able to find him so we assume he’s hiding….Does not envoke a high level of confidence imo

The search to locate Nancy Guthrie's kidnapper is being looked at through a new lens ... it's not about tips or what we've seen of the abductor on camera ... it's about finding someone who fits that description -- who has been missing for 3 weeks.
That's assuming it's a kidnapper and NG is not deceased and disposed of early on, maybe even that night(so the "kidnapper" would go back to his daily).

And those are still big assumptions given this case still hasn't had an official crime filed with it, it's still a missing persons.

To add to that IF it was a kidnapping, most are done with more than one person so there's many plausible reasons to have a random caretaker tucked away somewhere, someone who does not have ties and not be noticed, the Mexico angle, etc. etc. It's not like some 9 to 5er who suddenly misses work and family dinners cause they're babysitting a kidnapped person.
 
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Ariel Castro went to work everyday for 10+ years
That's a good point. However, I do think it's still something to put in the public's mind because I'm sure that some people who've just committed this type of crime will be thrown off their usual game. I guess it's worth putting it out there.

It is interesting, though: I think there have been many cases wherein the perp simply continues about his daily business. The Green River Killer comes to mind. He killed many, many young women (raping them first) then dumping their bodies. He lived with his wife who, apparently, didn't suspect anything. (?) Anyway, this went on for years and years. There wasn't anything in his daily life that signaled anyone around him that he was spending copious amounts of time stalking, raping, killing and, subsequently, dumping young women. (Well, I'm not sure about the wife, but who would stay with such a man? If one knew he was doing this, wouldn't you be afraid you might be the next victim??)
 
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That's a good point. However, I do think it's still something to put in the public's mind because I'm sure that some people who've just committed this type of crime will be thrown off their usual game. I guess it's worth putting it out there.

It is interesting, though: I think there have been many cases wherein the perp simply continues about his daily business. The Green River Killer comes to mind. He killed many, many young women (raping them first) then dumping their bodies. He lived with his wife who, apparently, didn't suspect anything. (?) Anyway, this went on for years and years. There wasn't anything in his daily life that signaled anyone around him that he was spending copious amounts of time stalking, raping, killing and, subsequently, dumping young women. (Well, I'm not sure about the wife, but who would stay with such a man? If one knew he was doing this, wouldn't you be afraid you might be the next victim??)
GRK was a diagnosed psychopath (I believe) and he beat lie detector tests so it makes sense with him.
 
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This was all staged, why on earth would someone want to go in the front door, I think that they deliberately let themselves be on camera to make us think it was some psycho, probably paid for his acting by the real culprit. They could have gone in the back, and why carry someone out of the front door when you can take them out of the garage door and put them straight into the car.
I've never understood the front door. Was it found to be locked, do we know? You'd think they'd take her out the door they entered, and park there too to collect her. All unseen by the front door camera.
 
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GRK was a diagnosed psychopath (I believe) and he beat lie detector tests so it makes sense with him.
Yes, awful! Even more awful: He was interviewed several times by LE.

I do think that in the case of Nancy, who may still be alive (even though that likelihood dwindles with each day, I think we have to go on that assumption until we know otherwise) I'm glad they're throwing everything at this case, even if some of it seems to be late in the game.
 
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That's a good point. However, I do think it's still something to put in the public's mind because I'm sure that some people who've just committed this type of crime will be thrown off their usual game. I guess it's worth putting it out there.

It is interesting, though: I think there have been many cases wherein the perp simply continues about his daily business. The Green River Killer comes to mind. He killed many, many young women (raping them first) then dumping their bodies. He lived with his wife who, apparently, didn't suspect anything. (?) Anyway, this went on for years and years. There wasn't anything in his daily life that signaled anyone around him that he was spending copious amounts of time stalking, raping, killing and, subsequently, dumping young women. (Well, I'm not sure about the wife, but who would stay with such a man? If one knew he was doing this, wouldn't you be afraid you might be the next victim??)
Very good points, and I didn't mean it to come off as not something I don't believe in. I think that it is a very good way to attack it. Bryan Kohberger's sisters suspected him. For those with the lone perp theory in this case, you made good points about GRK, and they are masters at keeping it to themselves. Delphi, Jake Patterson, heck I'll even go as far back as Gacy and Dahmer. Just crazy how they can get away with these things in pain sight.
 
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